From what I've read it popped its head up in early trials of some vaccines on animals. Those vaccine paths were quickly terminated and have nothing to do with current approved vaccines, at least AZ or Pf.

So far to date, there's not evidence of ADE at all in current vaccinations, and yes studies have been conducted as it is a serious question. However there is a slim possibility of say next years strain being different, and that may or may not be an issue depending on who you ask.

Not guessing, just how medicine is, it's not absolute. I'm definitely not anti vax, but just pondering why this case could be different.

In regard to Myocarditis, mild cases would probably not even be known unless you present symptoms. So the difference of numbers between diagnosed and undiagnosed would be very high. The study founded diagnosed acute Myocarditis was found in 0.9% of covid recovered males aged between 12 and 18 and the rate of vaccine related was surmised at 1/6th of that. To diagnose this you would need x-ray, echocardiogram, MRI or such and means the patient would most likely have to display symptoms without being admitted and these procedures are costly if not paid for by the study. ECG could detect abnormal rythym but that's not guaranteed. The younger folk may never know they had a case of this until they get some other issue and find scarring on the heart muscle. A bit of shortness of breath or tiredness whilst already known to be fighting a virus, you could easily over look it.

Last but important point, Myocarditis is a result or reaction to having a virus, so first you have to be in the under 30 group it mostly affects, then have a particular virus that aggravates the heart and then be in the group susceptible to this condition. So the numbers are not going to be huge, you would hope. If they were Covid would be killing young people very efficiently.

Was plenty of good evidence around the ring of steel approach in highly dense regions. Just look at Melbourne and Geelong last year. Sydney/Gong/Hunter areas no different.

Looks like Victoria will lock down again.

Source? or are you just scaremongering again with glee from the comfort of the lucky state?

the lucky state? Or just the state that does f@&ing nothing and points fingers at others, and claims they ‘managed’ thus well.

No. I read it here.

https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...54853620d80fd8

And while we are at it, here is an example of why NSW is in so much trouble.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-...each/100348962

maybe calm down. If you aren’t at least half expecting another lockdown then you probably need to change your thinking.. especially since.

in the days leading up to the lockdown, there was one case recorded on the 14th and two cases reported on the 13th. The fifth lockdown was announced on July 14

and today..Six locally transmitted Covid-19 cases were confirmed on Thursday morning, with three of those infections unlinked, sending contact tracers scrambling.

Two more cases, which have not been included in today’s numbers, were also announced during Thursday’s press conference. This brings the total of new cases to eight.

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You do seem to jump on here as soon as the daily news comes out so you can **** can the rest of the country’s performance.

It looks like that Victorian lockdown is happening, could be called this evening and extend until at least Monday.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/vict...05-p58fze.html

I find these drawn out decisions on lockdowns curious - no doubt the roads to Qld are busy and the flights are full. Last time they locked down Cairns was awash with Vic plates.

And confirmed, Melbourne entering its 6th lockdown, expected to last a week.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/vict...05-p58fze.html

Just over 24 hours ago…

And in other news!

At least 17 wedding quests have been killed after being hit by several bolts of lightning in Bangladesh. The Bride and Groom also sustained injuries along with 14 others.

Just to bolster up those chances of being struck by lightning statistics :)

So are the serial posters here who support the lunatic Govt happy now Vict is once again being locked up?
This time next year during lockdown #15 I wonder if there will be enough of us left standing able to post? -)

Mate, no-one wants lockdowns, nobody thinks it's funny. But they are necessary, what would u rather have, 7 day lockdown or weeks and months.
It's tough we have all been through them, but what is the alternative, you tell us.

Ahh get everybody vaccinated ? What’s so hard to understand?

watch the death rate start to really bite in NSW. It's painful but necessary and no one wants to end up like NSW.

Tasmania has just closed its border to Victoria.

And if you go to the NT from Greater Melbourne it’s 2 weeks HQ at your own expense.

This is not looking good.

Australia what a country. FFS these inept premiers and PM all bickering wanting the most air time. I bet another pointless national cabinet will be held tomorrow

Lockdowns haven’t had any measurable benefit anywhere they were tried..masks neither..why don’t you try doing something else..something that works

I’m afraid Lockdowns will be around until early next year. I understand it sucks but there’s no point resisting. We are now
experiencing what pretty much every country around the world has found. No single country has controlled Delta, I’m actuallly
embarrassed we thought we could rein it in. Typical arrogant idiots that though we were the best. We lost the chance and now are
about to pay for it big time.

Except everywhere in Australia that is not Sydney and surrounds.

Melbourne has beat it down twice, this will be the third, WA has kept it out, as well as SA Tas and NT, and mostly QLD.

Only the state full of halfwits that can't follow simple instructions called NSW is losing it for us. And again a heap of people thinking Sydney is 'all' of Australia.

But at least there has been a few interesting posts proving maybe they should have mental asylums reopened to care for those that can't cope with the real world, especially if Dan makes any announcements.

I posted this link earlier and I doing it again.. how hard is it for these people to follow simple instructions???

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-...each/100348962

Pretty sure I saw it stated by the federal government that lockdowns/border closures, or various levels of them, will very likely be around for a lot longer than early next year unfortunately.

Sorry, but what the hell is 'VADE'....... I've watched and read a lot about COVID and I have never seen that abbreviation. Perhaps consider carefully when using such abbreviations whether or not people will understand what you're on about....

So Dan brought out the same speech. It's better to have a 7 day lockdown than a 3 month lockdown.
We know now a 3 day circuit breaker is effectively a 2 week lockdown. A one week lockdown,
is effectivly a 3 week lockdown. Disregard the WHOs advice that a lockdown is only meant to bend the cure.
The Vic health experts (the best ones in the world) want to eliminate and squash. Ask a 10 yo that.

Elimination is done. The East Coast is stuck with yo-yo lockdowns for the rest of the year and Sydney is done for the year. This will be one of the most miserable places on earth to be in for the next half however the end is not far off folks hang in there.

19 months into this thing. 6 to run.

Yes, but on every occasion he's said the period of time and noted it could end earlier or could go longer as the figures are monitored daily and throughout the day.

People are quick to criticize Dan Andrew's but I'd like them to point to one other Premier in this country that has accomplished what they said they would and in his case, at least one major project was ahead of schedule in late 2019 which is why the people of Victoria overwhelmingly re-elected his government at the last State election, only outstripped by the resounding victory of McGowan in WA. The difference between a Honda Civic and the WA Liberal Party is that a Honda Civic has twice as many seats.

Vaccine-Enhanced Disease Enhancement. The latest thing people who have no idea what they are talking about will tell you to convince themselves that the COVID vaccines are dangerous (after finding out about it on their Aunty Doris’ Facebook timeline).

Vaccine-associated disease enhancement (VADE), a less commonly used term derived from the more commonly used vaccine-associated enhanced disease (VAED). It's closer to Vader, so possibly chosen as the more "sinister" alternative.

Over 4 billion SARS CoV-2 vaccine doses administered; number of reports of either antibody-dependent enhancement or vaccine-associated disease enhancement?

And a heap of people thinking Fairfield is ‘all’ of Sydney.

The media love to show evil unmasked walkers at Cronulla/Bondi/Manly, but it sure isn’t those folks spreading it.

Gladys’ mistake was thinking that all people are as rule abiding as her local constituents. It’s racist to have cops in Fairfield so we stick our head in the sand and hope that if Kerry Chant begs hard enough they’ll finally stay home.

This is taking a silly turn.

ADE can happen to any antibodies, naturally created or vaccine created.

So this year you could get Covid and next year it lets its mutant cousin in for revenge.

OR

The same could happen with a vaccine.

The main difference is that the vaccine has been made specifically to avoid ADE. ADE is not a new concept, it is understood, and is part of the trials. Any early stage vaccines that showed potential for ADE were scrubbed and the replaced.

Again, this is people reading a topic briefly, assigning it to something that they don't understand. If you really want to know, read in depth why ADE is unlikely, especially in relation to Covid vaccines.

Only a few viruses are capable of taking advantage of ADE anyway, Dengue being one of them as it rotates itself through 4 different strains, which specifically take advantage of antibodies to gain access. If Covid shows to be one of those, get set for some bad times and even more importance on not getting the virus in the first place. Anyone that knows how dengue operates and gets worse with each occurrence would know how that turns out.

We are a victim of our own success. We as an island have kept as much of the virus out by closing borders. All the premiers are
now brain washed and will want zero all the time. Zero is in their DNA. Scomo wants 70% though will the states comply. That is
the question. When 70% is achieved cases will skyrocket, some will still go to hospital, ICU, though will the premiers allow that.
They have no choice to open the whole country, they need to change that DNA from zero to living with it.

Actually the premiers have been pretty much the same line for over a year now. Lockdowns until vaccinations reach appropriate levels and then good luck. Sydney just played with fire a few days too long and burnt the house down.

I thought VADE was LUK’s dad…

Well that's not a politicians call is it, that decision is on us the people. We need to have the conversation, it'll be the most watched Q&A session of all time I would think.

Our girls volunteered to help VIC in it's time of need and all of them came home infected, a good many of yours too. Mine are still affected from it, Long Covid they call it.
They can't be vaccinated yet, I don't know enough about it to tell u why, but in any case we have made our decision and I know we're not alone that we cannot be infected a second time,
So we have a very well organised bugout plan should that become necessary. one of the issues was the feeling of walking away from people in need, the ICU is the very last line of defence. My pitch to them to make them feel better is that you can't help anyone if your incapable yourself.
What you have written here in the last few hours gives us confidence our plan is sound and we should'nt worry too much about those that don't care anyway.

I'm surprised I haven't read of your daughters' noble service in the media? It would be quite a story. And with respect, the story could be slanted toward a sensationalist article which appears to be the flavour of Australia's media and the pandemic.

I truly admire young Aussies giving service. It's so pure and honest though often corrupted by those older and in power. It should be heartbreaking the numbers of veterans taking their own lives for instance.

What do you want? Australia's borders closed for another year? Longer?

I googled it but couldn't find a definition so thanks for the reply.