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Icarus2001 5th Feb 2021 09:36

The pundits seem to disagree WingNut, he wants to bask in the sweet spot at the end of 2021 as restrictions start to lift and the future looks rosey.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...tion-this-year

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/poli...election-2021/

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-...ccine/13109674

Foxxster 5th Feb 2021 10:26


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10983946)
The State Libs have zero chance of winning that poll, it doesnít matter what comes out of Morrisonís mouth. Iíd say if anything heís thinking of his own next Federal Election and not losing WA seats.

After the state election itíll be April, the vaccine program will be well underway, a lot of critical groups should have been vaccinated, the risk profile will change and thereíll be a change in health advice and actions, so the language will change from all. No one can say for sure how much, I wouldnít expect full unrestricted international travel of course by that stage but steps will be made.

Also very true. The WA liberals may have no hope of winning but they want to lose by a lesser margin. Any negative outbursts from Canberra could mean losing additional seats.

The possibility of a Federal election around September this year is as you say also a major consideration....as I have heard if things go bad enough in WA alone, it could be enough to swing things . And it appears at the state level at least, the libs are in serious trouble there.

WingNut60 5th Feb 2021 10:31


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 10983970)
The pundits seem to disagree WingNut, he wants to bask in the sweet spot at the end of 2021 as restrictions start to lift and the future looks rosey.

Yes well, we'll see how that goes for him.
We'll see how popular he is after he brings in this year's budget.

Jobs and growth is starting to look a bit fragile

Ragnor 5th Feb 2021 11:09

You really can’t hold the federal government accountable for the budget deficit when they spent so much on the ppl. So Mo will be popular as he is now.

WingNut60 5th Feb 2021 11:46


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10984055)
You really canít hold the federal government accountable for the budget deficit when they spent so much on the ppl. So Mo will be popular as he is now.

I didn't say I did. But I also would not over-estimate his popularity.
We'll see.

rcoight 5th Feb 2021 12:10


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 10983955)
Mr Morrison won't be in any hurry to go to the polls, I suspect.

Heíll romp home, whether the election is later this year or next.

The ALP have no chance under Albo - or anyone else - while they continue to ignore their traditional base in favour of inner city greens.

Icarus2001 5th Feb 2021 13:49


Yes well, we'll see how that goes for him.
We'll see how popular he is after he brings in this year's budget.
I can see the man in the street...”Save us Albo you are only hope”

Yep, the man in the street knows that the best people to fix the economy and get us moving are a group of ex union officials parachuted into safe seats. Too funny.

601 5th Feb 2021 14:01


That is how we ended up with compulsory bicycle helmets in Australia when the rest of the world mostly manages without such rules.
At least in Oz, we have a vessel in which we can deliver the mangled brains to their mother.
This especially applies to the morons who ride with their helmet other than on their head, correctly fastened.

I have witnessed three bicycle accidents caused by uneven or protruding road surfaces which, judging by the damage to the helmets, would have resulted in serious brain injury.

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SOPS 5th Feb 2021 14:09

The Labor Party is too focused on the latte sipper Greens in the city. Once upon a time.. they were the party for letís say.. the coal miners. All they want to do now is shut down coal mining.: well perhaps they do.. no they donít .. umm we canít really say.

Until Albo and his inner city mates go back to their base .. they have no hope in hell of winning an election.

Shorten got caught out by this at the last election.. telling the late sippers he was against coal .. and trying to explain to the miners, why he wasnít.

For many reasons, this is going to be a fun year.

Climb150 5th Feb 2021 14:49


Originally Posted by 601 (Post 10984192)
At least in Oz, we have a vessel in which we can deliver the mangled brains to their mother.
This especially applies to the morons who ride with their helmet other than on their head, correctly fastened.

I have witnessed three bicycle accidents caused by uneven or protruding road surfaces which, judging by the damage to the helmets, would have resulted in serious brain injury.

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A 2006 BMJ study showed that in states which had helmet laws, the amount of cycling to work had reduced by about one third.[53] Other evidence strongly suggests that promotion or compulsion of helmet use deters cycling.

ďAustralia is one of only two countries in the world with fully enforced mandatory helmet law. The number of people who ride a bike isn't increasing and there has been no decrease in the number of bike rider fatalities.Oct 31, 2018

Good to see Australia is keeping us all safe from super dangerous bicycles

Foxxster 5th Feb 2021 21:11


Originally Posted by rcoight (Post 10984118)
Heíll romp home, whether the election is later this year or next.

The ALP have no chance under Albo - or anyone else - while they continue to ignore their traditional base in favour of inner city greens.

Albo is done. Plibersek has already announced she is after his job for anyone listening. She has raised her profile this year, taking a regular spot on a talkback radio station and if anyone thinks that little confrontation with Craig Kelly was anything but her saying she was leader in waiting then wake up. Apparently Tony Burke has also cleared up a few issues from his past, very quietly so expect something from him, perhaps deputy to Plibersek or to run as leader.

And before anyone says , no she will wait until after the election. Or wait, what about those new rules they brought in regarding electing a new leader. Plibersek is a leftie just like Albo and if or more likely when Albo loses, the federal ALP are sure not going to elect another leftie to lead them. So Plibersek has to make her move before the election. She also is too old to wait for the time after the next leader after Albo. And with an election tipped for September, she is going to have to act quickly. Hence the recent confrontation with Kelly. Expect to see and hear a lot more of her and probably Burke.

Ragnor 5th Feb 2021 21:22

Albo will loose the election, TP will wait till after that then take the reins. TP will build her profile even more over the next 3-4 yrs and loose that election. The Labor party is not the Labor party anymore they're more aligned with the greens than ever before and until they can distance themself they will loose the blue collar workers gradually.

The Nationals are requesting the Liberals that rural Australia Agriculture, coal, manufacturing be protected in any Australian policy transition to net zero carbon emissions by 2050 and they will cross the floor to protect regional Australia and their party’s identity. Sco Mo does this he will smash the next election and the next.

wheels_down 5th Feb 2021 21:35

I think itís safe to say there wonít be any government changes throughout this entire decade. Federal and State. Scotty will be the longest serving PM. Dan will be the longest serving Premier.

Largely due to failures of the opposition in every market.

layman 5th Feb 2021 21:45

Climb150

97% of fatal bicycle accident victims were not wearing a helmet

74% of severe injuries (mainly head trauma) were not wearing a helmet

Mandatory or not, wearing a helmet seems to be the safer option

dr dre 5th Feb 2021 22:11


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10984454)
The Nationals are requesting the Liberals that rural Australia Agriculture, coal, manufacturing be protected in any Australian policy transition to net zero carbon emissions by 2050 and they will cross the floor to protect regional Australia and their partyís identity.

If you havenít noticed the rhetoric from the government has changed in the last 2 months, may have coincided with a change of government in Washington.......

Exact words from the PM - ďthe political debate about reaching a carbon-neutral future is overĒ....

Anyway enough thread drift, bad enough weíre arguing about politics and pandemics here, arguing about politics and CC is JB territory.....

Chronic Snoozer 5th Feb 2021 22:14


Originally Posted by Climb150 (Post 10984231)
A 2006 BMJ study showed that in states which had helmet laws, the amount of cycling to work had reduced by about one third.[53] Other evidence strongly suggests that promotion or compulsion of helmet use deters cycling.

ďAustralia is one of only two countries in the world with fully enforced mandatory helmet law. The number of people who ride a bike isn't increasing and there has been no decrease in the number of bike rider fatalities.Oct 31, 2018

Good to see Australia is keeping us all safe from super dangerous bicycles

Itís not the bicycles, itís gravity and Mother Earth that are dangerous. Dive back into that study and find out how many serious head injuries and concussions were prevented. Is it so different to mandating seat belts? Popularity of cycling is affected by a number of factors not least of which is proper infrastructure and urban sprawl.

WingNut60 5th Feb 2021 23:06


Originally Posted by rcoight (Post 10984118)
He’ll romp home, whether the election is later this year or next.

The ALP have no chance under Albo - or anyone else - while they continue to ignore their traditional base in favour of inner city greens.

You must be reading my post up-side down.
I said nothing about Lib vs Lab.
I agree, Albanese has no show.
But I'm not at all sure that it's going to be ScoMo up front when the next election comes around.
But hey, wouldn't this all be better in another thread.

krismiler 5th Feb 2021 23:55

Australian bicycle helmet laws vary from state to state, most will allow Sikhs an exemption, except for New South Wales where they feel that the protection offered by a turban isn't quite up to that of a proper helmet.

Motorcycle use requires a helmet in all states with no exceptions on religious or medical grounds, except for Tasmania where the transport department may approve a medical exemption.

Climb150 6th Feb 2021 00:56

Hmmmm 195 countries and 2 have mandatory helmet laws for adults. I guess the rest of the world is just too dumb to see how forward thinking we have been over the last 30 years.

dr dre 6th Feb 2021 02:00


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 10984508)
But hey, wouldn't this all be better in another thread.

Absolutely, soon someone will suggest bike helmets can prevent virus infection.


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