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Originally Posted by ozbiggles
(Post 11051584)
I see you are still looking for your dummy!
Ozbiggles seriously Fake news. Bull**** science. Flawed logic. False information. |
Originally Posted by blubak
(Post 11051586)
The original case came from SA hotel quarantine so im guessing the media will get stuck into Marshall just like they would into Andrews if it was a case escaping from Vic hotel quarantine,im guessing no chance.
Why would they when the “original case” arrived in Victoria back on the 4th May. He even got tested on May 10th after developing symptoms. So since then it’s been a Victorian problem. It’ll be a Victorian failure when their contact tracing is unable to keep up as well!! How many chances has Victoria had to prove their incompetence? Plenty so far. |
Travel insurance
Just to put another rumour to bed....
You CAN get travel insurance right now, even with COVID coverage. Despite what some of you keep insisting, a quick google search shows: Not only do airlines offer it as part of the ticket!! - Emirates - Fly Dubai Insurers: - AIG - staysure - AXA (with 20% discount if you’re vaccinated) That was what I found in a quick 30 sec Google search. If you take your head out of the sand, the rest of the world is actually trying to find a way forward. We will be left behind with the current “zero risk” approach. Nothing in life is “zero risk”. |
Originally Posted by aviation_enthus
(Post 11051672)
Just to put another rumour to bed....
You CAN get travel insurance right now, even with COVID coverage. Despite what some of you keep insisting, a quick google search shows: Not only do airlines offer it as part of the ticket!! - Emirates - Fly Dubai Insurers: - AIG - staysure - AXA (with 20% discount if you’re vaccinated) That was what I found in a quick 30 sec Google search. If you take your head out of the sand, the rest of the world is actually trying to find a way forward. We will be left behind with the current “zero risk” approach. Nothing in life is “zero risk”. So Ozbiggles and Dyslexicod have both been discredited by a little research and a strong bull**** meter. Credibility ZERO. |
From the Good2Go travel insurance website:
If you are purchasing a new Domestic Travel Insurance policy on or after 25 November 2020, the following is a summary of what is covered and not covered for COVID-19. Due to the widespread media reports on COVID-19, and the World Health Organization (WHO) announcement declaring COVID-19 a pandemic, COVID-19 is a foreseen or known event. Therefore, subject to the paragraph below, any losses for trip cancellation, trip delay and/or additional expenses caused by or due to COVID-19 are not considered unexpected, unknown and/or unforeseeable, and will not be covered under the terms and conditions of all Leisure Travel Insurance policies underwritten by AIG Australia Limited. However, if you are diagnosed with COVID-19 after the purchase of an individual Leisure Travel Insurance policy and such diagnosis is made prior to departure, you will be covered for trip cancellation, provided you have a valid, confirmed and documented diagnosis at the time of departure. If you are diagnosed with COVID-19 while on a covered trip, you will be covered for additional expenses, provided you have a valid, confirmed and documented diagnosis and provided your trip was not in conflict with any state, territory, federal government or health authority travel advisory, restrictions or warnings. However, such coverage is always subject to you meeting all other terms and conditions of your policy........
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Originally Posted by aviation_enthus
(Post 11051672)
Just to put another rumour to bed....
You CAN get travel insurance right now, even with COVID coverage. Despite what some of you keep insisting, a quick google search shows: Not only do airlines offer it as part of the ticket!! - Emirates - Fly Dubai Insurers: - AIG - staysure - AXA (with 20% discount if you’re vaccinated) That was what I found in a quick 30 sec Google search. If you take your head out of the sand, the rest of the world is actually trying to find a way forward. We will be left behind with the current “zero risk” approach. Nothing in life is “zero risk”. You can get Croc Insurance in the NT. https://www.traveller.com.au/covid19...losures-h1v1rc |
Originally Posted by dysslexicgod
(Post 11051702)
From the Good2Go travel insurance website:
Troo believer and Aviation Enthusiast, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. None of you know about "fine print" do you? Didn't think so. As I said earlier, if Covid19 killed 20 somethings and thirty somethings like you, and not your parents and grandparents, you would be screaming from the rooftops for total lockdown. You will have to wait for your inheritance a little longer my friend. Besides that, why would ANY Australian travel insurer even bother offering COVID coverage when Australians are banned from travelling overseas?? Want fine print??? (From the Emirates INCLUDED travel insurance) What you are covered for: We will pay up to the amount shown in the table of benefits for the necessary and reasonable costs as a result of You becoming ill (including due to any Epidemic or Pandemic), being injured or dying during Your Trip. https://www.emirates.com/ae/english/...vel-insurance/ https://c.ekstatic.net/ecl/documents...AXks7Yecg7Fk1Q Oh and I’m perfectly happy to wait for my inheritance.... Trying to point out some common sense seems to require more patience though! |
Originally Posted by aviation_enthus
(Post 11051723)
Great, you found a couple of Australian travel insurers that don’t cover COVID. Completely ignored the facts (and companies) I referenced to prove otherwise.
Besides that, why would ANY Australian travel insurer even bother offering COVID coverage when Australians are banned from travelling overseas?? Want fine print??? (From the Emirates INCLUDED travel insurance) What you are covered for: We will pay up to the amount shown in the table of benefits for the necessary and reasonable costs as a result of You becoming ill (including due to any Epidemic or Pandemic), being injured or dying during Your Trip. ! It is no different with this insurance - the stuff I need covered post Covid is not covered only if I get sick or injured. I have lost a number of things on trips in the past 15 months ___ None of your "new insurances" would cover those losses, as I was not sick or injured by it. |
Originally Posted by dysslexicgod
(Post 11051702)
From the Good2Go travel insurance website:
Troo believer and Aviation Enthusiast, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. None of you know about "fine print" do you? Didn't think so. As I said earlier, if Covid19 killed 20 somethings and thirty somethings like you, and not your parents and grandparents, you would be screaming from the rooftops for total lockdown. You will have to wait for your inheritance a little longer my friend. BTW, How’s the Cherokee going. |
Phew! It’s a good thing that I can read occasionally. Enthusiast: The Emirates policy does not cover Australian ticket holders in the associated list and in any case. read general exclusions 13 and 22.. If the government says “don’t travel” and you do, well, you are SOL.
‘’I’m amazed at how trusting you are of insurers. Me? Not much. ‘’Sorry but I have to go and chase a wombat off my lawn. P.s. I’d love a Cherokee if I could find one. Last I heard, sales of light aircraft and experimental kits were booming, as are caravan and 4WD, nobody is spending on international travel, but that is off topic. |
Originally Posted by dysslexicgod
(Post 11051811)
Phew! It’s a good thing that I can read occasionally. Enthusiast: The Emirates policy does not cover Australian ticket holders in the associated list and in any case. read general exclusions 13 and 22.. If the government says “don’t travel” and you do, well, you are SOL
Also the fact the Australian government bans ALL international travel is sort of the point of this thread.... If they allowed you to leave there are actually a growing number of countries that will let you in. Besides, the point I was trying to make was that you CAN get travel insurance with COVID coverage.
Originally Posted by dysslexicgod
(Post 11051811)
‘’I’m amazed at how trusting you are of insurers. Me? Not much.
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Originally Posted by aviation_enthus
(Post 11051664)
No chance!
Why would they when the “original case” arrived in Victoria back on the 4th May. He even got tested on May 10th after developing symptoms. So since then it’s been a Victorian problem. It’ll be a Victorian failure when their contact tracing is unable to keep up as well!! How many chances has Victoria had to prove their incompetence? Plenty so far. |
Indications are that Victoria goes into lockdown shortly.
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Yep, lets all start drinking more, driving faster, take more drugs and breaking more rules because we are all going to die sometime....that is your projection, not some CMO which you seem to think you are smarter than. Aviation (to come back a little closer to topic) is all about risk mitigation. Damn the torpedoes full speed ahead doesn't work in a Pandemic. Drinking isn't banned, driving fast isn't banned, just taxed, injecting rooms are ok in Brett Sutton land. Cancer kills many more people in Australia, but we havent banned sunbathing, smoking or red meat - you're argument is pure 'whataboutery'. How about we all get vaccinated and open up, and those that are scared little bunny wabbits give up work and lock themselves away? |
Originally Posted by dysslexicgod
(Post 11052048)
Indications are that Victoria goes into lockdown shortly.
once again the grossly incompetent Victorian tracing systems has stuffed up … |
Originally Posted by aviation_enthus
(Post 11051822)
Also the fact the Australian government bans ALL international travel is sort of the point of this thread.... If they allowed you to leave there are actually a growing number of countries that will let you in. |
once again the grossly incompetent Victorian tracing systems has stuffed up … |
Originally Posted by Foxxster
(Post 11052064)
yes seems like a 7 to 10 days lockdown. Up to 25 new cases. And meanwhile Victorians are racing to cross into NSW and potentially spread the virus to Sydney.
once again the grossly incompetent Victorian tracing systems has stuffed up … These are facts,you are just assuming the contact tracing system is stuffed because it suits your political agenda. How stuffed is scomos vaccination system,he prefers to make himself look like the fool he is with embarrasing photo opportunities. |
Hey Citizen Blubak,
please pass on my regards for a speedy recovery next time you see your glorious chairman. |
Originally Posted by minigundiplomat
(Post 11052081)
Hey Citizen Blubak,
please pass on my regards for a speedy recovery next time you see your glorious chairman. Hes a hero. |
Originally Posted by blubak
(Post 11052078)
More like the selfish public has stuffed up,people that think qr codes dont apply to them,people that think wearing a mask on public transport doesnt apply to them & people who think they are above any law they dont like.
These are facts,you are just assuming the contact tracing system is stuffed because it suits your political agenda. How stuffed is scomos vaccination system,he prefers to make himself look like the fool he is with embarrasing photo opportunities. from the March lockdown Victoria’s highly touted new digitised contact-tracing system has been hindered by defects since it went live in January, with flaws so serious that tracers stopped calling close contacts during a crucial period just days before the state went into lockdown last month. A Health Department source told The Sunday Age contact tracing calls to close contacts had to be paused for hours on February 8 after it was discovered tracers had been given the wrong list and were calling people linked to a cluster at a Thai restaurant in Black Rock in January, rather than those potentially exposed to coronavirus cases in active outbreaks. numerous reports this morning of stuff ups. But keep deflecting to Scomo to suit your political agenda. How many did Dan kill.. over 800 wasn’t it. as for the selfish public. It is up to the state government to enforce QR codes and mask wearing etc. |
I’m no fan of Daniel Andrews, but what the hell is this?
Originally Posted by Foxxster
(Post 11052097)
How many did Dan kill.. over 800 wasn’t it.
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Originally Posted by ruprecht
(Post 11052100)
I’m no fan of Daniel Andrews, but what the hell is this?
don’t try and play cute |
Originally Posted by minigundiplomat
(Post 11052054)
It's ok to be a scared little bunny wabbit - we'll keep you safe from the scary killer virus.
Drinking isn't banned, driving fast isn't banned, just taxed, injecting rooms are ok in Brett Sutton land. Cancer kills many more people in Australia, but we havent banned sunbathing, smoking or red meat - you're argument is pure 'whataboutery'. How about we all get vaccinated and open up, and those that are scared little bunny wabbits give up work and lock themselves away? Where did I say banning any of those things or mention elimination? They are all risked manged just like the Covid19 response is. But I'm not being fair. I should wait until your children are home to help you with your response. |
Originally Posted by Foxxster
(Post 11052101)
don’t try and play cute
Mate, I don’t live in Victoria, and even if I did I wouldn’t be voting for Andrews. Maintain the rage, though: you’re doing a cracking job. |
WA border closed to Victoria as of 10.00 am WST today. Only people with special exemptions will be allowed in. Don’t know what happens if you are already in the air.
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Originally Posted by blubak
(Post 11052078)
More like the selfish public has stuffed up,people that think qr codes dont apply to them,people that think wearing a mask on public transport doesnt apply to them & people who think they are above any law they dont like.
These are facts,you are just assuming the contact tracing system is stuffed because it suits your political agenda. How stuffed is scomos vaccination system,he prefers to make himself look like the fool he is with embarrasing photo opportunities. How many inquiries have found the Victorian contact tracing system to be inadequate? How many inquiries have found the Victorian hotel quarantine system inadequate? QR code’s? Why has it taken Victoria 6 months longer than NSW to implement this? If you want to talk about the facts, at least acknowledge the massive weaknesses reported in the Victorian Governments OWN reports!! That’s not a “political agenda”. While we are on that topic, every single state has had an outbreak from hotel quarantine. It’s only Victoria that has failed the follow up contact tracing. Scomo also has a lot to answer for with the slow vaccine rollout. The way it’s setup is to complicated and hard to access. |
My son went to use a QR code at a place in Victoria yesterday and it was an ineligible version (non gov version) and wouldn’t let him do it. The business sort just shrugged it off and didn’t assist.
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Originally Posted by Foxxster
(Post 11052064)
yes seems like a 7 to 10 days lockdown. Up to 25 new cases. And meanwhile Victorians are racing to cross into NSW and potentially spread the virus to Sydney.
once again the grossly incompetent Victorian tracing systems has stuffed up … |
Originally Posted by blubak
(Post 11052078)
More like the selfish public has stuffed up,people that think qr codes dont apply to them,people that think wearing a mask on public transport doesnt apply to them & people who think they are above any law they dont like.
These are facts,you are just assuming the contact tracing system is stuffed because it suits your political agenda. How stuffed is scomos vaccination system,he prefers to make himself look like the fool he is with embarrasing photo opportunities. |
Originally Posted by jrfsp
(Post 11052158)
I mean the stuff up is back on HQ, this is the 17th leak in 6 months.....
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Been in TAS and SA in the last few weeks. Both have respectable contact tracing systems. You cant get out of the arrival hall in Hobart without "checking in", SA requires pre approval from Police and a border check. Both are serious about QR codes everywhere to the point where retailers wont serve you unless you have checked in.
Victoria? La! La! La! No border checks and a broken and unenforced QR system. Dan Andrews is an idiot. Suggestion now is that seven days won't be enough. |
And we're about to repatriate people from India back into HQ....what could possibly go wrong.
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Originally Posted by dysslexicgod
(Post 11052048)
Indications are that Victoria goes into lockdown shortly.
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Vaccinate, Vaccinate, Vaccinate.
Its not that hard a concept, yet some people here in Oz are borderline simpletons. |
Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist
(Post 11052240)
Vaccinate, Vaccinate, Vaccinate.
Its not that hard a concept, yet some people here in Oz are borderline simpletons. because I hope you aren’t talking about AstraZeneca. If so better have a stern word to the chook in Qld. She wants the Pfizer. So you can’t blame the general populace if our dear leaders, well at least one and her health chief aren’t prepared to get it. |
Originally Posted by Foxxster
(Post 11052248)
which one.
because I hope you aren’t talking about AstraZeneca. If so better have a stern word to the chook in Qld. She wants the Pfizer. So you can’t blame the general populace if our dear leaders, well at least one and her health chief aren’t prepared to get it. |
Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist
(Post 11052240)
Vaccinate, Vaccinate, Vaccinate.
Its not that hard a concept, yet some people here in Oz are borderline simpletons. |
Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist
(Post 11052251)
The chook and her chihuahua are simpletons. Anyone who reckons they’re anything other than a couple of clowns also falls into the same category!
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Originally Posted by Troo believer
(Post 11052288)
Correct. They don’t understand science nor statistics. Vaccination IS the only way out. Otherwise you are just pissing into the wind. Sorry Ladies.
We will need to accept a number of deaths, while this will be no different to other diseases it will be a difficult sell for the government when unlike the rest of the world we are not used to it. Don't expect to open the border until after the election. |
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