Australia has huge amounts of AZ in reserve, that is not an issue, so much so Morrison has given away 5 million doses to the Pacific. It's also made in Melbourne now. The article is a disingenuous propaganda piece trying to defer blame from the government, from what it says only 2 million doses have been delivered yet 6+ million doses have been administered (TGA). You have to remember that ANYONE over 18 years old can get the AZ if they sign a waiver, this has been the case now for a number of months. The lack of information and scaremongering was before AZ was even available, as the issues arose during testing.

Pfizer delays for Australia is purely that the Morrison Gov put all its eggs in one basket, AZ, and then too late placed backup orders of Pf. This means Australia was way down the waiting list of nations, things have changed recently due to 'deals' being signed, which are in confidence for what reason? Micallef had a funny answer, suggesting we had also placed an overpriced order for more useless helicopters from the US to secure the deal, sadly he's probably more correct than just being funny.

the article was written in April. The blood clot issue didn’t occur until March. Other issue around efficacy were present earlier.

Sweden suspended AZ use in March due the number of clotting events, which had been steadily occurring since start of use in December 2020, and had occurred in trials. At the same time advice from other European countries changed to restrict its use to over 65. The drama around the clotting and TTS had been going on since the drugs introduction in late 2020.

Then why put the question to me?! I think "it's so telling" that you put the question to me not once, but twice, second time suggesting that I was dodging it.

Anyone who completed Year 6 Social Studies would be familiar enough with the Australian political system to know that all this talk about the Commonwealth using nationhood power, S 96 and vertical fiscal imbalance to do an end run on the Constitution and seize a State power is just rank nonsense. It has the tenor of an eight year old enumerating the reasons why unicorns do too exist!

We'll tender that as Exhibit A. Absolutely mind boggling that you apparently believe that.

So, how precisely does the Commonwealth acquire control of health, prevent the states from issuing public health orders, finance S 96 grants if not by legislation? Military fiat? Führerbefehle? Magic wand?

Tender Exhibit B.

Spending bills cannot originate in the Senate. The Constitution is manifestly clear on this.

It's the first sentence! But yeah, what would the "numbers" guy know about politics?

Yes, sure, why not. I suppose that there's an alternate reality somewhere out there where the Federal government seized health powers from the states without any push back from any of the parliament, the states or the courts; managed to change funding allocations and to fund S 96 grants without having to rely on legislation; etc, etc. It is not this reality.

The problem is that no matter how many times you stamp your foot and say that unicorns are real, in this reality, they're not.

None of us here are experts, certainly not me. This reads personal, is there something I should know about behind that.

What a bloody disgrace.

that idiot Queensland chief medical officer aka the quack is at it again. Asked about AstraZeneca at this mornings press conference she again doubled down on her 18 year olds should not get AstraZeneca. Asked what age it was ok for she said 60.

So we have the chook as premier, the goose as deputy premier and the quack as chief medical officer. F*ckers one and all.

When I had the AZ, both times my Doc suggested I took 2x Aspirin a day for 2 days before and 2 weeks afterwards. Made me feel easier even if it didn't do anything real.

When did Ana get back from Tokyo? July 25th wasn’t it?

When is her 14 day quarantine over then based on that date? August 8.

When has the QLD lockdown been extended to? August 8.


hmmmmmmmmmm

Barnaby Joyce, just announced Pilots and Cabin crew up to 50% of the Airlines workforce will be able to now claim the $750 a week regardless
of where they live, aka they dont have to reside in Sydney or Brisbane, as long as they have lost work.

Obviously been lobbied by the Airlines as they probably now realise this Clu$ter won’t end this year, and Standowns will be required….

Useful document available here from the Commonwealth Department of Health about the relative risks of AZ.

I'm fully vaxxed with AZ and perfectly fine. But urge any of you with doubts to seek informed medical advice from your GP. Not from a pilot forum, Facebook, Murdoch press or SkyNews.

Allows them to enact stand downs unilaterally now. Here we go again…

That does not sound good.

Sorry but my rant filter was off and this got through. What exactly is the "bloody disgrace"? Do you disagree with Dr. Young's advice? If so, on what grounds? Do you have qualifications more suitable than Dr. Young's with which to judge the situation and determine the safe age parameters for injection of the experimental AZ therapy? Are you a quack? Let's hear it.

I understood Dr. Young's advice was in keeping with the latest ATAGI advice:

Sounds like good advice to me. What's the real motivation for your dissatisfaction, Foxxster?

Oh.

Informed. Yes, I see the problem. You think it's a disgrace that we don't have informed consent here in Australia. I completely agree.

Xeptu - Nothing personal, sorry if you felt that. Just trying to point out that your stats were not valid.

itsnotthatbloodyhard
[QUOTE][But chance of a fatal clot from AZ is more like 1 in 1000 000./QUOTE]

Xeptu didn't say "Fatal", and then what is the stat for a fatal lightning strike? Anyhow, it is an irrelevant stat, because if I don't go out side during a lightning storm the chance of getting fatally struck is 0. However if I choose to be injected with Astra ..............

Might be time to put on the tin foil hat. Think she gets out on the 9th. You actually spend 15 days in quarantine as the day you arrive is day 0. It 14 complete days

It's got nothing to do with "feel" If you're going to "Name" someone and use statements like "No Idea" It's Personal.

The only time I would support that is when an opinion is clearly not supported by anyone.

[QUOTE=Capn Rex Havoc;11088491]Xeptu - Nothing personal, sorry if you felt that. Just trying to point out that your stats were not valid.

itsnotthatbloodyhard
You are correct. It’s your choice. Choose to be a part of the solution or choose to not get vaccinated and be more likely get infected, more likely to infect others, and almost certainly ensure that the borders stay closed longer and more pilots lose their jobs.

You’re right - it’s your choice. But if you choose to not get vaccinated please don’t complain about border closures.

..who needs the gestapo to take away our freedom to protest when we have our fellow citizens doing the job for them.

according to the CDC, being vaccinated improves neither of those things for you.

https://apnews.com/article/science-h...5ca012b5ef84d1

You are being deliberately obtuse. The current reports from the CDC all emphasise the importance of being vaccinated. The vaccine is for me, the mask is for you. Don’t count on my ongoing dedication to your safety if you can’t be bothered to save yourself.

I can't believe there so many idiots flying aircraft, must be the 6 or so quarts of oil i tip into each engine every few days messing up your brains. If you pilots are so scared of statistics yous better stay at home.

What I can’t believe is the people on here that rely on flying an aircraft for an income, but seem so determined not to have a vax at every turn. I can’t understand it.. but each to their own. For the record , I’m 60 my darling wife is 62, both fully vaxed with AZ and still very much alive.

That's not what your wife said!!!! lol, but seriously how many weeks between jabs

12 weeks for me , 11 for My darling.

Mattyj

Please attribute your quotes!

In so far as breakthrough cases are concerned, the message so far from this data appears to simply lean toward maintaining caution in the form of face masks, among other strategies. Vaccination still makes complete sense.

The CDC report actually said: The findings in this report are subject to at least four limitations. First, data from this report are insufficient to draw conclusions about the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines against SARS-CoV-2, including the Delta variant, during this outbreak.

The Associated Press article said:The documents were obtained by The Washington Post. As they note, COVID-19 vaccines are still highly effective against the delta variant at preventing serious illness and death.

The Provincetown outbreak and the documents highlight the enormous challenge the CDC faces in encouraging vaccination while acknowledging that breakthrough cases can occur and can be contagious but are uncommon.

NSW plan.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/nsw-s-recovery-road-map-has-schools-and-hospitality-first-to-return-20210802-p58f6l.html

Outdoor dining at pubs and clubs will be allowed, gyms can reopen with strict rules and students will be back in classrooms once a majority of NSW adults are vaccinated under the state government’s plan for how Sydney emerges from lockdown.

The long-awaited road map is yet to be publicly released, although Premier Gladys Berejiklian has begun citing targets of between 50 and 60 per cent of inoculated adults as a trigger for easing Sydney’s restrictions.
Article continues…

2,500 airline staff stood down for two months.

Qantas and its low-cost subsidiary Jetstar will stand down 2,500 staff as the COVID border closures across Australia continue.

The airline said that the stand-down is a temporary measure to deal with a significant drop in flying caused by COVID restrictions in Greater Sydney in particular and the knock-on border closures in all other states and territories. No job losses are expected.

It said the decision will directly impact domestic pilots, cabin crew, and airport workers, mostly in New South Wales but also in other states given the nature of airline networks. Employees will be given two weeks’ notice before the stand-down takes effect, with pay continuing until mid-August.

Qantas said that income support in the form of government disaster payments will be key to helping eligible employees get through this challenging period and the Qantas Group welcomes the targeted Federal Government support offered for those stood down outside of declared

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/...ures-continue/

I’d expect cases to takeoff again soon thereafter. I hope the other states continue to firm up the border in the medium term, I see Victoria did yesterday.

All states hit 70-80% Dec 31 and let’s open all the borders? I don’t think it’s going to play out like that. Old mate out West has other ideas.

All the Labor premiers will soon have Canberra and NSW by the balls. They will dictate what borders will open and how. Right on the edge of the Feds going to the polls.

Only because of the feds inaction is this the case. Too busy lining Gerry Harvey's and the Gas industry's pockets only to cheap out on vaccines. They could have been the heroes

What do these premiers want to open borders? at least Gladdy has given something whether you agree or not ( I agree by the way). We have to get on with it, why should the whole country be held ransom by the ppl who dont want to take the step of getting the jab! not getting it is your choice I wont get into a debate on why you should etc however there needs to be a firm date of ops normal and if your not vaccinated its your responsibly to look after yourself. The stats of the success of the vaccine is there and cant be disputed, look for yourself who is in ICU and has died in NSW.

This calendar year - 0 community transmission.

Next year. Who the heck knows. WA have said they want all vaccinated so don’t expect a uniform approach across the nation.

It will drag on if Sydney explodes again later this year. The others will then want 90-100% before dropping the walls. I’m not expecting the dust to settle until Easter at least.

Don't forget pushing through $130 billion in defense spending quietly as the first outbreak took the headlines. Not to mention the rushed through act to force internet companies to pay for news, limiting news to Murdoch press and his cronies, further bills passed for internet censorship etc. There has been a lot pushed through by the gov while people squabble about lockdowns and vaccines, some directly affecting your ability to get the full story on things and therefor basic freedoms.

I live in Victoria and don't give care much for the country/borders being open as long as NSW keeps screwing it up. We are open within the state because we took it seriously and beat it. I agree go get vaccinated and its all a non event. The removalist debacle proved that open borders don't work, because uneducated people do uneducated things, and put other communities at risk.

This has been occurring for 100s of yrs, do we punish the nation?!

I thought that there would be a lot of "educated" people on this forum.
Sadly I have changed my mind.

Of the vaccine programme, 4 Corners reports the federal govt was so confident in Jan/ Feb this year that by taking charge of the rollout they fully expected to gain political mileage. Not working so well, that plan. As for the NSW 50-60% open up plan, even if termed as easing restrictions, really? Late to lock down, early to open up. Sorry premier, you may have afforded your state, and in turn the nation, that luxury or privilege to ease restrictions at 50-60% vaccinated had you locked down early and contained the spread. You didn't. Don't kid yourself an early mark will work here.

Its a public health crisis leading to an economic crisis not the other way round. You fix it in that order.

Why do we have laws at all, speed limits, road rules, boat licencing, fishing licences, OH&S rules, bans on fireworks, bans on guns, can't drive my tank around town and shoot ducks with it etc.... We have paid with freedom for many years for the stupidity of others, this is just a more obvious one. Some laws are because of crime, some laws are because of the uneducated and stupid. A few years back I could hammer around the bay in a quite large cruiser with no license at all, was like this for years, then a few twats with JetSkis decided to ram swimmers and cause mayhem and bang, I need a licence, despite having over 1000 hours driving watercraft. So yes, we suffer fools everyday, and since time began.

And if Prohibition in the United States showed the world anything, it's that in an ostensibly 'free' society, banning anything does not make it go away.

As has been observed on many occasions, the gun amnesties and the assault weapon ban under Howard achieved nothing more than law-abiding citizens handing over their guns to be bought back. They were not the people who were carrying out massacres.

I'd suggest if anyone cares to check, there was a 4 Corners program several years ago about guns which basically stated you go to somewhere like Fortitude Valley in QLD and randomly asked people who walk by on the street if they can get you a gun, it won't take more than 10 minutes or so for someone to say "yes". It is then a matter of what type of gun as to the cost. The reporters in that story if I remember correctly were able to arrange (although they didn't go through with it) to purchase any type of handgun including a .44 Magnum revolver and .45 automatics, it was just a matter of money - and it was much less than you'd guess, in the $100s, not $1000s.

So much for the gun amnesty and the laws.

More like what do the people want.

Take WA- vaccinated or unvaccinated I reckon 80% of the population will support a border closure with NSW until their cases are driven back down to ZERO for 14 days. Even if that takes 12 months.

They love their lifestyle and freedoms right now, can you blame them?

I reckon McGowan himself is surprised at the overwhelming appetitive for his on-going low risk strategies.

Almost impossible to control hand guns, most of the success was removing high powered rifles from the community. The rules have been largely successful in curbing "mass shootings", the stats speak for themselves on that front. But we are comparing two separate things here, one is banning something people want and the other is controlling movement of people to stop the spread of something none of us want. A few in the community want guns, more want/like alcohol, no one of sound mind wants Covid. You have to remember that if you went to Central Africa and answered yes to going to active Ebola sites you would have your movement controlled sans Covid restrictions.

Freedom is paid for in blood..this has been demonstrated time and time again in history..the vaccines don’t stop transmission or infection, they reduce hospitalisation risk for about 6 months depending on what flavour you get..eventually if we want a civilisation everyone will have to get Covid whether vaccinated or not. People will die, sacrifices have to be made for freedom as always.

I choose you as the first sacrifice, into the volcano you go...

BTW people that have had covid are getting it again now, hence vaccination is offered to those that have had covid after 3 months (to prioritise those that have not as you do get some immunity through exposure). I suggest you return to the middle ages if you wish to spill blood to cure your afflictions, maybe add a course of leeches.