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neville_nobody 15th Feb 2021 02:48

For pilots it will just mean you are part time or stood down until you are made redundant or bankruptcy which ever occurs first.

I can't see any airline receiving a bail out from government regardless of circumstances.

The only real solution for airlines is for the State Governments to actually agree on not shutting the borders all the time. However it will take some significant financial shock before they are dragged kicking and screaming to that position. We only have to look at QLD, they shut down the State then expect a Federal Government handout. Until they and the general population start taking in the wallet it won't change.

ruprecht 15th Feb 2021 03:15


Originally Posted by Scooter Rassmussin (Post 10990792)
The move away from jobkeeper means nothing to the companies, sure they were able to milk a little for themselves but having the staff lose jobkeeper is no skin off the companies nose .

Yeah, not so sure about that.

The only reason I’m not taking any leave is because of jobkeeper. Once jobkeeper ends I will start emptying my leave bank. I’m confident I’m not the only one.

ManillaChillaDilla 15th Feb 2021 03:28

Scooter and Neville nailed it.

The end of JobKeeper means the end of employment for many. Ironically timed around Easter.

Those taking day off payments while others go broke unfortunately typify the sad state of affairs within Australia as a whole.

MCD.

Servo 15th Feb 2021 03:32


Originally Posted by ruprecht (Post 10990802)
Yeah, not so sure about that.

The only reason I’m not taking any leave is because of jobkeeper. Once jobkeeper ends I will start emptying my leave bank. I’m confident I’m not the only one.

I dont have any leave or LSL left. Already used it all up :( we are on the precipice of disaster at home.

wheels_down 15th Feb 2021 03:44


Originally Posted by ManillaChillaDilla (Post 10990805)
Scooter and Neville nailed it.

The end of JobKeeper means the end of employment for many. Ironically timed around Easter.

Those taking day off payments while others go broke unfortunately typify the sad state of affairs within Australia as a whole.

MCD.

Why does it mean the end of employment? Stood down for another 6 months does not equal unemployment? It equals no cash coming in.

What cost to Virgin is there by having its crews stood down for 6 months without pay, vs making them redundant? I mean if they are going to be stood up in 6 months what’s the point of paying out a redundancy? Jayne will do whatever is cheaper in the long term.

ruprecht 15th Feb 2021 04:46


Originally Posted by ManillaChillaDilla (Post 10990805)
Scooter and Neville nailed it.

The end of JobKeeper means the end of employment for many. Ironically timed around Easter.

Those taking day off payments while others go broke unfortunately typify the sad state of affairs within Australia as a whole.

MCD.

My point is that once jobkeeper ends there will be an extra cash drain on the the airlines as some employees start using their leave. I’m unclear whether the airlines have factored this into their cash reserve calculations.

currawong 15th Feb 2021 04:52


Originally Posted by empacher48 (Post 10990606)
Try Level 3 for Auckland and 2 for the rest of the country. Level 4 cannot be put in place for individual provinces and is country wide only.

As in August, because the contact tracing team hasn’t figured out where they got it from, lock down to make sure it’s not being spread through the community without people knowing.

Unlike the community cases a few weeks ago, in November and October where the source can be traced back to MIQ, no alert levels were changed because contact tracers and genomic testing could identify a source.

If the contact tracing is good enough and you can quickly find the source and close contacts NZ does not change alert levels.

When there is no clear source, then yes alert levels change.

Compare NZ’s reaction to Victoria or WA, if NZ know where the case came from and close contacts are known (takes no longer than 24 hours for NZ contact tracers to identify close contacts, 48 hours for casual and casual+ contacts), so in the case of the Holiday Inn situation NZ would not have changed alert levels for that.

You are right of course. Typo on my part.:O

You are also right that it had been eliminated.

Reintroduced through a leaky quarantine and eliminated again.

I am of the belief that the current method of control, swift, brief restrictions in order for contact tracers to catch up is the best they have come up with so far.

It has worked, well and a precautionary 3 or 5 days is stand out better than a reactive 3 weeks or months.

DirectAnywhere 15th Feb 2021 06:27


Originally Posted by ruprecht (Post 10990822)
My point is that once jobkeeper ends there will be an extra cash drain on the the airlines as some employees start using their leave. I’m unclear whether the airlines have factored this into their cash reserve calculations.

The language and tone from the Feds around support for specific industries such as tourism and aviation is starting to soften. Frydenburg was interviewed on AM this morning. Given his language, you’d expect to see economy wide measures such as Jobkeeper end but a new package of support for specific industries only (that can’t be called Jobkeeper but would be materially similar) announced in the next few weeks.

Start about 4 mins in. Sabra Lane mentions aviation specifically, Frydenburg discusses QF cancelling 1500 inbound flights to QLD in January and goes on to say specific industry measures are under consideration now. In other words, I think, DON’T PANIC.


https://www.abc.net.au/radio/adelaid...am/am/13133946

Lockhart 15th Feb 2021 06:44


Originally Posted by ruprecht (Post 10990822)
My point is that once jobkeeper ends there will be an extra cash drain on the the airlines as some employees start using their leave. I’m unclear whether the airlines have factored this into their cash reserve calculations.

Well this is a rumour network and what I heard at around 5.25pm while the radio was in the background, a worker in the construction industry was advised
don't bother coming to work till the end of March. What does the construction industry know that we don't? He couldn't could he, put
Vic into a 4 week lockdown. The first was called a circuit breaker.

He wasn't prepared to make any call today. It was 1 case today.
Well I hope I'm wrong, very very wrong, though if cases are 1 tomorrow and the next I wonder what the hell Dan is going to say on Wed.
Maybe I'm tapping into Dan's brain to much and he might just think 'well job keeper ends in March, why not March. That's time on my side'. This guy loves stress and
he enjoys applying stress to others.

wheels_down 15th Feb 2021 07:08


Originally Posted by Lockhart (Post 10990847)

though if cases are 1 tomorrow and the next I wonder what the hell Dan is going to say on Wed.
.

‘There is a 14 day incubation period’
‘UK Strain’
‘This isn’t the 2020 Virus we are dealing with here’
‘For all we know it could be spreading like wildfire’
‘We need to be absolutely sure’
‘I don’t apologise for taking the medical advice’

Extend for a further 9 Days. :hmm:

SRFred 15th Feb 2021 07:44

Remember he has a ticking clock on his emergency powers and they expire in a couple of weeks.

Lockhart 15th Feb 2021 21:55

About 3 weeks ago wasn't their a chap 26yo that had the UK strain went to a stack of places in the Glen Waverley area
such as Bunnings, Dan Murphy's then when found out that he had the virus isolated though all the hot spots he visited
produced no other cases. No lockdown then and 2 cases today connected to the Holiday Inn so no community transmission.
If the same tomorrow then lockdown should and will end tomorrow.

highflyer40 15th Feb 2021 22:13


Originally Posted by C441 (Post 10990307)
I'm not sure that facilities suitable for a few hundred US Marines would necessarily be equally suitable for families, including children, returning from o/s.

Im also not sure that facilities (or lack there of) would be suitable for your law abiding citizens following the rules. Should an Australian citizen who has been living their life overseas and just found out their parent has 1 month to live so chooses to fly home (accepting quarantine) be expected to live in a military camp for 2 weeks? What the military may accept and the public will accept or two completely different things... rightly so.

Chronic Snoozer 15th Feb 2021 22:21

Dan Andrews grilling

Green.Dot 15th Feb 2021 22:31


Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer (Post 10991297)

Nice work Leigh, very valid questions for the struggling businesses.

Judging by his lack of composure under the pressure of an interview, no surprise he can’t keep a clear mind during the decisions/or lack of he has made since Jan 2020.

2 or more cases tomorrow and the lockdown fun will continue I reckon.

Chronic Snoozer 15th Feb 2021 22:51


Originally Posted by Green.Dot (Post 10991303)
Nice work Leigh, very valid questions for the struggling businesses.

Judging by his lack of composure under the pressure of an interview, no surprise he can’t keep a clear mind during the decisions/or lack of he has made since Jan 2020.

2 or more cases tomorrow and the lockdown fun will continue I reckon.

He’s fronting the presser but in reality he is ‘following advice’. Perhaps Sutton should have been asked the questions as well.

Sunfish 15th Feb 2021 23:44

Assuming no new community transmission by tomorrow night I think we will unlock. The lockdown plan assumed a hundred or more new cases, we aren't anywhere near that......yet.

1A_Please 16th Feb 2021 00:08


Originally Posted by Sunfish (Post 10991333)
Assuming no new community transmission by tomorrow night I think we will unlock. The lockdown plan assumed a hundred or more new cases, we aren't anywhere near that......yet.

The question is whether unlock is back to where we were last week or a different level of restrictions and therefore only a partial reopening. Typically we haven't immediately reopened completely and have had a stepped approach. Who knows this time? He wants a full stadium for the AusOpen finals as it looks good on TV so may be we will go straight back this time. He never discloses the medical advice he uses (probably because it doesn't exist) so whatever he does he will say it is consistent with the medical advice.

ScepticalOptomist 16th Feb 2021 03:03

Barely a grilling..

When he stated this isn’t the 2020 virus but the “highly contagious” UK variant, that is about to run rampant - why does no one challenge?

Unbelievable the crap these guys are allowed to sprout unchallenged.

So many people are absolutely buying into the continuing fear campaign BS.

We are a dumb bunch here in Aus nowadays.


SHVC 16th Feb 2021 03:31

Even dumber that we will be one of the last countries to be vaccinating. Two have full approval but they’re still fluffing around first jab scheduled 25th Feb.


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