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DirectAnywhere 13th Feb 2021 06:56

Avalon is the obvious one. Long runway, lots of open space to place temporary accomodation.

Established water and electricity infrastructure. Close enough to major hospitals for those that may require that level of support and intervention.

WingNut60 13th Feb 2021 07:01


Originally Posted by Clare Prop (Post 10989718)
Christmas has got ex cons whose visas have been cancelled, waiting to be deported. Christmas Island detention centre site of riot as detainees set fires - ABC News

The detention centre is a federal facility, not a state one.

Correct. And can probably (?) not be used as a quarantine facility while it is being used for immigration detainees.
Also, take a look at my previous post regarding runway length.

But what's your point with regard it being a federal facility and not state?

Sunfish 13th Feb 2021 08:09

latest word is that the Victorian 5 day lockdown will be extended to 2 weeks.

dr dre 13th Feb 2021 08:39


Originally Posted by Sunfish (Post 10989766)
latest word is that the Victorian 5 day lockdown will be extended to 2 weeks.

Although it could be extended I was reading this in another forum, and it seemed that people were misinterpreting the State of Emergency order (which will always be made for a minimum 2 weeks) with the Lockdown order. Only 1 positive case today is good news.

wheels_down 13th Feb 2021 08:46


Originally Posted by Sunfish (Post 10989766)
latest word is that the Victorian 5 day lockdown will be extended to 2 weeks.

I think that was pretty well cleared up today. That is an order drafted by a Legal that 14 days.

As he said. No surprises in the next 4 days. And we are back to last Thursday’s setup.

However one single surprise then you can bet 2 weeks.

Angle of Attack 13th Feb 2021 08:48

Quarantine centres historically not in remote locations, they were close but just outside of the cities. The only reason I say Howard Springs is gold standard is because the rooms are individual cabins with no stagnant corridors. They all have a veranda and items can be delivered safely as it’s outdoors. I don’t care where you build them, build them in the suburbs if you wish but individual Dongers are the way to go, there is almost no chance of aerosol transmission if protocols are followed. The fact is that almost all the epidemiology experts have been stating this pretty much since a year ago. You can’t trust State Governments, they quite frankly aren’t the sharpest tools in the shed, basically they couldn’t make it to Federal Government and went to the next best thing.

Double_Clutch 13th Feb 2021 11:44

What “Phase” will pilots fall into, regarding the vaccine?

SHVC 13th Feb 2021 20:09

Depends, could be 1B if they see pilots as 'critical and high risk workers' I would imagine cabin crew would fall in this category. If not that, definitely 2A I believe Pilots would be 'other critical and high risk workers'




RodH 13th Feb 2021 20:15

Just a thought?
From memory there is an island about 500k south of Melbourne that started off as a penal colony a couple of hundred years ago so maybe that would be an ideal spot to quarantine everyone who arrives in Australia . Would be easy to set up as they already have had training in locking people up as soon as they arrived in Australia, sure it was a while ago but I'm sure they could restart the locking up process and it's too far to swim to the mainland so there's no escape until the detainees are better.
I hope Scott and Dan read this as it will surely help them.

empacher48 13th Feb 2021 21:10


Originally Posted by RodH (Post 10990131)
Just a thought?
From memory there is an island about 500k south of Melbourne that started off as a penal colony a couple of hundred years ago so maybe that would be an ideal spot to quarantine everyone who arrives in Australia . Would be easy to set up as they already have had training in locking people up as soon as they arrived in Australia, sure it was a while ago but I'm sure they could restart the locking up process and it's too far to swim to the mainland so there's no escape until the detainees are better.
I hope Scott and Dan read this as it will surely help them.

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Stuff: Hundreds fly from MIQ in NZ to Australia

There already seems to be a group of islands a few thousand kilometres east of Australia that are providing Quarantine for Australians coming back home. It appears cheaper and easier than doing it in Australia.

At least the country doesn’t go into full-blown lock downs when there are breaches in the MIQ system..

dr dre 13th Feb 2021 21:21


Originally Posted by Double_Clutch (Post 10989882)
What “Phase” will pilots fall into, regarding the vaccine?

International crew classed as 1A. Domestic crew 1B. There should only be a few weeks difference between those two groups, so most active pilots should have access to the vaccines within the next few months.

SHVC 13th Feb 2021 21:45

International pilots are treated no different unless you can provide another reference to what the government website has. 1A has border force that’s as close to a pilot you will get, 1B earliest for aircrew no way they’re going ahead of health care and aged care workers. Pilots are not that important.

SRFred 13th Feb 2021 23:05


Originally Posted by RodH (Post 10990131)
Just a thought?
From memory there is an island about 500k south of Melbourne that started off as a penal colony a couple of hundred years ago so maybe that would be an ideal spot to quarantine everyone who arrives in Australia .

Not only that heaps of money has been spent in recent years restoring Port Arthur ready for "clients".

Lockhart 13th Feb 2021 23:30

In Vic, 1 case yesterday, 2 cases today, come Monday tomorrow is pretty much d-day regarding Wednesday announcement.
Is 1 or 2 per day enough to lift the lockdown or not. If lockdown continues and job keeper finishes that will be like dropping a nuke on Vic.
I remember lockdown 2, went for 2 weeks then extended to 6 weeks finished up being 4 months. I don't think Dan's got the guts
to do a three peat of this. Victorian citizens will just rebel.

Bug Smasher Smasher 13th Feb 2021 23:35


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 10990179)
International pilots are treated no different unless you can provide another reference to what the government website has. 1A has border force that’s as close to a pilot you will get, 1B earliest for aircrew no way they’re going ahead of health care and aged care workers. Pilots are not that important.

I think you’ll find you’re wrong and dr dre is right.

dr dre 14th Feb 2021 00:09

The “border workers” 1A classification isn’t necessarily just ABF personnel, it’s all who have a role in international travel, like International airport workers with face to face contact with travellers (pilots I believe included in this, in addition to being “travellers” themselves).

For the 1B classification that includes “critical workers” such as people working in supply and distribution of essential goods and services which would encompass pilots.

jrfsp 14th Feb 2021 01:15

3 new cases in NZ, connected to airport catering staffer. Lets see if the bubble gets dropped again.

Global Aviator 14th Feb 2021 02:09

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_...8E8o9FmSmpxCzU

And...... HS Q being ramped up

jrfsp 14th Feb 2021 03:56

US marines arriving into Darwin will be provided quarantine facilities at RAAF Darwin, and "The Marine force has rented a secure facility outside Darwin – understood to be Bladin Point, about 20km south of Darwin – for the majority of personnel to complete their quarantining". Source: The guardian.

So we can find suitable facilities for US marines, but for our own citizens, lets put them in hotels in the CBD....Shows where the Fed gov's priorities are...

If im not mistaken, the facilities at Bladin point will be the former 'immigration holding centre', essentially donga's, not unlike Howard Springs. EDIT. The bladin point village, former INPEX workers village, accommodation for up to 750 people!!

How many facilities are there like this around the country.....

C441 14th Feb 2021 06:37


So we can find suitable facilities for US marines, but for our own citizens, lets put them in hotels in the CBD....Shows where the Fed gov's priorities are...
I'm not sure that facilities suitable for a few hundred US Marines would necessarily be equally suitable for families, including children, returning from o/s.


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