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PoppaJo 8th Jul 2021 04:26

The PM just slip something much harder is coming for Sydney. Go Hard Gladys and let’s get it over and done with. Stop believing your people will do the right thing.

blubak 8th Jul 2021 08:27


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11075130)
The PM just slip something much harder is coming for Sydney. Go Hard Gladys and let’s get it over and done with. Stop believing your people will do the right thing.

I just listened to her news confetence from earlier today,many dont believe covid is real & that of course is an entitlement of every person however for the sake of everyone(believers or conspiracy theorists) isnt it now time to do as she asks & comply for the sake & best outcome of everyone.
She will be blasted for going harder next week by many yet on the other hand she is being ridiculed right now by the people she is trying to appease & those are the ones using any excuse to live completely as normal.
I dont live in nsw & last year i was jealous of all the freedom they had but for anyone who thinks a long lockdown is not a reality,think again,you do not want to be part of it,just comply & think of everyone-not just yourself.

mattyj 8th Jul 2021 10:01

“Just comply”


listen to yourself :yuk:

SOPS 8th Jul 2021 10:49


Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 11075262)
“Just comply”


listen to yourself :yuk:

And what do you suggest, Matty?

Mafortion 8th Jul 2021 15:22


Originally Posted by Fonz121 (Post 11075051)
Deadly serious. If you are motivated and don't believe everything Jeanette Young tells you, then you can book in right now for a vaccine. I did and I'm definitely on the younger side.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c2bcac3f80.jpg

The information from that clinic is not exactly true. Evidence suggests that having an AstraZeneca shot, followed by Pfizer, provides a stronger response than two AstraZeneca doses.

dirtyd 8th Jul 2021 15:32


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11075281)
And what do you suggest, Matty?

As long as there is covid there is no answer to suggest.
The borders will remain closed until covid is eradicated like smallpox.
Asking when borders will reopen is like listening to a child asking if we are there yet every 30 seconds.
Are you really that much worse off than you were 16 months ago?
It would be such a shame if covid entered the country now after so much sacrifice so until it’s stamped out and no one can be infected, borders will be shut.

aviation_enthus 8th Jul 2021 20:05


Originally Posted by dirtyd (Post 11075437)
As long as there is covid there is no answer to suggest.
The borders will remain closed until covid is eradicated like smallpox.
Asking when borders will reopen is like listening to a child asking if we are there yet every 30 seconds.
Are you really that much worse off than you were 16 months ago?
It would be such a shame if covid entered the country now after so much sacrifice so until it’s stamped out and no one can be infected, borders will be shut.

Eradicated? Hahahaha! Oh dear that was a good laugh.

No other country on earth expects it to be eradicated.

“The first smallpox immunization was created by Edward Jenner in 1796. But it took more than 200 years and a worldwide vaccination program to eradicate the disease”

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www....-smallpox.html


Green.Dot 8th Jul 2021 21:10

‘Straya to get 1 million Pfizer doses a week from July 19.

Hang in there, ignore the nay-sayers, guaranteed* the game should change in a very good way soon enough.

*a guarantee is not a guarantee.




MickG0105 8th Jul 2021 22:18


Originally Posted by Mafortion (Post 11075431)
The information from that clinic is not exactly true. Evidence suggests that having an AstraZeneca shot, followed by Pfizer, provides a stronger response than two AstraZeneca doses.

You need to be mindful of the fact that the recently published Com-COV Study notes that the increased reactogenicity seen in the Az-Pfizer group when compared to the Az-Az group may be related to the prime-boost interval of only 28 days for both groups. The recommended interval for Az-Az is 84 days. The study group will be publishing the results for the recommended 84 day interval Az-Az group once they are to hand.

You're correct though in that the study shows that, on the face of it, you can mix vaccines. All the usual caveats for short-term, small group (463 adults ≥ 50 years) studies applies though. This was not the equivalent of a Phase III trial.

mattyj 8th Jul 2021 22:21

Great Britain has something like 85% vaccination rate and a 600% increase in Covid cases in the last month..and giving up on mitigation. Hopefully their British version of the vaccine is keeping hospitalisations down but eradication will never happen..NEVER

MickG0105 8th Jul 2021 22:39


Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 11075603)
Great Britain has something like 85% vaccination rate and a 600% increase in Covid cases in the last month..

I don't know where you get 85 percent from; as of two days ago the UK had 51.1 percent of the population fully vaccinated (68.3 percent had received at least one shot).

For the month of June the three day moving average of new cases actually rose by nearly 700 percent, from 3,262 to 22,700. Deaths, which should lag new cases by about 14 days, are also starting to tick up - up by about 500 percent for the month off a very low base of 3.

mattyj 8th Jul 2021 23:20

Oh yeah it’s not the whole of uk..just England 1 shot

Foxxster 9th Jul 2021 00:41

Attempted suicide rates among Victorian teenagers have skyrocketed by 184 per cent in the past six months.

Disturbing new data from the Kids Helpline revealed the shocking statistic after Victoria was plunged into its fourth major Covid-19 lockdown in the past 12 months.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...4750a0391b0653

Lead Balloon 9th Jul 2021 01:00

But all that and more is a price 'worth' paying, surely? All the economic numbers are great. Everyone should be 'living it up in lockdown' and relishing the increasing price of their home. And think of all the lives saved from C-19.

The end of the beginning of the response to the pandemic in Australia will come when an increasingly frustrated, desperate and disillusioned population finally says: "F*ck it. We're over this and we'll do what we want and you can fine and lock us up for as long as you like." I know people who've said they'd rather die than lose the business they've spent a lifetime building (including employing many people).

Sooner or later, someone's gonna have to put a price on the response and justify why that's worth paying in return for the lives saved from C-19. That price includes the increased suicides.

Hopefully it won't come to widespread refusal to comply. But what's the plan if the goals start overflowing with people who do refuse and burn their PINs?

Let's hope that Scotty from Marketing's announcement about millions of doses of Phyzer hitting the shores soon will overcome vaccine hesitancy and result in vaccination rates that he should have been facilitating around a year ago (along with proper quarantine facilities), and relaxation of restrictions.

PoppaJo 9th Jul 2021 01:24

Right Ok, see you in 6 months Sydney.

MickG0105 9th Jul 2021 02:04


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11075638)
Attempted suicide rates among Victorian teenagers have skyrocketed by 184 per cent in the past six months.

Disturbing new data from the Kids Helpline revealed the shocking statistic after Victoria was plunged into its fourth major Covid-19 lockdown in the past 12 months.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...4750a0391b0653

As is pretty typical these days when you find the primary source reporting you'll see that it does not match the subsequent secondary reporting in the media.

There most assuredly has not been a 184 percent increase in attempted suicide rates among Victorian teenagers at all. The 184 percent increase in Victoria was for 'duty of care interventions enacted by Kids Helpline on behalf of children and young people'. For starters, 'children and young people' is not just teenagers; it covers those aged between 5-25. As noted in the primary report, '75% of emergency interventions were for young people aged 13-18'.

Further 'duty of care interventions' includes but is not limited to emergency interventions relating to child abuse (these made up 31 percent of the interventions in Victoria) as well as interventions in response to an immediate intent to enact suicide (44 percent).

What the primary reporting does show is that there is a disparity between Victoria, and Queensland and New South Wales, with regards to the increase in duty of care interventions enacted over the six months from 1 December 2020 – 31 May 2021. During the six months covered Victoria had two lockdowns, their third and fourth, between 12-17 February and 27 May - 10 June (note that this lockdown just fell into the reporting period so its impact would be questionable). During the same period Queensland also had two shorter lockdowns, their second and third, between 8-11 January and 29 March - 1 April. New South Wales had no lockdowns during the period covered by the report but saw a not dissimilar increase in duty of care interventions to Queensland, up by 40 percent compared to Queensland's 46 percent increase.

Sitting below the reporting is of course the data and we don't seem to have access to that. A persistent concern with the Kids Helpline data is that they have a very low Call Answer Rate, typically less than 50 percent. When doing any form of comparative analysis on a state-by-state basis you would want to be satisfied that there wasn't biasing in the calls answered/abandoned by state.

WingNut60 9th Jul 2021 03:17


Originally Posted by MickG0105 (Post 11075660)
As is pretty typical these days when you find the primary source reporting you'll see that it does not match the subsequent secondary reporting in the media.

There most assuredly has not been a 184 percent increase in attempted suicide rates among Victorian teenagers at all. The 184 percent increase in Victoria was for 'duty of care interventions enacted by Kids Helpline on behalf of children and young people'. For starters, 'children and young people' is not just teenagers; it covers those aged between 5-25. As noted in the primary report, '75% of emergency interventions were for young people aged 13-18'.
............

Wash your mouth out, Mick.
Don't you dare go spouting out facts and common sense on this thread.

MickG0105 9th Jul 2021 03:31


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 11075669)
Wash your mouth out, Mick.
Don't you dare go spouting out facts and common sense on this thread.

Mea culpa. Whatever was I thinking?! Ah, there you go - thinking - maybe that was the problem.

StudentInDebt 9th Jul 2021 05:06


Originally Posted by MickG0105 (Post 11075675)
Mea culpa. Whatever was I thinking?! Ah, there you go - thinking - maybe that was the problem.

Lost art nowadays it seems.

Foxxster 9th Jul 2021 06:02

mkay. Always glad for facts to be flushed out.


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