There’s not even a requirement to do an ID check for domestic travel, and they want them to check for correct passes? As someone else pointed out, how does airline staff verify the pass holders haven’t lied?

Actually he was pretty brutal towards the airlines in the presser, what did he say, taxpayers have been bailing out the airlines as such, so time for them to start doing something for us...

Perhaps it would just be easier to scrap Melbourne to Sydney flights at the moment all together. I recall last year only one flight a day between the pair at its worst.

Don't be surprised. That's standard from Dan. He doesn't understand business. He has never run a business. For him to talk about airline business is out
of his depth. He is a money counter, bean counter, he only knows politics and how to win elections. Westgate tunnel project will cost
us another 3.3 billion and no finish date.

Sounds like he’s doubling down on a stupid thought bubble and trying to shift the blame.

“I want a hard border but I’m not prepared to police a hard border”.

The CFMEU will guarantee that and more, why stop the gold plated gravy train for there members? They certainly have the country by its balls. Maybe airline unions could learn a thing or two.

Wait until you learn about gas and coal lobbying!

The vast majority of interstate travel this past 18 months for me has involved different police/DHS officers giving different instructions.
I saw a captain told to isolate for 14 days and the FO let go free.
Captain blew up and spoke to a supervisor from DHS who said he was fine to go.
and that’s officials only policing their own state rules.
How a 20 year old at check in is supposed to understand the daily evolving rules for the 8 other state/territories and police them is patently ridiculous.

They don't interpret the rules at all, the company mandates all passengers have ID checked prior to boarding, the check in officer just goes through the list of pre-boarding items that have to be checked for. Same time they are asking if you are carrying dangerous goods, physically assessing passengers for dangers, such as being intoxicated, aggressive behavior, etc, etc. The airline includes it in the ticket conditions of carriage. Checking a vaccination stub is a no brain activity, they have it or not, not like trying to identify a passenger that could possibly be sneaking a dangerous good on board, be drug affected or be up to no good. If not at check in, do it at boarding.

BTW, rights do not apply to airline travel in regards to this as airlines don't count as common carriers for the purpose of public transport, so they have the right to refuse travel of anyone.

Emperor of the West is wanting to make mandatory vaccination for NSW to enter his promise lands. If QF cant make it mandatory without being liable for side affects, would McGoose be held liable if I'm walking around peel and drop because I have had a reaction?

Rather than relying on airlines to interpret the mish-mash of border passes, perhaps the solution to pre-screening boarding passengers lies in the hands of the states themselves. If states want to have effective screening, they need a system similar to the TSA on flights to the USA - prior to entering the boarding area passenger passes are checked by representatives of the state of destination and fly/no-fly decisions are made there.
I’m not advocating for this sort of thing btw and I don’t see it being adopted, but if you make your bed, lie in it.

Last year when Vic was persona non grata everywhere, when paxing to WA, before security was a checkpoint where you had to show your G2G pass and boarding pass.

How it would affect the current arrangement where you can go through security domestically if not travelling I'm not sure, but just pointing out that there is a precedent. It wasn't run by the airlines IIRC.

Just find it amazing no one appears to think the person travelling has any responsibility for deciding whether they should travel or not - surely that should be where the buck starts and stops?

Can't see the problem with airlines doing it, simple adjustment to T&C, "no jab no fly" and documents checked at check in/boarding, exactly how its done to insure revenue for the flight. Have no proof, don't fly, better have good excuse or lose ticket, no refund, this is already done for other medical conditions that are prohibited for flight without a doctors cert. Cost to airline, Nada, as its already done for revenue assurance. In fact there's actual cost benefit to the airline as preventing spread of communicable diseases will save the company in sick leave costs overall.

Cost of setting up TSA style security at state/fed cost, $5-$20 per passenger head tax or from public tax revenue of similar amount.

What would I prefer? Pretty sure the answers obviously the free of cost option.

No point to having a vaccination passport. Israel, UK and Iceland, are reporting that Delta is spreading despite being vaccinated. The virus will spread whether you travel vaccinated or not.

Holy ****

When exactly is the peak of this thing?

The more you let a virus rip through communities the more chance it evolves/mutates into something worse. This is the real danger of letting things go...

That being said the death rate is much lower in the vaccinated currently so infection rate is not the prime concern there.

466 today. Reminds me of the old NSW numberplates: NSW - The First State!

What I find amusing, but moreso concerning, is the Armidale lockdown being extended by a week, despite there being zero cases detected up there since that Newcastle bird toured the area. But, as usual, it's "based on the health advice"

By that token, shouldn't Perth still be locked down? I mean, they had a positive case a while back. And Cairns too. When the health advice is consistent advice across the various CHO's and Premiers, people might start taking it seriously. But they can't get their stories straight, and that makes a mockery of the entire process.

I’m no expert but it will peak when things get really serious , hospitals become over capacity and deaths spike massively.
Probably 3-4000 cases a day is my guess.

Cairns has year round UV and a population that generally does the right thing. Whatever the perceptions of the FNQ population they wear masks when told to, scan in to places and stay home if they are sick.

It’s not the rules that are at issue in NSW, it’s the willingness of the the population to comply. Victoria leaned the hard way last year that you may think you’re the epicentre of the known world, but you still have to follow the rules. NSW are still learning…

Apparently they were seeing COVID-19 fragments in the local sewage for the first time and there was another case, their fourth, recorded in Armidale yesterday according to this reporting. They're highly unlikely to lift a lockdown under those circumstances.

Case numbers should not be the focus. About time these f&$kwits stopped with daily press conferences. They are drunk on the power and control. It’s hospitalisations etc that matter.

that said, at least it seems to be scaring the ‘hesitant’ into getting jabbed.

Gold standard

The 17% of "don't give a **** people" are in every state, that's why we can't have a half arsed lockdown, They wont do it if the people across the road are not locked down as well.
NSW problem is that with the greatest population comes the greatest number of them in that 17%.demographics will also play a role.

Someone mentioned 1st world medical response. If the case numbers rise to anywhere near 100 per day requiring ICU care, don't expect much more than sitting on a plastic chair strapped to an oxygen bottle.

Case rates can't be ignored until we reach a decent level of vaccination

Hospitalisations is a lagging factor, by the time you get one, 100 will be infected, by the time 20 of those are hospitalised, 1000 will be infected. Even case numbers require the virus to be circulating for about 2 weeks before you will have enough virus in your system to test "positive".

Deaths are the same, some don't pass away for several weeks after contracting the virus. So death rate today is roughly for case numbers 1-2 weeks ago, as are hospitalisations, and case numbers are for people infected up to 2 weeks before.

This is not some computer game where you have real time data, everything has already happened and will happen, the government is playing catch-up with the numbers. This was always why contact tracing within the community was going to fail in the long run. Prevention requires breaking the numbers before they occur, not chasing your tail for where it has been.

NSW is gone for months. There is no hope of getting in under control in the short term. Gold standard.

What purpose is there in a press conference everyday announcing case numbers? We will never get back to zero - forget it. So what the point of announcing case numbers?

Present the plan on the way out and how and when kids are going to get back to school. Probably only need one press conference a week.

oh that’s right it’s called Covid theatre.

If you're parked at home, locked down, not in the effected zone, then there probably isn't a need to know and it would get understandably tedious.
For those in the front line, essential services, do need that information in order to plan response needs and requirements. If it was only a need to know basis then the public would complain about that and draw all sorts of conclusions.

Conversely, how will the other States learn to live with COVID with elections in 2022? Elimination strategies can not last forever. Many Premiers keep using military jargon, the battle with COVID, we are on a war footing to eliminate blah blah blah. Well it's actually time some of us died for our country so we don't bankrupt our children' futures. A PLA naval task force couldn't do the economic damage misguided COVID policy has achieved. Enough is enough.

It's good to see that there are some among us willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for our country and fellow aussies. Do we have a job for you, we certainly do. Good on you.

Unfortunately the rest of the world has something to say about that, and if we actually did go gung ho just make money out of this over life, we would shoot ahead of the world and inflation would bite our arse back to 1989. But most likely we would be no better off with a lot more dead people. Fact is the rest of the world is in the same economic position we are, and most of them are ravaged by covid deaths on top of that. So what evidence is there that letting it rip will make us any better off?, none at all. All that would happen is that covid would kill more and we would be worse off again. The USA has proved this, mostly open, a lot died and its cost them over double per person than what it has cost Australia. USA still has 30% of its small business closed or in hibernation from 2019 numbers. We only had business closed during lockdowns. From how USA and the UK coffers look, dealing with an actual pandemic has cost them 2-4 times more than us hiding from it.

I've struggled to follow the meanings of your posts. Some of our States have an economically unsustainable, though political acceptable, policy of Elimination. Yours has always been a policy of Fear.

Australia has the means to come out of this pandemic yet many seem to lack the will. It's too cosy for many not affected.

43Inches - what a lot of bollocks.

The USA owes its death rate to ignoring the virus under trump. Since the vaccinations came online and Biden, the US are way ahead wrt to vaccination rates. The US is fully open. You DO NOT need a vaccination passport or even to be vaccinated to enter the US.

Studies are showing that Delta is infecting even vaccinated people. Lockdowns will not stop the infections. Excess deaths are the only metric that governments should be reporting. Gladys talking about people in there 90s dying of Covid is pointless. She even reported of a person in his 90s dying - Fully Vaccinated. Today she announced some poor person dying from Covid - oh but he was in palliative care .....

The Australian public is fed fear. End these bloody lockdowns. THE VIRUS IS HERE and we need to live with it. if you are scared of catching it, don't mix with the public.

Maybe just check the internet for the latest restrictions???

Covid theatre...

And … there goes all of NSW into lockdown for at least a week. Gladys had just been quoted as saying… All of Australia is now under threat.


Gold Standard.

Well it appears things have potentially deteriorated further within the last 24hrs.

Statewide shutdown from 5pm.

I don't follow your economic modelling. However, I did not say let it rip. I believe the politics of COVID elimination will be devastating by next year. Eventually some of us will have to die. Hopefully, vaccinations protect most. But this path is not sustainable, not for the economy, not for social cohesion, not for dealing with emerging security threats.

I don't think anyone will disagree with that, however the whole world is in the same boat, are we not better off learning from other countries first before taking risks that are not recoverable.

I may have said this before but it needs saying again

The world will NEVER EVER be what it was pre Covid.

If you can't accept that then I am sorry for you.

Have you been infected personally, are you a long covid sufferer, if the answers to that question is no, then go and get yourself infected, preferably while helping those that are.
Then come back and have this conversation, we'll see if you still follow the same line of learn to live with it, no matter what.