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Green.Dot 13th Feb 2021 01:19


Originally Posted by jrfsp (Post 10989642)
While Howard Springs is hardly remote, if it did escape into the community, the economic cost of shutting down what is really a fairly minor population centre would be far less for the national economy, and "only" impacting 150K ish people.

Using similar logic I would have thought Cairns, Townsville and Rocky would be good options. Would fill up hotels supporting an already struggling tourism industry. Long enough runways, customs, quarantine & each is a suitable divert complimenting the others. Hospitals, the works. Wouldn’t fit in line with the Chooks “keeping QLDers safe” mantra though and wouldn’t get up with North QLD MPs.

SOPS 13th Feb 2021 01:32

SHVC... Christmas Island was used at the very beginning of this mess. There is no good reason why it can’t be used again.

Lockhart 13th Feb 2021 01:57

If you google earth, Curtin Air Base their is so much room you could build a city around it. Hundreds of dongers
a med unit etc. Fly straight in, quarantine 14 days, once cleared return to your own state. Do this on a ongoing rolling
basis you cold all aussies home soon enough. Put it this way this, operation would be so much cheaper
than a total state lockdown.

currawong 13th Feb 2021 02:50

It is rapidly becoming academic where quarantine is anyway.

At the end of the month, quarantine, border and frontline medical are to be vaccinated.

Which will break the chain right where the problem lies.

On eyre 13th Feb 2021 02:55


Originally Posted by currawong (Post 10989664)
It is rapidly becoming academic where quarantine is anyway.

At the end of the month, quarantine, border and frontline medical are to be vaccinated.

Which will break the chain right where the problem lies.

Not necessarily - as I understand it vaccination will protect that person from becoming seriously ill from the virus. It is still unsure whether vaccination will stop the subsequently infected person from being contagious and thereby possibly passing the virus on. I stand to be corrected on this however.

Dannyboy39 13th Feb 2021 03:02


Originally Posted by On eyre (Post 10989666)
Not necessarily - as I understand it vaccination will protect that person from becoming seriously ill from the virus. It is still unsure whether vaccination will stop the subsequently infected person from being contagious and thereby possibly passing the virus on. I stand to be corrected on this however.

66% reduction in transmission for AZ, I’m not sure about the other vaccines.

Not enough for Australia I guess though...

SHVC 13th Feb 2021 03:13

UK seem to be having good results not sure if it’s the vaccine or the lockdown tho.

Lockhart 13th Feb 2021 03:20


Originally Posted by On eyre (Post 10989666)
Not necessarily - as I understand it vaccination will protect that person from becoming seriously ill from the virus. It is still unsure whether vaccination will stop the subsequently infected person from being contagious and thereby possibly passing the virus on. I stand to be corrected on this however.

So another words it reduces Covid-19 down to flu status or even better. So what's the problem? If you catch it, so what it's not going to kill you.
Then you may as well lockdown for flu, which no one has done in all the winters that have passed.

blubak 13th Feb 2021 03:27


Originally Posted by lucille (Post 10989637)
Green.Dot... indeed However the population in Australia has been terrified into submission. The polls say that Victorians think the sun shines out of Dan’s rear end. Queenslanders reflected the odious PM all because they felt she “saved” them from certain death. I’m guessing the Vics also feel a lifetime Debt of gratitude to Dan for saving them from a horrible certain death.

There is no light at the end of this tunnel.

I dont think the sun shines where you suggest so you are assuming a lot.
Everybody can decide for themselves who they believe is to blame or where the blame lies.
I believe the guy who had the neubiliser has run to the age newspaper making claims he is innocent,i thought he was in icu in a serious condition,im sure i am mistaken though as the government are to blame!
A couple of weeks ago we had tennis players telling the media how badly they had been treated & they didnt understand the rules but it wasnt too many days later apologies were issued by many of the same people but anyway im sure again that is the fault of the government.
I have listened to Andrews today along with Sutton & the testing commander & just a short time ago Prof Kelly,the chief med officer.
Are they all idiots/fools?,mmm maybe they are but i dont think so.
I spoke to a relative in a european country this morning & she said she wished their govt had acted quickly instead of them now being in a lockdown with no end in sight & daily numbers around 1000 & up to 100 deaths per day.

currawong 13th Feb 2021 03:34

" For most pathogens and most people, a vaccinated person cannot pass on the disease at all."

"Most vaccines do completely eliminate the pathogen or prevent it ever becoming established"

" I have been an immuno-geneticist for 20 years"


From a parallel thread over on Middle East. Contributor is double_barrel


rattman 13th Feb 2021 03:41


Originally Posted by Dannyboy39 (Post 10989667)
66% reduction in transmission for AZ, I’m not sure about the other vaccines.

Not enough for Australia I guess though...

Numbers, new infections and a deaths, world wide are on the decline. Its not one thing, its a combination of things

brokenagain 13th Feb 2021 03:48

Coronavirus Worldwide Graphs

Worldwide daily cases have been declining for over a month now, and are at the lowest rate since October last year. Or course it’s not reported in the news, good news doesn’t sell.

blubak 13th Feb 2021 03:54


Originally Posted by brokenagain (Post 10989681)
Coronavirus Worldwide Graphs

Worldwide daily cases have been declining for over a month now, and are at the lowest rate since October last year. Or course it’s not reported in the news, good news doesn’t sell.

Spot on,its only the negative headlines that make people take notice.

dr dre 13th Feb 2021 04:12


Originally Posted by brokenagain (Post 10989681)

Worldwide daily cases have been declining for over a month now, and are at the lowest rate since October last year. Or course it’s not reported in the news, good news doesn’t sell.

I wonder if some who claim “the media are lying to us” actually read the media that supposedly isn’t reporting this news?:

Coronavirus R number falls below 1 in UK for first time since July - The Guardian

Global COVID-19 cases declined 17 per cent last week, WHO says - 9 News

​​​​​​​
Seeds of hope as new global COVID-19 case numbers sag - SBS News

Clare Prop 13th Feb 2021 05:30


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 10989608)
So, for everyone that thinks HQ should occur in remote areas where would you suggest? what township do you propose to dump these internationals? where do these internationals land? not including military QLD has a few airports that can handle it NSW maybe one, VIC has one other (Avalon) so point is there will always be double handling of infectious ppl in the transport from plane to donga. Then a bus might break down 200km from destination imagine that what a nightmare punters just had a 12hr flight and now 2hrs into a 4.5hr bus ride good luck controlling them.

Just say, if Sco Mo caves to this idea he ask each state and territory leader to nominate a regional area within their own state for this new quarantine facility, where do you think Dan will nominate? the mad man of the west wants to use another island FFS he doesn't even want them in his state. I would like to hear what the Toowoomba residents think of Pooches idea she even said she would want the workers to live there at this new camp hope she will pay 6 figures ill do it, but her election has cone and gone has yrs to get the ppl to like her again.

The issue here is Dan, he is the worst kind remember last year he said the buck stops with him he is ultimately responsible etc well he has not taken any responsibility and washed his hands clean but thinks he is in a position to have digs at other states well wake up Dan you need to call other states and get some advice on handling this.

Here in the West we have the "bare bases" Curtin and Learmonth, taxpayers have paid for massive runways that could take international flights, RFDS for anyone that gets really sick, just like anyone else in the bush.
RAAF bare bases - Wikipedia

WingNut60 13th Feb 2021 05:55


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 10989608)
.............the mad man of the west wants to use another island FFS he doesn't even want them in his state...........

Though not exactly "in his state", Christmas Island has very close ties with W.A. and is, to a large extent, administered and supported from W.A.
If you had ever forced yourself to go west of the Penrith Panthers Leagues Club you might know about that.

Downside of even considering Christmas Island is 7000 ft runway.
It is serviced from W.A. by using 737s only.

SHVC 13th Feb 2021 06:06

That’s all well and good, but how do you look after all these ppl in these remote places like Learmonth and Curtin?! McGoose wants to keep it out of the indigenous communities among other like FIFO you’re just moving it closer. I just watched McGoose press conference seems he is unable to string a sentence together unless he is reading a script sounds very disconnected with what is actually happening when he speaks.

WingNut60 13th Feb 2021 06:17


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 10989713)
That’s all well and good, but how do you look after all these ppl in these remote places like Learmonth and Curtin?! McGoose wants to keep it out of the indigenous communities among other like FIFO you’re just moving it closer.

A security fence and a 30 km walk through the spinifex to an aboriginal community is less incentivising for most people than "out the back door for a Big Mac then hit the leagues clubs".


I just watched McGoose press conference seems he is unable to string a sentence together unless he is reading a script sounds very disconnected with what is actually happening when he speaks.
At least he might know how to use punctuation in a sentence. You know, full stops, capital letters, commas and stuff.

Clare Prop 13th Feb 2021 06:22

Christmas has got ex cons whose visas have been cancelled, waiting to be deported. Christmas Island detention centre site of riot as detainees set fires - ABC News

The detention centre is a federal facility, not a state one.




Dannyboy39 13th Feb 2021 06:44


Originally Posted by brokenagain (Post 10989681)
Coronavirus Worldwide Graphs

Worldwide daily cases have been declining for over a month now, and are at the lowest rate since October last year. Or course it’s not reported in the news, good news doesn’t sell.

Most of Europe is in lockdown currently - heck I've not seen my family for around 7 weeks now. As we've seen, as soon as lockdowns end, the virus comes back... if that doesn't sound obvious. If there wasn't a real reduction in cases, something would've been wrong.

My theory is that the vaccine is taking more of an effect than what people are reporting - most of the people receiving it, certainly in the UK, will be the most exposed to it (i.e. health workers / elderly). Perhaps a situation where if someone has had a vaccine, they are less likely to go for a test thinking they are totally protected.

Case numbers are not the only indicator - I understand in Turkey they have reduced testing, but their case positivity rate has shot up? The UK were doing 300,000 tests a day, whereas a country in Eastern Europe where I was flying to semi-often was doing about 3,000 a day.


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