Plan B? Early election perhaps?

As long as WA / NT / QLD / TAS have effectively zero community transmission, Dan (and Gladys) can only have one outcome - elimination.

The state borders will not open whilst one side has zero community transmission and the other has some community transmission. It would be political suicide for the zero transmission premier.

Dan (and Gladys) have only one option for the unity of this country - and that is to get elimination.

I don't think it's the best approach (due to precisely what's happened in NZ) but they are being held to ransom by the economy of the country (and the airline industry) to do anything else.

Eradication is not the goal in Victoria.

Suppression is the strategy, with the goal of not overwhelming hospital intensive care units.

Fair enough to have that goal but whats being done about the deaths from aged care,over 60% of the total deaths from that sector.
I read a statement from the minister responsible for that sector,he indicated the claims about poorly funded etc being untrue,he obviously lives in another world.
Dont think it wont happen in another state.

There are two ways out of a nursing home:

1. You go to the morgue.

2. You go to hospital, and then you go to the morgue.

It’s not a fair call to make to say that elimination has failed in NZ. From the 1st of April our Director-General of Health in NZ has said elimination cannot be defined as a single point in time, but is an going process where flare ups and new cases will be discovered. But once new cases have been discovered all measures, including new lockdowns, will be implemented in order to control the spread.

The government has always tried to explain to the public that just because we’ve had no community transmission in NZ, doesn’t mean the worldwide pandemic has gone away. As seen in Melbourne all you need is an error in your Quarantine and Managed Isolation facilities to let it out. At least the errors made in Melbourne have shown once again, act fast before you loose control.

So yes, we’ve gone from no community transmission and will likely be locked down in Auckland for a few weeks or a month. But as we saw in NZ during April, lockdown works. But you just don’t do it once, you do it when you have to and if we have to do this every 5 months until such time treatments or vaccines are available, then so be it.

Our boarders won’t be open until mid next year. ScMo has already said for Australia it won’t be NZ to individual states, but to Australia as a whole.

Here is hoping the phase 3 trials prove successful later this year.

There is a fairly large disparity in the number of cases in private versus public aged care facilities.

Scrupulous private operators that have been cost-cutting can't deliver the same standard of care using their highly casualised (and poorly paid) work force.

The Minister that you refer to is possibly commenting only on public facilities that rely on government funding.

Well here is my plan B. Lockdown all age care and all 70 years old above. Lockdown those under 70 with health conditions.
All healthy under 70 back to work. Everyone keeps their mask on every one has a sanitiser bottle and social distance etc. so transmission is very small.
Everyone needs to boost their immune system markedly as I have portrayed before, to have minimal effects for any illness for that matter. Get rid of those chemical stresses.
What the government doesn't tell you is the percentage rates from not dying from this. What ever graph you prefer it will show 98% above 70s of surviving and 99.6% for healthy
people of surviving covid. That 2% and 0.4% is what is emphasised every press conference.
The TV commercial with that 30 year old, that was released yesterday only shows that 0.4%. What the add didn't say did she have a underlying condition.
That's my model. If every state implicated this we can get back to work.

Another thing, lockdowns. Why do they lower your immune system? Your anti-bodies and T-cells (defence shield) also fall asleep in this lockdown (like living in a bubble.)
They need to be active they go to war every min of the day to fight of all pathogens. They need exposure. That's how they get stronger. That's how we survive from our ancestry.

Not to alarm anybody, but Mad Max took place in 2021. Just sayin :)

Yes it did and no she didn't, but she does now.
The greater majority of Australians want eradication and no-one gives a **** what you think.

And the greater majority of Australians should be looking at NZ and thinking “maybe eradication isn’t possible...how do we live with this thing”

roundup all those that don't want eradication and move them to Melbourne. Problem solved.

Just trying to find a comment that you and I agree on Xeptu. Found one, "So don't be too surprised if the Pandemic Management turns out to be an Epic Fail."

That's right, management of the virus is likely to fail. That doesn't mean the rest of us shouldn't even bother to try. Given there are 4 states and territories that have done very well, with a few management stumbles but by and large successful, tells us that eradication is feasible and the preferred option. Our state has our fair share of "who cares" people too and that's a concern, that's why it's important to do everything we can to keep the virus out. you can choose to be part of the solution or part of the problem. You Sir right now are part of the problem.

No I'm not part of the problem. NZ has just proved that eradication doesn't work. If you can eradicate this then we may as well lockdown for the common cold
lockdown for the flu. Even though we have a flu jab it only protects you 40 to 60% of the time as it says on the vile. So even if you get the shot you can still catch the flu.
I know we differ, yours is eradicate mine is learn to live with it. Interesting argument. Mask on. Cheers and isolated beers.

Other states and territories may have done “very well” NSW and Victoria did all the heavy lifting in terms of incoming international repatriation flights. WA, QLD,SA and NT barely lifted a finger did SA and NT even take anyone? If the load was shared outcome would be most different.. now other states and territories won’t have a bar of us, in return at least we should send them the bill for looking after their residents.

Well SA did take quite a few actually and managed them properly so no community transmission from them.

Yes you are part of the problem and there will be no living with it, that is the decision of the majority. There is nothing more to say about it.

Took a survey did you?

or do you just get all your info from Facebook

Online Survey, every week, the question on closed borders supported by 83%, follow up asking 10 random people, do you think the state border should be open or closed. The result is pretty much inline with the online surveys. Don't you do surveys in your state.

Let me put it another way. If you came onto our private property arguing that by your presence the chance of any of us have only a 0.04% chance of dying and even then that would only be 0.00001% of the population. I would still shoot you in the face.

More than 430 people have been taken to the Darwin facility, some from Wuhan and some from the Diamond Princess cruise ship in Japan.

This was very early on - The two hottest COVID spots at the time.

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Eradication. For that to happen everyone sits in a 5km bubble for the next 2 years. The curve will go up and down forever. Job keeper finishes in March.
Everyone will just fall off the cliff. The plan B, I suggested seamed to of worked for thousands of years. Isolate the sick and venerable, keep the healthy working.
Though isolating the healthy has never been done before in our civilisation. All governments around the world obtained these instructions from the WHO.
Here is the crux of this argument Xeptu.
The only thing I agree on in a lockdown, is locking the virus in it's nucleus stage. The WHO sat on their hands for a month. The word Covid is a red flashing light
not a master caution they should of immediately placed a 30km wall on Wuhan with a 10km transgression zone. No one goes in or out. Prohibited. That's when you can now eradicate it.
Though it jumped the wall (non wall) and it's all over the world now. That's why you cannot eradicate it. It's spread. The virus has done it's thing. Plan A cannot be accomplished.
Anyone else got a plan B. We know Andrew's gov have stuffed up, but more anger should be directed to that WHO mob.

Best you lock yourself away on your property and not drive a car if you’re truly worried about risk.

Sydney Airport International Arrivals 13/8/20: ANA879 (787-9/246 seats), ANZ103 (787-9/302 seats), UAL863 (787-9/252 seats), QR908 (777-300/354 seats), ETD454 (787-9/299 seats).
Melbourne International Arrivals 13/8/20: CSN321 (A330-300/284 seats)

Total capacity to the east coast: 1737 available seats. Though you could probably say only 50% of those would be filled due to social distancing.

And then there's Perth:

0 arrivals. Zero. Zip. Nada. Oh, they only allow 525 international arrivals per week anyway. Yet they have the gall to tell half the country they can't travel to WA "because we don't have Covid over here"...Maybe they should start pulling their weight.

Caps on international passenger arrivals

National Cabinet agreed that existing caps on international passenger arrivals would continue in order to manage and maintain quarantine arrangements across jurisdictions.

Until 24 October the following will apply subject to further advice on quarantine capacity:

• Sydney – limit of 350 passenger arrivals per day;
• Perth – limit of 525 passenger arrivals per week;
• Brisbane – limit of 500 passenger arrivals per week;
• Adelaide – limit of 500 passenger arrivals per week;
• Canberra, Darwin – passenger limits on each flight to be discussed with jurisdictions on a case-by-case basis;
• Hobart – no international flights

https://www.pm.gov.au/media/national-cabinet-7aug2020

I mean its great you have a lot of available seats but really it's 350/1737 seats in Sydney. But don't let any facts get in the way

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Badass :) MadMax occurred in 2021

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Fair call. I'll defer to your Google-fu, apparently mine is not as good...

But the point remains WA has themselves limited international arrivals to barely 20% of Sydney's limit, despite their population being 1/3 of NSW's so they will have a disproportionately lower case count, yet they still accuse pretty much every resident of NSW/Vic of having The Pestilence and refusing them access to WA.

Absolutely and that's why NSW is on a knifes edge. should it fall its borders will close. QLD then has no choice but to close also. Perhaps then we can get on with the business of eradicating the virus and stop community transmission. If arrivals can't be manged properly, quarantined and contained, then we have to stop that too.

But, Mexico aside, the states have proven they can manage new arrivals, be that domestic travellers or international passengers. Mandatory quarantine works, and works well, when it is enforced. If that means in a Government facility, so be it. You want to travel, you have to pay for it - and that is fair I think.

Regardless of local population of each state, the above incoming number of arrivals is reasonably similar (above 100 below 500).

But each arrival has the same chance of having Covid 19, the same chance of a mild or serious case and the same chance of requiring a ICU bed. Each arrival is unknown.

We do know the total number of ICU beds, medical resources, funding, and cost of delivery across the states and territories and that is disproportional.

Fed funding (millions) for WA is $2,521 while NSW and Vic get $7,212 & $5,876 respectively.

It is clear Vic has gone into overload on it's health system, so it is logical that WA with a much smaller budget will have a much smaller ability to deal with a Covid breakout. Far less than half that of Vic given the cost of delivery in WA.

Xeptu - We can not stop arrivals of our citizens, some are being "evicted" from countries they are currently in, they need some place to go.

Agreed and I'm not suggesting we should. It appears the states have that intake managed and is under control.

It is clear we are going to have border and quarantine issues for some time.

Being isolated for 2 weeks stuck in a room sucks.

But if we could group quarantine with say up to 200 people within a fixed location such as a resort it would be a lot more bearable. You could use the restaurants, bars, tennis courts or even the 9 hole golf course on some, all with the other 200 people - a little bubble. But 14 days is still a long time in that bubble.

So mix it up, have a cluster of bubbles use 4 resorts (4 day, 4 days, 3 days & 3 days) all with the same people travelling at the same time. More a mini holiday while quarantining. The resorts could be in different states. If any come down with Covid the show is over and it is lock down for 2 weeks, but that is a risk I would take. But clear this quarantine and have full access to the state you exit as if you were a local.

A trial could be set up within a state to get the logistics worked out, then expand the model nationwide as a goal to use for international arrivals. Possible to have test done before departure, results would be back before you departed the first resort. Resort staff would need to be part of the bubble possibly on a x on x off cycle.

Obviously there is much to consider and cost would be a factor, but we have some pretty good resorts scattered around this country and spending 3 or 4 days within it's walls/fences is far from feeling like doing time.

It is an alternate quarantine method that could create jobs and get the economy moving.

And then one person shows symptoms on day 10 and is positive so everyone in the bubble is a close contact. Then they ALL start their 2 weeks again. Rinse and repeat. You'll be in there for a lot longer than 2 weeks on average, and end up with a lot more people infected. And who pays for that.

On the pro side, EK require negative PCR test for all pax before boarding - to be shown at checkin - so there are fewer positive cases travelling.

Hopefully we'll have a portable test that is reliable and returns a result in a couple of minutes. I know they're working on it. Mandatory quarantine for everyone, whether you're infected or not won't be required then. A game changer.

Ah, but mandatory testing would then be required. I can just see the civil libertarians going along with that. They'd be terrified that Big Brother would steal our DNA - all the better to convict us of some heinous crime.

When the Feds stop JobKeeper for the Tourism industry (give responsibility to the States) watch QLD relax the borders....$B100 debt and climbing which will see the Govt step down from the high ground, NT next.

WA..guessing they can’t keep making laws against Big Clive, or secede (haha)

Really, if it continues long enough, the country has to end up under Federal Control.

Anyway...hope the Ruskies are on a winner........and telling the truth!!

Weeell- our 'local' Broad-Sheet (not controlled by Rupert), reckons- That, 'they' (the Ruskies) have 'it' nailed/drilled.......?????

Link here: https://www.betootaadvocate.com/unca...id-19-vaccine/

'We' here, are in year #9 of a Drought and don't get out much- but, do get all our outside news ex the Diamantina's finest....., 'apparently' Scomo is acting proactively as well, and all over 'it'......

rgds
S28- BE

Fully loaded Antonov with Ruskies bringing the Vaccine now