QLD tourism areas are heavily reliant on international tourism, the major domestic tourism comes from Victorians who won’t be traveling in numbers regardless of the boarder. But let’s not let facts get in the way of a good rant. QLD has, or possibly had the opportunity to have an unhindered state economy with tourism from the states that didn’t bungle the outbreak. The NSW premier has acted like a toddler throughout this, and has hindered the country’s recovery when the got out of step after the lockdown.

And there in lies the problem, we had 3 months "to know" just a suspicion should have been enough. It's 700 front liners in isolation of which 330 are known to be infected in Victoria alone, hence why they are asking for help.

What have their tenants got to do with this? :}

Back in April:
If you are working in a field where the vast majority of people you come in contact with might actually have Coronavirus, then, yes, the chances are much higher you may catch it. Your exposure is order of magnitudes higher than Joe Public standing in an aisle at Bunnings.

WTF
so you agree Qld is screwed without international tourism an tourism from NSW and Vic.
did you agree my (rant)?

I actually think out of the premiers the NSW premier has done well a good mix of health and economy.
good messaging
nice empathy
rational decision making

and I don’t live in NSW

I believe that all the Victorians are already in Qld. But they did leave their boarders behind.

Those managing the pandemic live in the cities and inner burbs, the ones that slap themselves on the back and tell everyone how good we australians are.
The ones that have never seen a Bushfire/Flood emergency escape plan. The ones that don't even have a fire blanket let alone a fire extinguisher in their own homes, you could be one of them. So don't be too surprised if the Pandemic Management turns out to be an Epic Fail.

Indeed.

For a cordon to work, it has to be immediate. Not at midnight sometime next week.

Most of the belated responses to date are tentative, far from proactive and seem to be more about not hurting peoples feelings.

When politicians announce these things, the legislation to enforce it is not yet in place.

For the sake of the thousands that live near the border (and those traveling home) it would be absurd to put up a barrier overnight (Berlin Wall anyone?).

They fail to realise that it can be imposed immediately and enforced from a later date, to ensure those that are still unprepared have time to get sorted. I've heard that MEL will go to Stage 4 from Wednesday, but announced tomorrow...same deal I guess.

[QUOTE=Buster Hyman;10850906]They fail to realise that it can be imposed immediately and enforced from a later date, to ensure those that are still unprepared have time to get sorted. I've heard that MEL will go to Stage 4 from Wednesday, but announced tomorrow...same deal I guess.

Which means stage 3 has failed. We have sanitised, social distanced, masked up, self house arrest, and the numbers rise. Why am I not surprised. Just panic, panic, panic.
Just read the numbers at 11am. Dan hasn't slept in months. He is a broken man and very forlorn. It's all don'ts and no do's.
Six months in still not one comment on how to improve your immune system. Nothing on how to prevent a cytokine storm. How to prevent pneumonia. Nothing on good health.
As I said ages ago the scary thing is not the virus, but how governments react to it. Stage 4 is planned for 6 weeks from Wednesday. Thats going to crush more morale and businesses.
Where is the guarantee that this is going to work. Their is none. OK, lets do another 6 weeks Dan. What ever the numbers are in 6 weeks all borders must open.
If the whole country wore a mask and looked after their own hygiene, I would open all borders tomorrow. Isolate the sick and vulnerable and get the healthy working.
What difference does it make now?

Turn left, I had advice yesterday lunchtime. Yes, it’s an NZ style lockdown which is the only thing that works here because of dumb F@#$Ing millennials and criminal scum who won’t social distance. The “criminal scum” comment is accurate by the way, as is documented already by cases.

Where I am, we still have a nursing home full of treasured old people and a whole host of national treasures in their seventies who add to the vibrancy of the community. We would like to keep them.

I had two car loads of dip**** millennials here yesterday - drinking, smoking, swearing bogans who somehow escaped Melbourne for the day and nothing gave me more pleasure than reporting them.

‘’Seriously, this bug is crazily infective. My policeman son explained that, from his training, you should go through a box of gloves a day if you want to keep safe from it in a healthcare setting. As he puts it, we are trying to drive a car backwards at 100 kmh using the rear view mirror. I could be infectious right now - spreading the virus to friends and loved ones, but I won’t know for five days after I have destroyed their health and set them on the same path of infecting others. Isolation is the only tactic that works until we have a vaccine.

‘’Please don’t start the crap about the disease being mild either. Masks help a bit in preventing the spread.

As it is, we have six cases here - that we know of.

A Melbourne person brought it to a restaurant on 22 July. . One waitress got it. She gave it to her son. He is at secondary school. The school is now closed for the future and Forty year twelve kids are sweating on their Covid test results as are their families. If they have spread it to the two supermarkets and fast food hangouts in town then we are stuffed.

And if there is never a vaccine that works? Hide under rocks for ever?

Well there goes Victoria.

Melbourne- 671 and a State of Disaster declared.....
 

ex ABC News: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-...-rise/12515914

Extract:rgds
S28- BE

I'm country vic too, dumb **** boomers spreading it here.

They are sending the wrong message by setting a time.
With setting a time, "dip**** millennials" and stupid teenagers will think that it will be over in six weeks.
They should be saying that the Stage 4 will end when the "curve is flattened" as we did at the start.
People may start to take this seriously.

Yep. But everyone has to blame it on millennials (FYI millennials are over 25).

Last time I checked it wasn’t a millennial conspiracy theorist who was refusing to wear a mask at Bunnings???

No, because they're too busy running through the check points & boasting online...

We cant really go around blaming a generation, there has been some equally dumb 50+ year olds, everyone forgotten about Karen already! Whats done is done and unfortunately a lot of us will pay with our careers now.

The questions that need to be answered- what is QLD plan?! just close up because of two dumb asses! Sydney is under control there are cases yeah but remaining low that was the plan from the beginning I believe, suppression not eradication.
Whats Tasmania's plan?!
Whats S.A plan?!
all these state don't want to listen to the Fed Gov plan and adopt it, but, they will all have their hands out for cash off the Fed Gov for financial support
This country is a rudderless ship at the moment to many different captains pulling at the wheel.

Sydney is far from being under control. It only take a single person to make 20 cases per day into 100

End date is sunday 13th Sept(supposedly)

Sydney cases have been constant, contract tracing is effective and suppression have been successful. Eradication will never happen unless we do Victoria for a few months

That is the end of Stage 4. It is possible that Melbourne will come out gradually and go back via Stage 3 for a while. I wouldn't expect reopening of Victorian borders until November at earliest.

Remind me in a month

The first wave peaked mid March, the second wave I reckon has peaked now in July so that's a lull of 3 months. If (big if) we hit a 3rd
wave it will hit Dec. Their goes Christmas. Surely that would show the politicians that lockdowns don't work. First one didn't. In the lull it
only needs one case then that leads to 5 then 10 etc. Today, Dan has just killed another 250,000 jobs for what. To hide from a virus that will
still lurk around in Oct/Nov. If that does happen then the Swedish model must be implemented. It should be implemented now, i.e. locked down
the venerable and get the healthy working. The Roman Empire lasted 700-800 years and not one Emperor shut down Rome. One burnt it
down but he was a nut case. Eradication is virtually impossible. NZ have been in a massive lull though the last 3 days 1,2,3 cases have appeared.
Hopefully their isolated. What happens next is anyone's guess.

Another thing, numbers. Vic are doing 25,000 tests a day and on average 500 positives.
5,000,000 pop : ? Answer must be more.
25,000 tests : 500
That's 100,000 out their that are probably asymptomatic probably not isolating.
That's why stage 4 won't work? You cannot stop a tsunami with a shield and bare hands.

Some States are pursuing suppression of the virus and Victoria has shown how this approach is a fallacy that will result in far greater economic pain in the long term. Other States are pursuing elimination and the passage of time is showing this to be the more effective approach from both a public health and economic perspective. Throughout this crisis, every conservative decision has proven to be a winner. Every aggressive decision has proven to be a loser.

I can just see your colleagues reaction now, when you are sitting with them and announce you are infected, "but I'm still healthy though and willing to work" you'll be lucky if you can still walk out of the room.

Just a question.

Wave one was a low peak in Australia and Victoria.

Wave two was (may still grow) bigger than wave one.

When both waves began to grow lock downs were introduced to reduce the peak, and the wave subsided.

How exactly did lock-downs not work from a medical point of view?

Given Victoria is just going into stage 4 and 3 rural, can you explain your December peak prediction? - seems a tat early.

P.S. Mid March was not first peak - we only shut the borders on 20 March. End of March (after lock-down coincidentally) is the peak.
If you check the daily reported cases on the link - there may or may not be a peak as of 2 August. Certainly no real sign of a reduction, but it will soon show a reduction - due to lock-downs.

https://www.health.gov.au/news/healt...d-case-numbers

How is the ICU holding up? need some more medical staff?

We (the world) are still in the first wave. That is the problem. It has yet to peak.

"the Swedish model must be implemented"

The Swedish model is very close to what we call "stage 3 lockdown".

Total deaths in Sweden exceed total deaths in China. Not corrected for population size.

Rate of deaths in Sweden will shortly overtake that of Italy. (Read as "trainwreck")

We need to send all COVID cases to Wuhan !

Just watching the news. They are now studying what Covid can do to your heart, liver, kidney and brain. Not dying from the virus might be worse than dying from it. I can’t understand all these people that want to “let it rip”
just so they can get back in their jets.

If you catch it.. and survive.. your flying career may be very limited.

Anyone who believes the official Chinese death toll is an idiot.

Exactly!!!!!!

TurnLeft, feel free to infect yourself and tell us how you go afterwards.

Seems to be a lot of these Facebook University qualifications on here.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a0ba9ae8f.jpeg

CCP would't lie about that, would they?:}

But seriously, take another example. The US is held aloft by the media as "most/worst" in the world for covid deaths.

Rate of deaths (that is per capita) is still well behind Sweden.

Check out this interactive map if you haven't already -

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/t...hs-per-million

QUOTE=morno
TurnLeft, feel free to infect yourself and tell us how you go afterwards.
Seems to be a lot of these Facebook University qualifications on here.


Morno the problem is the virus keeps running away from me when I come near it. When they see/smell/think/judge
or try to infiltrate an immune system that's bullet proof they become week, hopelessly lost, distraught, and they bugger off.
Heck, I've been trying to catch the flu for the last 30 years and I can't even get that right.
I got my medical doctorate in 400BC from the greatest doctor in the world. Don't think Facebook Uni was around those days.

If you say so...

"human coronaviruses have been linked to myocarditis in patients of all age groups"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7199677/

UK reporting rate of around 10%; Comes as quite a surprise to those that were asymptomatic...

That sucks. Doesn’t duck as much as dying though. Not even in the same postcode. Wonder how many of the 17.5 Million known survivors wish they were dead?

but no, you go ahead and stand by the assertion that “not dying for the virus might be worse than dying from it”

edit: from you’re own link, in the conclusion: “Several cases of coronavirus-related myocarditis have been reported”

Yes death much preferred.....

1/ Apologies - my quote of your post was all that was visible when I replied, as you can see in the quote.

2/ Check the date on the paper. That info is 3 months old, in a 6 month old pandemic.

Lot of UK contributors here on Jetblast if you want a glimpse of the future.