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dr dre 11th Feb 2021 22:39

I don't get it.

All of you complain that states that lockdown when outbreaks occur say they should follow NSW's approach and just use contact tracing (even though they did a partial lockdown) because otherwise it destroys the economy.

Now in Victoria you're all piling on DA for....... using contact tracing and keeping the economy going during a major income event (the AO)

It seems people just decide who to like/hate based on what political party the person involved belongs to and then they look for evidence solely to back up that position.

Chronic Snoozer 11th Feb 2021 22:43


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 10988874)
So wash your bloody hands, wear a mask and don't sneeze over people in the food court at the local shops. Take some responsibility for your own wellbeing instead of expecting Australia to bend over and take it up the asre "to keep you safe".

And get tested. Amen.

Potsie Weber 11th Feb 2021 22:43


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 10988865)
Snap 5 day lockdown archives what?? Incubation period is at least 14 days. WA and QLD were just lucky further cases didn’t emerge definitely not a result of “snap” lock downs and “slamming” the borders shut.

A snap lockdown gives contact tracers a chance to try and get ahead of the virus and identify and quarantine those potentially at risk of having been exposed. That takes time. It’s a good idea, but the downside is that it is preceded by panic buying and people fleeing the lockdown area, which is not good for containment.

SHVC 11th Feb 2021 22:53


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10988876)
I don't get it.

All of you complain that states that lockdown when outbreaks occur say they should follow NSW's approach and just use contact tracing (even though they did a partial lockdown) because otherwise it destroys the economy.

Now in Victoria you're all piling on DA for....... using contact tracing and keeping the economy going during a major income event (the AO)

It seems people just decide who to like/hate based on what political party the person involved belongs to and then they look for evidence solely to back up that position.

Maybe the issue is DA and the Vic goverment are putting international sporting events ahead of Australian people and Australian livelihoods. Look at what is happening now not even two months ago Victorian residents couldn’t even cross their own border to get home. They allow the Australian open importing foreign ppl purposely for a sporting event whilst canceling Australian national day which is far more important than any AO and F1 event.

Telfer86 11th Feb 2021 23:13

Mystery modes of transmission with hyper mutant ninja infective ability, the naughty guest used a nebuliser, so it couldn't have been a breakdown
of basic infection control , breach of discipline or any fault of the Govt

Was the CHO of Victoria biting his tongue or trying very hard not to laugh when he was agreeing that the nebuliser was a "plausible theory indeed"

Uber driver accidently delivered a nebuliser to the other hotel Grand Hyatt instead of a pizza , where other transmission to staff occurred

Victoria leads the world with hotel quarantine procedures , Dan tells us all the other states learn from us & come asking humbly for advice

The fact that Vict had a little issue to deal with in 2020(circa 900 dead people) and didn't accept international arrivals from July until December in no way diminishes
the superiority of Dan & the gang with hotel quarantine

He also took the great leap forward to invent the "traffic light" system to judge the plebs outside Victoria

No doubt there will be excitable buzzword baby talk in todays press conference , we might see just a little bit of self-congratulations and "shout outs" to the incredible team

Before you can say "Dans your Uncle" yes another lockdown , transmission from two Hotels in less than two months after second chance

You show em Dan , you tell em

Lockhart 11th Feb 2021 23:19

Melbourne about to announce 5 day lockdown just like Perth a few weeks ago. Not confirmed cabinet is meeting.

SRFred 12th Feb 2021 00:33

CHO ..... Chief Humour Officer ..... rather sad situation actually.

Telfer86 12th Feb 2021 00:38

The guy was just wincing as he was saying it , somehow I don't guys like the former Fed CMO would have played along

More months of stand downs on the way for flight & cabin crew



WingNut60 12th Feb 2021 00:54


Originally Posted by Potsie Weber (Post 10988880)
A snap lockdown gives contact tracers a chance to try and get ahead of the virus and identify and quarantine those potentially at risk of having been exposed. That takes time. It’s a good idea, but the downside is that it is preceded by panic buying and people fleeing the lockdown area, which is not good for containment.

Now, with a lock-down imminent, the major supermarkets COULD initiate buying limits in advance.
But they won't, will they?

WingNut60 12th Feb 2021 00:58


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 10988874)
Maybe to keep Australia as one nation, rather than the 6 different micro-nations ....................

The hurdle to that is, not all of Australia wants to be moulded on the image of NSW.

jrfsp 12th Feb 2021 01:13

Melbourne airport cafe worker, worked 8 hour shift before testing positive....potentially spreading all around the country

SHVC 12th Feb 2021 01:19

So DA hard kick down again only 4 reason to leave home! Australian Open better be canceled now as it does not fall into the 4 reasons.

Buster Hyman 12th Feb 2021 03:41


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10988876)
It seems people just decide who to like/hate based on what political party the person involved belongs to and then they look for evidence solely to back up that position.

Unfortunately, whilst being correct in this statement, it still starts at the top. There was early consensus, a national Cabinet etc, but it has devolved along party lines in finger pointing and willy waving (for those with one). The point scoring and posturing is just phenomenal.

I doubt there's a legal pathway for the Feds to assume responsibility, but I'd be interested to know if the GG can have an impact here.

Sunfish 12th Feb 2021 04:03

The scary number, whose name I forget, is the reinfection time. The time from when a person is infected until they start infecting others. That number for "ordinary" Covid is something like 4-5 days. This new British variant that is causing us grief has a period of 48 to 72 hours.

That means that the victim is infectious before or at the same time as they develop symptoms.

The Five day lockdown is to enable the contact tracers to keep up with the virus. There are already about a thousand contacts isolating in Victoria.

What you should be concerned about is anyone who has traveled through terminal 4.

jrfsp 12th Feb 2021 04:14

I just cannot understand why we are continuing with this madness..how many more shutdowns will it take before quarantine is moved out of major cities

murder most fowl 12th Feb 2021 04:48


Originally Posted by jrfsp (Post 10988968)
I just cannot understand why we are continuing with this madness..how many more shutdowns will it take before quarantine is moved out of major cities

Scomo is a true politician. He won't stop international arrivals yet as it will make him look heartless and over the top. Let the states stuff up hotel quarantine until the people demand a change.

He used to blow up about border closures, now not a peep. It doesn't change anything and makes him look powerless compared to the premiers. He knows which way the wind blows.

SOPS 12th Feb 2021 05:08

I think a push for change is coming. To move HQ out of the cities.

rcoight 12th Feb 2021 05:50


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10988876)
....It seems people just decide who to like/hate based on what political party the person involved belongs to and then they look for evidence solely to back up that position.

With respect - and I sometimes agree with what you have to say - you are as guilty of this as anyone else here.

McLimit 12th Feb 2021 06:26

You Bloody Champion Glady's :ok: The voice of reason.

McLimit 12th Feb 2021 06:29


It seems people just decide who to like/hate based on what political party the person involved belongs to
Not me, I partially decide who I like and trust based on whether they're a liar.


and then they look for evidence solely to back up that position.
Plenty of evidence to back up my decision.


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