You know what else does not take into account the habits of each individual post vaccination, ... or such things like how the individual isolated? Stage III trials.

And do you know where the WHO got the 'efficacy of 63.09% against symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection' data from? From AstraZeneca's Stage III trials.

No, not really. It draws that 63.09 percent number exclusively and solely from AstraZeneca's Stage III trial findings.

Hemsworth or Damon?

Q - LINK FLIGHTS
 

We all know what a positive torture it is to fly with a cold.

Why would a Flight Attendant subject herself to the agony of numerous air pressure differentials when she has access to Sick Leave.

It didn’t sound right to me and inconvenienced a whole heap of passengers, and now, without explanation, this from Qld Health,

Close contacts update – 25 July 2021

The following flights are no longer considered to be a contact tracing location and have been removed from the close contacts list:

Sunday 11 July

• Flight QF2534 - Brisbane to Longreach
• Flight QF2535 - Longreach to Brisbane
• Flight QF2346 - Brisbane to Gladstone

Monday 12 July

• Flight QF2331 - Gladstone to Brisbane
• Flight QF2374 - Brisbane to Hervey Bay
• Flight QF2375 - Hervey Bay to Brisbane

Hmm, I thought stage III trials found AZ to be 67-77% efficacy, with peaks at 79%.

To meet someone who had driven down from Brisbane to pick you up because you can't fly directly into Brisbane without going via QPS?

But you can drive from Ballina back into QLD in a car with QLD plates and no one would be any the wiser.

Until you both test positive for Covid that is...

The WHO paper that they draw that efficacy of 63.09% (95% CI 51.81; 71.73) against symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection number from can be found here. It is just the aggregation of UK, Brazil and South African Stage III trials data.

From memory the US Stage III trial data was better again, likely as much due to the different prevailing conditions.

Stage three trials did however take a cross section of the community to a point. Not just focus on over 70s, so the numbers presented in that study only relate to that age group. That being said it is teh most vulnerable group so it's obvious why the focus.

So overall the phase 3 trials were the same result.

Also this study was done on subjects self assessing, phase 3 was subjects were clinically assessed.

and this;

I mean it is comparing Apples and Oranges anyway as the Phase 3 trials are overall from 18-90 year olds and this study is only 70+. Also phase 3 studied Asymptomatic as well as Symptomatic, where this study focused only on Symptomatic.

The vaccine still does most of what it should, is safe and anyone over 65 should take it ASAP given no other options.

That's where I got the peak of 79%. But yes the WHO data is based on the UK/Brazil trials.

PS I remember from the trials that there was some controversy over AZ not being trialed on many over 65, probably why this further study was taken.

More details are now surfacing around this one.

I wonder if that positive case worked for Virgin too? He was picked up from Ballina by a Brisbane based Virgin CC and she drove him illegally back over the border. She is now positive. They both need to resign.

They knew what they were doing.

If that’s true, they both should be in jail.

Was it not previously reported that it was QF Link flight attendant? Exposure sites BNE/LRE QF flights? Or unrelated case?

This Male and Female (Virgin) are unrelated.

I don’t believe they found the origin of the longreach case.

Hopefully Virgin deals with one or both of them pending his employment status.

As much as I agree, good luck with that.

The NSW removalists that were at the root cause of Vic locked down AGAIN and have caused BILLIONS of dollars of economic damage are unlikely to face charges. STRAYA- Fk Yeah!

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...035572dbd16143

Can someone call the PM just get him to stop talking. I am confused now, I thought getting the population vaccinated would abate the need for lockdowns, Scott Morrison appears to say otherwise.


Vaccines ‘not a substitute for a lockdown’: PM

Mr Morrison said vaccines were not the key to greater Sydney coming out of lockdown.

That is despite state premiers and health officials repeatedly telling the general public that getting a Covid-19 jab would be an eventual ticket to freedom.

“There‘s not an easy way to bring the cases down and it’s the lockdown that does that work,” Mr Morrison said.
https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/...1c6b?width=650An empty Pitt Street Mall in Sydney amid lockdown. Picture: Richard Dobson“The vaccines can provide some assistance, but they’re not what is going to end this lockdown.

Mr Morrison said he did not want it in “anyone’s mind that it replaces the principle tool, which is the lockdown”.

“It’s not a substitute for a lockdown. And you need to weigh up the effectiveness of that with the disruption to the broader vaccine program that could set other states and territories back some way in meeting their vaccination targets,“ he said.

“We need to get the whole country vaccinated. Those going through lockdowns, that‘s the principle way by which we’re able to bring the Delta variant under control in those cities.”

White noise. The state Premiers are deciding when to lockdown regions and borders.

Two jobs, Scotty.

Related to one of them, dunno which as both VA and Qlink have had positive hosties. This one crossed into ballina and picked up the male and drove him into qld. They both knew they were positive and went still went to dreamworld while knowingly sick

I think she is the QLink because there been some Qlink flights removed prior to him crossing in to QLD

This is the story behind the QLink F/A. She is going to have some explaining to her Managers and will be lucky to keep her job.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-...case/100321164

Why would you fly into Ballina? The fares are generally more expensive!
Surely they would not be attempting to avoid the authorities at Brisbane Airport? :=

My apologies. Newscorpse wrong again. This is what they said. Replace Virgin Flight Attendant with Qantas Flight Attendant and that solves that one.

A NSW who allegedly entered the sunny state, allegedly illegally, has been identified as the source of infection for a Virgin flight attendant who later tested positive for Covid-19.

The man flew from Sydney to Ballina on July 14, where he was picked up from Ballina airport in NSW by a Virgin flight attendant.

That’s not the case according to the direct quotes from Steven Miles.

“He was then collected from Ballina airport by the flight attendant that we reported positive in Queensland on Friday”. That’s the QLINK F/A.

If she knew he was supposed to be in isolation in NSW and knowingly aided him in avoiding police at Brisbane airport then, should she be charged and convicted, that would be the end of her ASIC and flying career.

It may explain why she took a week after becoming symptomatic to get tested.

She has potentially put at the risk the careers and livelihoods of hundreds of Queensland based colleagues, not to mention the health of all Queenslanders. It’s hard to find much sympathy, assuming of course that things have both transpired as reported and she knew he was supposed to be isolating in Sydney.

What a mess!! This could spread in QLD now.

Amazingly, they might have dodged a bullet given that he travelled on 12 July, 13 days ago and there don’t appear to have been any cases
linked to him apart from the F/A. Fingers crossed for a positive outcome for everyone’s sake.

Thats good news.

Thats a new way of describing it! Clearly masks are pointless when being infected with the Delta strain.

Amazing that one person (the F/A in question) can bring so much fear to so many, such an outcome the generals of past wars would loved to have had!

And I see the Tik Tok moron who was ‘predicting’ case numbers was at the protests. There really is no hope for NSW.. and aviation .

I thought you explained you were living remotely, hence your reluctance to rush vaccination?

Can we please change the title of the thread to Borders never to open . With the requirement for 3 monthly jabs, looking likely the novelty will wear off for most people leading to this groundhog day we are stuck in .
There is no solution only a delay in the inevitable. China will take over the world without destroying any infrastructure .

Because it's not a real lockdown.

For example
"It is also considered a reasonable excuse to leave your home if you need to ... move ... between your different places of residence"
Which means if you live in Epping and have a holiday home in Yamba, it's OK to move between them: you don't have to choose and stick with one or the other.

Also
"Businesses providing essential products and services that can be open include grocery stores including butchers, bakeries, fruit and vegetable, seafood
other food or drink retailers that predominantly sell or display food or drinks
kiosks and other small food and drink premises
banks and financial institutions
hardware, building supplies
landscaping material supplies
agricultural and rural supplies
shops that, in the normal course of business, operate as or sell and display
pet supplies
newsagents
office supplies
liquor stores
post offices
garden centres and plant nurseries
vehicle hire premises, not including the premises at which vehicles are sold;
shops that predominantly carry out repairs of mobile phones
laundromats and drycleaners."

For contrast, none of those retail businesses were open in NZ during our "Level 4" lockdown. The only ones allowed to open were supermarkets, pharmacies and service stations. If you wanted meat or vegetables, you had to buy what the supermarket was offering, the specialty shops were shut.

And IMO, that's the problem with NSW at the moment,

"It is also considered a reasonable excuse to leave your home if you need to ...
move ... between your different places of residence"
"It is also considered a reasonable excuse to leave your home if you need to ...
move ... between your different places of residence"

ummm.. not me. I’m fully vaxed. Think you are confusing me with someone else.

And that is the reason that the NSW Govt tried to keep the economy ticking over in previous breakouts, unlike Vic with a full lockdown.
That worked with the earlier strains of Covid as in the Northern Beaches.
Everyone was lauding the "Gold Standard" of NSW, localised containment while keeping the State open.

But the Delta strain has a different play book.
We are ALL learning as time goes on.

We just need the Richard Craniums out there to follow the advice of the CMOs.



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Errr! No, The only people that was lauding NSW as the Gold Standard was NSW. Our states medical professionals which were helping out in Vic at the time thought NSW was reckless and predicted to fall, it just took a bit longer than expected that's all.

The personification of COVID-19 has gone to hysterical levels. I did not know viruses had playbooks. But then you learn all kinds of stuff on this site. I thought 'Platinum' was the highest standard.

Perhaps when the CHO's themselves can come to some sort of agreement about what constitutes a hotspot, or a lockdown, people will begin to listen. But right now, the only message that seems to be getting out there is either: "Don't take the AZ vaccine if you want to live!" or "If you're rich enough, you're not as much of a risk as a pauper, so come to Queensland and spend your money here!"

There's absolutely zero consensus among these so-called 'experts' that we're being implored to listen to, and that's a massive problem, not only for the Government and their vaccination message, but Australia as a whole, because apart from having a marketing guru swan off to Hawaii in the middle of a crisis, we're now a half-dozen individual nations each with their own definitions, rules, standards and procedures to gain entry.

Consider Gladys' request for some states to give up a portion of their vaccines to allow NSW to get more vaccinations going - which state said "Sure, here's some of ours!" McGowan said "Get stuffed, it's allocated on aper capita basis and you're not having ours", Anna-Stayaway said similar. Guess NSW should have been enforcing international arrivals and air-freight throughput as a function of their percentage of Australian's too, rather than taking, at times, 2/3rds of international arrivals and (I think I read - happy to be corrected) 75% of all incoming airfreight.

My Apologies. Struggling to keep up with so many protagonists.

Someone did say get stuffed to a vaccine request, it was.......

Speaking to radio hosts Kyle Sandilands and Jackie O, Berejiklian was asked about the idea that Victoria – at that point in a lockdown with both Kappa and Delta variants circulating – might want some of “our” doses. “No, they can’t,” she says.
“Why does everyone look to us to save their own stupid decisions?” Sandilands asks. “I can’t comment on that,” Berejiklian sighs, as if she would very much like to.

And just so everyone can see it for real, the relevant footage starts at 2:30 in. Also great to hear is the smuggest talk right after about how NSW people “are doing the right thing”......:yuk:


At times, but overall NSW and WA have been the states with the highest proportion of arrivals per capita with roughly similar figures. Both eclipsed per capita by the NT arrivals into Howard Springs however.

NSW and WA are about 50% higher than SA and Qld, with Victoria in 6th.

Which state is that Xeptu? Not WA I hope (“swan downunder”). Their health system is in a complete shambles and should not be throwing stones across the borders

She says "I can't" not "they can't". A subtle and possibly significant difference. And then points out the federal government was already sending more AZ to Victoria. But she did herself no favours in the rest of the interview. If the federal government is distributing the vaccines then surely they can decide how they're allocated to each state.

The problem is a lack of Pfizer and yet…

The Health Ministry will destroy at least 800,000 expiring coronavirus vaccine doses if no buyers are found for them in the next two weeks, according to a report Monday.

The doses of the Pfizer-BioNtech vaccines, set to expire at the end of July, are worth hundreds of millions of dollars, according to the Kan public broadcaster.

Israel’s search for a taker for the shots come as many countries are expanding their vaccination drives to combat the fast-spreading Delta variant of the coronavirus, which has sent case numbers in some places soaring.

Israel has some 1.4 million shots that will expire at the end of July, but hopes to use 600,000 of them to vaccinate 300,000 teens ages 12 to 15 by then, Kan reported, without attributing the information to a source.

Israel is reportedly in talks with several countries to either purchase the vaccines, or take them in exchange for vaccines they had been set to receive later, which will instead go to Israel. The report did not name the countries.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel...ovid-vaccines/

NT government is now telling any Territorian that is currently in NSW to come home now. I can hear a full border closure coming.

In other news, I see that some experts are saying the Sydney lockdown might have to go on until Christmas. When are people going to realise that.. stay at home… means STAY AT HOME!!!

PM is doing no favors either he said on the 23rd that lockdowns will be the primary means of controlling covid even with high vaccination rates. Premiers May control the states, he still controls the international border.