He wasn't alone, he was in quarantine with someone else, who has now been admitted into hospital care but yes not surprised this has gone to coroner

It doesn’t matter what “the science” says or what the unelected health bureaucrats say..our individual rights are not theirs to take away or alter. We are allowed to leave our houses, see who we want and move around freely. We are entitled to refuse a medical treatment without duress. Anything else is application of tyranny and must be resisted with maximum prejudice.

Actually, the US wasn't "One Nation Under God" until the late 1950s. The original 'Pledge of Allegiance, where that phrase has been inserted said for the prior 100+ years ".... one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all..."

Similarly, the Canadian Anthem (although it wasn't at the time) never said "...god keep our land, glorious and free..." but "Oh Canada, glorious and free..."

These bows to religious sycophancy seem to have sprung from the fervour surrounding the McCarthy era in the US (an attempt to distance themselves from the 'godless communists'). We now know that McCarthy effectively committed suicide having succumb to alcoholism to the point of apparently suffering liver failure and hepatitis.

I therefore view those 'god' statements the same as the vacuous contribution of the sad little fraction of a human that inspired them.

"A divide hermit nation for years to come".

Yeh. I'll put that in the same book of predictions as threads still extant on pprune from about 10 years ago, lauding the unrelenting genius of a man who's initials are JB, who was going to single-handedly build VA to the point where it destroyed the opposition. It certainly is interesting going back and reading all those comments from back then through the filter of the financial disaster that was left in said CEO's wake.

But hey, he got an AO for 'services to aviation' so I guess they must have all been correct.

Point being, what we predict flagrantly today, usually ends up not coming to fruition. Nothing is that bad and no one is that good.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it.......

Well actually NO! our unelected health bureaucrats don't enact anything, our elected leaders do that and yes they do have the right, as given to them by we the people. Any act of tyranny by you is against us the people. But I agree with resist with maximum prejudice.

Jumped the gun a bit their Zeta.

But if we had gone into lockdown, in what way would it have been McGowan's fault, as compared to someone else's?

https://humanrights.gov.au/our-work/...588.1628056931

This is the link to your rights, Article 12 agrees with you until item 3;

"The above-mentioned rights shall not be subject to any restrictions except those which are provided by law, are necessary to protect national security, public order (ordre public), public health or morals or the rights and freedoms of others, and are consistent with the other rights recognized in the present Covenant."

Unfortunately as soon as a public health order is issued, you can have your freedom of movement rights revoked. So yes, science and bureaucrats can take your movement rights away.

WRT to item 4, the government is not stopping Australians from returning, just making it very expensive and take time, which is into the grey abyss.

If that's Tyranny well its time to climb on ya horse and ride those redcoats out of town.

With regards to God and his place in America it was day one in the Declaration of Independence, and the purpose of leaving Europe by the pilgrims was for reasons of religious freedom among others..God and the creator were mentioned several times. The importance is that rights given by God cannot be taken away by mere men;


“When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed”

one of the greatest documents ever written

Ok then…..

.....

One of the greatest films ever made.

Talk about thread drift!!!!

The paper raises questions, but then mentions SARS-CoV (the SARS virus) and long covid in the same sentence. That ambiguity is more than a minor annoyance. If SARS-CoV2 does indeed behave like Dengue then the long term outlook is indeed bleak. However deciding to not be vaccinated based on avoiding a theoretical exploited immune response ignores the present danger the disease presents. The possibility of an ADE exploit should appear subsequently whether a person has been vaccinated or infected. If in fact the long term danger of a subsequent re-infection is the same, then at least the vaccine doesn’t lead to a potentially fatal pneumonia.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldn...-mask-outside/

is there an intelligence test to be a Queensland cop?

Not if Peter Dutton could get in.

Very unusual for apparently healthy people in their 20s to drop dead. There is the question of should he have been under closer medical care and would his death have been preventable.

Seems probable he had an undiagnosed heart condition and the COVID tipped him over the edge.

The bloke in his 20s who died in Melbourne around this time last year was also referred to the coroner.

well there obviously isn’t to be a Queensland Labor politician or chief health officer.

preventable??
absolutely thanks to Pfizer and Astra Zeneca but hey.

Sudden Cardiac Death in under 35s in Australia is about 1 in 30000. Not as unusual as you might think.

I was thinking that very thing when I read the part about him feeling tired, then not waking up. Covid is known to cause cardiac Myocarditis and heart failure can manifest as just fatigue at first.

Not entirely true, Pfizer is an mRNA Vaccine which has also caused Myocarditis in young males particularly under 25,mostly on the second dose, although the rate is 6 times less than that of actual covid caused heart problems. If this guy was susceptible to heart issues, the Pfizer vaccine may have also killed him.

I agree it was one of the greatest documents but it was nothing more than a justification for a war. The people who were involved in its authorship were (not only Thomas Jefferson) John Adams, Benjamin Franklin and Jefferson. All of them despised religion and Christianity in particular. One of them stated that this would be a better world if Christianity were not part of it, another declared lighthouses more useful than Churches.

The Australian Constitution (heavily based on the US, as the UK has never had a written and entrenched constitution and is not a federation as the Commonwealth of Australia and the United States ARE) only mentions 'god' in the preamble which is not specifically part of the Constitution but is part of the covering clauses. It is well known amongst those who have studied these things that it is ONLY there as a trade-off to the token religious whacko on the drafting committee, so as to allow the inclusion of s116 which dis-establishes religion.

The Declaration of Independence, whilst a phenomenal document, is irrelevant when it comes to the actual Government of the United States, which is under the Constitution of the United States, which does not mention god, not even once, other than in the First Amendment (by way of using the word 'religion') which declares "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of any religion..." etc.

Our own s116 practically mirrors that language as does much of the Australian Constitution.

It is clear, as the Treaty of Tripoli declared, that the "the Government of the United States is in no way based on the Christian religion..."

Your effort to 'graft' god and Christianity onto Western Society is vacuous. Our democratic principles and our law finds its origins in ancient Rome, Greek Philosophy and other sources. The fact we have a few laws which by coincidence along with the 'ten commandments' (depending on which version of the several on offer you choose from 'God's Big Book of Bad Ideas' - which also insists I subject both my daughters to death by stoning if they are not virgins when they wed) is nothing more than coincidence. The notion that people should not kill each other or steal were both notions evident in every society before Christianity was made up.

It really annoys me that people try to posit this theory that nothing was good before the fictitious Jesus allegedly existed (and I say 'fictitious' because there are numerous 'gods' before him that all supposedly rose on the summer solstice, walked on water, turned water into wine and died and resurrected. I mean do you really think people are that gullible), multiple minuscule details details available of everyone from Roman Prefects to the most minor officials are recorded at that time but the bloke who allegedly walked on water, turned water to wine and cured the sick, nada, zilch.

The US Founding Fathers knew they had to capture the entire population so they included some language to that effect but omitted much which would 'smack of the pulpit' too much.

They started the trend which has resulted in the world being the most peaceful it's been in a hundred years - not through Christianity but through the proliferation of SECULARISM, pioneered by the United States.

So, good effort but no cigar.

A bit of a thread drift, but it's fascinating the whole concept of the Gods in a post apocalyptic world when future generations refer to our hocus pocus stories when we were gods in flying machines that carried hundreds of people to distant lands that don't exist. How many generations would it take, before there just fanciful bedtime stories.

Also its important to note the differences so that you don't quote US rights when they don't apply in Australia. Such as free speech, which is worded differently, more in the right to hold an opinion. Also quite interesting that Australia chose to opt out of banning domestic use of racial hate speech and propaganda with regards to rights, although there are laws that cover hate speech.

Federation was mostly pushed for by businesses wanting to conduct cross border trade, as pre-1901 you needed to pass border control to pass between colonies such as NSW and Vic, including tariffs and everything you'd see between two different nations. The idea it was something done for the greater population alone is misleading. Victoria and Melbourne in particular had become wealthy and also xenophobic, they didn't want foreigners but they wanted trade to increase wealth and luxury goods especially from within Australia being of mostly all the same ancestry. The businesses also played on fears of invasion by nations such as Russia/France/Germany post Crimean war as Australia was barely protected by itinerant RN Vessels and had no significant navy or army of its own. So the reasoning behind Federation in Australia and Independence of the USA is a vastly different story with a very different set of 'founding fathers'.

It's sad that most Australians have more idea about the US system and history then what happened in the creation of Australia. Especially in the lead up to Federation, everyone knows there was a gold rush, but very few know the story and lessons to be learnt from what happened in Melbourne post gold rush as well. There are some good historical lessons about shunning the world and thinking you can live off limited wealth for ever.

This place really is PPRunNeapedia.

Come on guys back to pages & pages of endless stats to bluff the sheeple -) I enjoy reading the numbers waiting to die of this wildly infectious disease that will kill you, well according to the lunatic Andrews that is!-)

Well, breaking news

6 cases in Victoria overnight

Queensland will not re open on Sunday, not officially announced but someone from the AMA in qld said that this morning so I imagine at the qld govt press conference this morning with the goose and quack it will be announced.

also maybe another Victorian lockdown with those 6 cases. That’s me guessing.

4 cases of covid confirmed in two schools near Newcastle also. Students that is. 3 siblings at one school. So it is spreading…

Five!

That's the number of my friends or close acquaintances who have died FROM NOT WITH Covid-19 since the middle of June.
It's not just stats, Dick.

It's bad, real bad over there; There is a rising incidence in patients appearing to be doing ok with relatively mild symptoms, then after a week or two suddenly deteriorating, cough, vomit, bleed, die. That's new, do we have a breakout strain on our hands.

All your health bureaucrats do is use statistics to allocate resources all day..at least prior to Covid.

the symptoms you’re describing are typical for ADE or VADE.

“The United States’ Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) had received 1,226 reports of myocarditis following 296 million doses of mRNA vaccinesadministered up to June 11. This equates to a risk of roughly one in 240,000 doses. These cases were mostly in young men and predominantly occurred after the second dose.

Independently from vaccines, myocarditis occurs in roughly 23 per 100,000 peopleworldwide per year (we don’t have reliable figures for pericarditis). This shows us there’s a much lower risk from vaccination than exists in the population generally.”

1:240,000 chance of developing myocarditis from Pfizer. Almost all lived.

Im comfortable with my statement.

Well we havn't really finished first wave antics yet, the media have been calling the resurgences as 2nd/3rd waves, these are just lockdowns and re spreading of the similar strains of the original virus. Delta has the same MO as the original, just spreads faster. These are just small issues compared to if the virus adapts and decides it wants to become aggressive and attack more vigorously to survive. During the Spanish flu the true second wave was far more deadly and vigorous and attacked the young and healthy. Again the downside of letting a nasty virus run free, it allows greater chance for both worse or less deadly strains to mutate. The more spread the more chance of mutation for good or bad, then you leave it up to lady luck for survival.

I know you probably don't care, but that statement just rubs **** in the face of the families that have actually lost loved ones through no fault of their own.

Not saying in regard to the general public, just to this particular individual. The chance of Myocarditis is very low, however this guy may have had an underlying condition making him susceptible to it, therefore both covid and the Pfizer vaccine could trigger a problem or death in this one individual. A recent observational study focused on 12-18 years olds in particular found a much greater proportion had Myocarditis after second dose, also underlying from even mild covid exposure. Not necessarily causing death, but there is definitely something in that male age group in the USA that makes them far more likely to get it.

Myocarditis is the inflammation of the heart muscle, it swells and causes complications. If it becomes acute then similar to a heart attack can leave scarring on the heart, which may not have immediate consequences but will reduce the lifespan of the individual and complications as the heart ages. Basically you can lose large parts of your heart muscle to scaring and still live, however your maximum physical activity reduces and continues to reduce as the heart ages. This in turn means you are more susceptible to anything that stresses the body.

I don't know much about it myself but i ran it past the girls who were in VIC, volunteering, pre-vaccine and delta wasn't in the country at the time.
She says, he's quite right (matty) about ADE but that's not supposed to happen with either Covid-19 or it's vaccines, she didn't see any of those symptoms at the time.

262 cases, 5 deaths.

one week lockdown in the Hunter and upper Hunter area.

VADE has been the feature of ALL previous coronavirus vaccine attempts that have seen them scrubbed. Not saying it’s happening with these vaccines but anyone who has been vaccinated now had better hope not

Well, I'm much happier now I took my chances with the risk of blood clots with Astra Zeneca.

Myocarditis may be rare but it’s common enough for the FDA to put a warning on the label of Pfizer and Modernas vaccines:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/26/fda-...-vaccines.html

Gladys is going to lock down some regional areas from 5pm. She should have put road blocks around Sydney from the start. But this softly softly approach she has, is just letting it get out of control.

I have an even more serious concern. A breakout strain that dwarfs all existing effects of Covid.

Lots of guessing in that statement.
“Independently from vaccines, myocarditis occurs in roughly 23 per 100,000 peopleworldwide per year (we don’t have reliable figures for pericarditis). This shows us there’s a much lower risk from vaccination than exists in the population generally.”

”This included an in-depth review of 145 cases of myocarditis in the European Economic Area”

”In five cases that occurred in the EEA, people died.”
would suggest not.




I’m tipping this poor “particular individual” would have beaten the door down to get him some Pfizer if he had his time again. Especially since almost all cases of vaccine related myocarditis are mild.

Basically you’re saying
IF he had some precondition that MAYBE linked the vaccine to myocarditis, he MIGHT have developed Myocarditis and MIGHt have died from it despite almoast ALL case are mild. Seems like a long shot.
but I guess you’re right. Technically the vaccine might not have saved him. He also might have been struck by a meteorite

a very real concern seeing as this WuHu flu appears to be a bio weapon cooked up in the WuHu lab. With a little help from Fauci and others giving US funding.

Ever since antibody-dependent enhancement killed two toddlers in RSV vaccine trials in the mid-1960s it has been a front-of-mind consideration for all pharmaceutical companies developing vaccines. Because ADE manifests itself promptly upon a vaccinated host being exposed to infection it is relatively easy to spot; it generally manifests itself very early in the clinical trial process. And it stops the development of a vaccine dead in its tracks.

So far there have been over 4 billion doses of COVID-19 vaccines administered globally; documented cases of ADE is what? I'm not saying that there have been no cases but where's the data?