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morno 23rd Jul 2020 10:06


Originally Posted by Green.Dot (Post 10844190)
I say you nailed it mate.

If we have to blame one person, it is him indeed. He snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. And every Australian should be angry. Angry for the next decade even.

I hope his name lives on as the biggest cluster$&@# in the history of Australian Politics. That would make me happier.

Is it? Or are you just looking for someone to blame, when really itís the stupidity of the population that has caused this?

I donít remember reading anything about Dan Andrews being out spreading it himself. :ugh:

Section28- BE 23rd Jul 2020 10:12

ex 9 News: Queensland doctor fined $4003 for coronavirus breach after returning ....
 
Have a crack at this 'Pull-Threw'........

'9 News' link here: https://www.9news.com.au/national/qu...5-ac77062f38c9

'Your Life'- their hands...... anyhoo...????

rgds/& be Well
S28- BE

Green.Dot 23rd Jul 2020 10:21


Originally Posted by morno (Post 10844201)
Is it? Or are you just looking for someone to blame, when really itís the stupidity of the population that has caused this?

I donít remember reading anything about Dan Andrews being out spreading it himself. :ugh:

No, I donít think he was spreading it himself, but ignoring advice from people telling him the Hotel Quarantine was broken from the start and not taking action borders on criminal negligence. The Age link may not work behind a pay wall. Anyway, letís hope the inquiry isnít as corrupt as Dan- hiding behind his communist walls. If you still like him, great.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...13-p55bij.html

https://www.themandarin.com.au/13611...e-emails-show/

Bodie1 23rd Jul 2020 11:00


Is it? Or are you just looking for someone to blame, when really itís the stupidity of the population that has caused this?

I donít remember reading anything about Dan Andrews being out spreading it himself. https://www.pprune.org/images/smilies2/eusa_wall.gif
Open your eyes, the people are doing what they can get away with. You are not from Victoria, you don't know what's going on down there. A simple comparison between VIC and NSW hotel quarantine shows the shortfall of the VIC quarantine.

If it's not that clowns job to get it right, who's is it? You accept 100% responsibility for the safety of the people on board your aircraft, this clown has done nothing but deflect blame away from himself. He is the PIC of Victoria.

Green.Dot 23rd Jul 2020 11:15

Thank you Bodie1. Iím glad someone else gets the concept of ďthe buck stops hereĒ.

People in democratic societies always have and always will break rules or test boundaries. Unfortunately COVID has highlighted more than any other event the fragility of a democratic house of cards that is brought down by the one card that is ďbentĒ. It was up to the Premier (PIC) of Victoria to chose the cards he stacked. Risk error management. There was no process ever applied.

jrfsp 23rd Jul 2020 11:23

Realistically we also need to ask why the process was given to the state governments, border force is a federal agency.
If hotels are not up to the task, perhaps Christmas island, the workers camp outside Darwin (used for the Wuhan flights) and other such facilities need to be used instead

Bodie1 23rd Jul 2020 11:38

Green, I did the hotel iso in Sydney on my return from OS. The Army and the NSW Police nailed it. There was no way you were ducking out to 7/11 for a pack of ciggies! Around day 10 I would have given anything for a breath of fresh air, human nature to want to duck out. But it was NOT going to happen!

Andrews is a complete arseclown. He was warned over and over and over again. The rest of Australia is paying for his incompetence. One billion a week this is costing all of us.

Your career as a pilot is over if you ****** up to the magnitude that he has.

Ladloy 23rd Jul 2020 13:01


Originally Posted by Bodie1 (Post 10844273)
Green, I did the hotel iso in Sydney on my return from OS. The Army and the NSW Police nailed it. There was no way you were ducking out to 7/11 for a pack of ciggies! Around day 10 I would have given anything for a breath of fresh air, human nature to want to duck out. But it was NOT going to happen!

Andrews is a complete arseclown. He was warned over and over and over again. The rest of Australia is paying for his incompetence. One billion a week this is costing all of us.

Your career as a pilot is over if you ****** up to the magnitude that he has.

https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...144b70bdf69a2e
Yep no way you could escape those Sydney hotels. No way in the world, nope not possible.
Going to blame Gladys for this **** up?
https://9now.nine.com.au/a-current-a...e-da081be7682a
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/...05-p55954.html
"The NSWPF is aware of videos depicting inappropriate behaviour by a small number of private security guards previously contracted to a Sydney hotel for the ongoing mandatory quarantine operation."

Private security being used a shit load in Sydney too. I can also say that I know someone who is in the reserves who worked in the Sydney hotels for 6 weeks. He sent me numerous videos and photos of army personnel sleeping on the job.

Bodie1 23rd Jul 2020 13:09

Wow man! One person, and she was caught, fined and returned to iso

I'm telling you what happened when I was in iso. I was there mate.



morno 23rd Jul 2020 13:44


Originally Posted by Bodie1 (Post 10844245)
Open your eyes, the people are doing what they can get away with. You are not from Victoria, you don't know what's going on down there. A simple comparison between VIC and NSW hotel quarantine shows the shortfall of the VIC quarantine.

If it's not that clowns job to get it right, who's is it? You accept 100% responsibility for the safety of the people on board your aircraft, this clown has done nothing but deflect blame away from himself. He is the PIC of Victoria.

So when the aircraft is on fire and youíre a passenger down the back, you wait for Dan Andrews to come open the emergency exit for you do you? You donít just take some responsibility for your own life and open it? Like you were shown? You know, a bit like how you were all f**king told to isolate after coming back from overseas, or after getting a Covid test :ugh::ugh:.

53% of you stupid barstards in Victoria thought it was a good idea to duck into Woolies for your weekly shop after being tested and feeling unwell!!! How stupid are you all? Do you really all need to be treated like kindergarteners and told when to wipe your asses? Or do you shit your pants and then blame it on the premier?

How about a bit of common sense and responsibility, thatíd go a long way.

White Knight 23rd Jul 2020 13:50


Originally Posted by morno
Or do you shit your pants

You don't want to do that after the run on bog-roll again!!!

Green.Dot 23rd Jul 2020 21:05

You are still missing the point Morno. If it was your state the same thing would be happening. Donít act all high and mighty that the people in ďmy stateĒ would be following the rules and it wouldnít be a problem. You are lucky your state Government handled the Hotel Quarantine better which didnít lead to an INITIAL BREAKOUT. Itís beyond containment now, and ALL of AUSTRALIA gets to reap the health and economic woes.

Green.Dot 23rd Jul 2020 21:42

Oh and Sydneysiders, get ready to call your local MP before itís too late. BLM protesters in Sydney still think this is great timing to hold a protest on Tuesday.

Donít get me wrong, I donít have an issue with the cause, but the timing is just stupid and you would think they would have learnt from Melbourneís pain. The people and the Government need to stop it before you guys are also locked up and wearing masks everywhere.

So morno, there you have it. Itís not just Victorians who are ďstupidĒ.

Ladloy 23rd Jul 2020 21:45


Originally Posted by Green.Dot (Post 10844663)
Oh and Sydneysiders, get ready to call your local MP before itís too late. BLM protesters in Sydney still think this is great timing to hold a protest on Tuesday.

Donít get me wrong, I donít have an issue with the cause, but the timing is just stupid and you would think they would have learnt from Melbourneís pain. The people and the Government need to stop it.

So morno, there you have it. Itís not just Victorians who are ďstupidĒ.

NSW outbreak sitting at just under 20 a day. They'll be in the hundreds in weeks even without the BLM rally.

Xeptu 23rd Jul 2020 23:23

Each state has their fair share of flouters, the only reason this hasn't happened in the lesser states is because the police were present and they just happened not to be infected, otherwise those states would have been no different. I'm devastated, I have loved ones in what will be on the front line in dedicated covid centres. The girls are not confident that ppe supply, usage and safety procedures will not be compromised. Should that happen, you idiots are on your own, goodluck.

Mach E Avelli 23rd Jul 2020 23:55

I am not confident that Big Brother knows what it is doing. What science is behind allowing 150 people at a wedding or conference, while restricting it to 100 at a funeral? Yet allowing an unlimited number to attend a BLM protest. Derrr...
It smacks of bureaucrats rolling over to appease certain segments of our broken democracy. Making rules on the run and then breaking those same rules.
Rules should be consistent, clear and above all, enforceable. If it means using the military and breaking up protests when they pose a danger to society in general by deploying fire hoses and tear gas, so be it.

Green.Dot 24th Jul 2020 00:24


Originally Posted by Mach E Avelli (Post 10844720)
Rules should be consistent, clear and above all, enforceable. If it means using the military and breaking up protests when they pose a danger to society in general by deploying fire hoses and tear gas, so be it.

100% agree, these are not normal times and therefor the law enforcement response should not have to be ďnormalĒ. Ask the front line health workers at risk everyday and Iím sure they would support extreme measures to get people to comply.

Xeptu 24th Jul 2020 00:31

That's one of the first things I noticed after retirement. There appears to be an extraordinary amount of incompetence and dodginess happening, prior to that I thought it was just a workplace thing, I never did trust anyone with my life, even less so now.

Buster Hyman 24th Jul 2020 00:34


Originally Posted by Mach E Avelli (Post 10844720)
Rules should be consistent, clear and above all, enforceable.

In Victoria, we fell down at your first point.

Originally Posted by Mach E Avelli (Post 10844720)
If it means using the military and breaking up protests when they pose a danger to society in general by deploying fire hoses and tear gas, so be it.

Agreed, but I'd draw the line at the unidentified Para Military that Trump is deploying in the States. (Not suggesting it'd happen here...I think...but that'd be my line in the sand)

-41 24th Jul 2020 00:46

Buster they are not para-military as you suggest. They are protecting federal buildings from the wilful destruction of highly organised anarchist and Marxist activists.
The teams are comprised of federal marshals, border protection, and other federal agencies. Federal buildings in Portland sustain nightly arson attacks also the anarchists are using high powered lasers. Itís okay because the main stream media tells you these are peaceful protesters, whilst their previous convictions suggest otherwise. Federal prison time comes with no parol. These actions will continue until Soros gets what he wants.

Buster Hyman 24th Jul 2020 01:13

The lack clear identification on some has made this description as wide spread as it is. A patch with "Police" doesn't cut it I'm afraid. Same with fatigues, you see people wearing them everyday in Walmart.

I don't disagree with you, with regard to activists being involved, and I don't necessarily have issue with the protection of Federal assets as such, but in a rules based society, blurring the lines of authority can have unintended consequences.

Bodie1 24th Jul 2020 01:30


So when the aircraft is on fire and you're a passenger down the back, you wait for Dan Andrews to come open the emergency exit for you do you?
No, no I wouldn't but I have no doubt a good proportion of the passengers wouldn't have a clue how to get that emergency exit open, and that's the ones who do listen to the cabin briefing.

Anyway your analogy is ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. The structure of this outbreak will be well known soon enough. You won't have much choice but to accept the findings of the inquiry. To say that the population in Victoria is behaving significantly different to the way the rest of Australia would in a similar circumstance is a bit of a stretch. The very reason that Queensland has no covid is from the management of the processes in place. Is it not? As much as we (I) like to criticise the QLD government, they've done the job they were elected to do. Andrews hasn't, it's blatantly obvious to anyone who would like to objectively look at what has happened that his decision making created the mess that Victoria is in.

I have been lucky enough to have travelled between several states during this mess, done two iso's so far and hands down, Victoria is a joke and the laughing stock of the rest of Australia.

I was 'lucky' enough to get out of VIC prior to shutdown. I've been able to travel between states, SA & QLD, the security measures are well executed and provide little disruption, even travelling on a VIC drivers licence. Well done those states.

Green.Dot 24th Jul 2020 01:35


Originally Posted by morno (Post 10844350)

53% of you stupid barstards in Victoria thought it was a good idea to duck into Woolies for your weekly shop after being tested and feeling unwell!!! How stupid are you all? Do you really all need to be treated like kindergarteners and told when to wipe your asses? Or do you shit your pants and then blame it on the premier?

How about a bit of common sense and responsibility, thatíd go a long way.

Morno, you took Dan Andrews bait- hook, line and sinker. He wants you to blame the public to deflect the heat off him. Yes the public are also to blame, but Dan lit the bushfire. I just donít understand why smart people like you wonít hold him accountable.

-41 24th Jul 2020 01:42

Hi Buster Agreed, but where does one draw the line on identification, the officers are wearing unit badges and operate IAW ROE laid out by the feds.
Given the militants doxing history and current wishes to exterminate Law enforcement members and their family members itís probably a wise choice. The officers has unit patches and their officer numbers displayed.

Some of the videos blown out proportion labelled as kidnapping in streets by unmarked agents are more likely to be informant or undercover operative extractions.
These are not peaceful protests, why do you need to ďpeacefullyĒ protest at 3am with shields and pipe bombs. I believe the Australian public would not tolerate these sort of militant actions.


Badge clearly shows officers number, and unit border patrol. This a media beat up.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....455e9fa98.jpeg





dr dre 24th Jul 2020 01:45


Originally Posted by -41 (Post 10844744)
Buster they are not para-military as you suggest. They are protecting federal buildings from the wilful destruction of highly organised anarchist and Marxist activists.
The teams are comprised of federal marshals, border protection, and other federal agencies.

ďOrganised AnarchistsĒ? Thereís a contradiction in terms.
ďBorder ProtectionĒ? Didnít realise Oregon had international borders....



These actions will continue until Soros gets what he wants.
Ahhhh yes the truth is exposed. George Soros is behind it all. Even though his $8 billion dollar wealth puts him at a fairly low 162nd richest person in the world, a fraction of the wealth of other politically motivated billionaires like Sheldon Adelson, Rupert Murdoch or the Kochís, Soros is actually the secret money behind all political influence and destabilisation in the world.

I bet right now heís in secret ANTIFA meetings directing where the next round of chaos will emerge.....

-41 24th Jul 2020 01:52

Thanks dr Dre, guess I’m due to be shipped off for Marxist re-education, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Green.Dot 24th Jul 2020 01:53

I dare say class action from individuals (restaurant owners, shop owners etc) against the Victorian Government for their negligence wonít be far around the corner either...

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/12488012

Buster Hyman 24th Jul 2020 02:11

-41. I think we're on the same page but looking at it from different angles. A quick Google search brought up plenty of images of "security" with no identification but regardless of all that...it's just very sad to see the whole picture unfolding over there.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....10a823e034.png

Bodie1 24th Jul 2020 02:18


Ahhhh yes the truth is exposed. George Soros is behind it all. Even though his $8 billion dollar wealth puts him at a fairly low 162nd richest person in the world, a fraction of the wealth of other politically motivated billionaires like Sheldon Adelson, Rupert Murdoch or the Koch’s, Soros is actually the secret money behind all political influence and destabilisation in the world.
And of course you can't have an opinion without it being debunked by the intellectually superior amongst us.

dr dre 24th Jul 2020 03:23


Originally Posted by Bodie1 (Post 10844779)
And of course you can't have an opinion without it being debunked by the intellectually superior amongst us.

Have all the opinions you want, if it's based on ridiculous "Soros controls the world" or "Corona is a hoax" conspiracy theories, don't cry when people call you out on it.

Ladloy 24th Jul 2020 04:21


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10844793)
Have all the opinions you want, if it's based on ridiculous "Soros controls the world" or "Corona is a hoax" conspiracy theories, don't cry when people call you out on it.

The same people who advocate for freedom of speech but don't like the part where it doesn't imply freedom from criticism.

Eric Janson 24th Jul 2020 05:17


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10844768)
Ahhhh yes the truth is exposed. George Soros is behind it all. Even though his $8 billion dollar wealth puts him at a fairly low 162nd richest person in the world, a fraction of the wealth of other politically motivated billionaires like Sheldon Adelson, Rupert Murdoch or the Kochís, Soros is actually the secret money behind all political influence and destabilisation in the world.

I bet right now heís in secret ANTIFA meetings directing where the next round of chaos will emerge.....

Perhaps you should do some research and find out where the money being raised by Black Lives Matter in the US is being funnelled.

You probably missed the interview (CNN?) where one of the founders of BLM described herself as a "trained Marxist"

In case you're wondering where all this ends - look up "Agenda 2030". This isn't a conspiracy theory - you'll find it published on the UN website.


currawong 24th Jul 2020 05:52

Astounding how hard the ABC is working to quash any suggestion that there may have been transmission during recent protests.

10,000 people gather during a pandemic. On the balance of probability....

VIC can only trace about 20% of transmissions. Therefore impossible to rule out...

patty50 24th Jul 2020 06:01


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10844768)
ďOrganised AnarchistsĒ? Thereís a contradiction in terms.
ďBorder ProtectionĒ? Didnít realise Oregon had international borders....

George Soros is behind it all. Even though his $8 billion dollar wealth puts him at a fairly low 162nd richest person in the world, a fraction of the wealth of other politically motivated billionaires like Sheldon Adelson, Rupert Murdoch or the Kochís, Soros is actually the secret money behind all political influence and destabilisation in the

What a train wreck of a post...

Anarchism is an ideology of wanting government abolished. Individuals starting organisations to that end are organised anarchists.

CBP can probably go wherever they want. Unless you also think the US Army should not have worked to desegregate schools because there was no war?

Soros has shuffled over $32bn through his foundation. $40bn+ gets you up to the big leagues and leapfrogs those you mentioned. As a 90 year old heís probably not worried about running out of money.

The ďKochísĒ are one after half of that evil duo died last year. Your nefarious billionaire knowledge is lacking.

The Soros foundation worked to install many extreme left prosecutors in the US who have declined to charge any rioters while charging cops who were witness to a drug overdose with murder. That isnít really a conspiracy theory itís very well publicised.

https://www.latimes.com/local/califo...523-story.html

brokenagain 24th Jul 2020 06:31


You probably missed the interview (CNN?) where one of the founders of BLM described herself as a "trained Marxist"
And if the founders came straight out and said they want to push socialism and Marxism as a political idealogy in America they’d rightly be laughed at and left at the fringes of loony left political power. But by attaching themselves to a legitimate social justice issue, they can push their agenda under the guise of racial injustice, thereby giving their extreme political agenda legitimacy.

Bodie1 24th Jul 2020 06:40


Have all the opinions you want, if it's based on ridiculous "Soros controls the world" or "Corona is a hoax" conspiracy theories, don't cry when people call you out on it.
Ahhh, right, so I've now said or implied that the rona is a hoax? That's all you've got? The proof on Soros is out there.

dr dre 24th Jul 2020 06:52


Originally Posted by patty50 (Post 10844859)
What a train wreck of a post...
]Anarchism is an ideology of wanting government abolished. Individuals starting organisations to that end are organised anarchists.

I'm talking about the unfounded fear of the "dreaded Antifa". They are tiny, have no influence, no money, no real structure but are talked about by some as if they are on the verge of a revolutionary takeover of society. I'd doubt they number more than a few dozen in each Australian city.


CBP can probably go wherever they want.
Outside of their stated jurisdiction? Looks like their little mass public arrest plan failed anyway, I don't think the populace liked what they did.........


Soros has shuffled over $32bn through his foundation.
Some of which has gone to BLM, which is fine btw. None to Antifa, and Soros has no control over either of them, so how is he controlling the "chaos" on the streets again? Those scenes from the SBS report from Portland looked well supported and peaceful to me.


The “Koch’s” are one after half of that evil duo died last year. Your nefarious billionaire knowledge is lacking.
If you had a bit more knowledge yourself you'd realise that the other half of the Koch brothers is still alive, and since his brother's death has lobbied to remove healthcare and food assistance from poor people and lobbied to kill environmental and clean energy legislation. Charles Koch is worth about 6x as much as Soros btw.


The Soros foundation worked to install many extreme left prosecutors in the US who have declined to charge any rioters while charging cops who were witness to a drug overdose with murder. That isn’t really a conspiracy theory it’s very well publicised.
Errrr no. Rioters have been charged, even in "liberal" cities like Chicago. The "extreme left prosecutors" are looking to decrease incarceration, stop police misconduct and stop imprisonment of people without charge. No sign of an anarcho-communist takeover there. What cops got charged?

Why are we discussing this again in a forum about Australian Aviation on a thread about pandemic control measures?
I guess when people get frustrated conspiracy theorists get busy. I'm waiting for the next round of anti-vaxxer, anti-mask or "it's all a hoax" posts.

dr dre 24th Jul 2020 06:56


Originally Posted by Bodie1 (Post 10844876)
That's all you've got? The proof on Soros is out there.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....34ff61753c.jpg

Xeptu 24th Jul 2020 10:01

Well there ya go, four months preparing to protect our aged and vulnerable and they're the very first to go down. I think the girls just might be right.

currawong 24th Jul 2020 10:46

Buckle up.

https://www.vox.com/2020/7/12/213216...-herd-immunity


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