I don't think Clive Palmer should get any tax payers money.

That is what he is trying for when he attempts to sue a government.

The public purse is not a slush fund for Mr Palmer to dip into whenever he feels the need to refinance.

Re - # 1051 - 'NO football for the whole state next year, not one game...' .
WA has a very nice new stadium, thankyou, full capacity around 60K bodies, or around 30K with 'virus separation'. Still MORE than any other avbl. (?)

Put ALL teams into a 'bubble' in WA, and play ALL games over 'ere.....for the foreseeable future.
A lot (most) of the players get paid VERY well, thankyou, so THAT should stop the whingers who want to stay 'home with mum'.....
Wot's it to be luv? Me or the $'s..?? Standing by for answers to that.........

CHEERRRSSS.....

Maybe not. But, when the WA Government rushed through that bill last week in an attempt to legislate their way out of mediation with Mineralogy my spidey senses started tingling. I'm tipping there's a better than even chance of him being awarded quite a few $$ and the WA Government knew that and tried to worm their way out of it. If they were so sure they were "right", why the legislation at all? Why the paranoia about getting it signed off before Clive could ratify his ruling in a Qld court....

I agree. If someone is legally owed money due to a government decision, government should not be able to introduce legislation blocking that from occurring. That government has done so is as good as admitting guilt that the monies were originally owed.

Replace the figure of Clive Palmer with Glen Buckley's situation... it doesn't pass the pub test!

Potential covid treatments are being patronisingly dismissed. Sutton and Andrews smirk their way when it comes to these questions
at the press conferences. These present drugs could save all age care deaths by a third. That is not just coming from Bolt but a lot of doctors out their.
Wether you like him or don't check out his sky report last night, it's on the tube. What currawong said at post #1054 and I said at #776 is now being splurged on TV networks.
I can even see a law suit coming on against the gov due to all these deaths. All started with hotel quarantine. Can be done. Erin Brockovich won.
If it wasn't for the Victorian debacle domestic airline ops would be at 60/70/80% by now. The borders would be open (even the WA one) and no lockdowns
anywhere except age care.

I did. Bolt is still a snake oil salesman.

The Belgian Study he touts as an example of HCQ success had a non-HCQ group that was a median of 11 years older than the HCQ group, and had higher rates of co-morbidities like smoking and CVD. So not too earth shattering and not an unbiased study which is why the scientific community has not changed their opinion on HCQ.

Ivermectin? No valuable clinical trials have been concluded so anyone touting it as a miracle cure at this point is time is selling unproven snake oil. Here's a Professor of Pharmacology (he may know what he's talking about) explaining some of the limitations of that particular treatment.

I love how Bolt sneers down on the National COVID task force director's qualifications, "he's just an Associate Professor (and the Head of Clinical Research in the Department of Infectious Diseases at Monash University)" and chastises the Medical Chiefs for "overlooking the role of Zinc and Ivermectin" (the debunking link above was from a Clinical and Experimental Pharmacology Researcher and Head of Pharmacy at Uni of Sydney, I think he would know that Zinc exists, Andrew).

Hindsight is a wonderful thing mate. While the victorian debacle is unfortunate no doubt, it has identified the 17% that couldn't care less about the pandemic and more than happy to share it around. That alone would have made containment within the nation impossible. We know that 17% are in every state, so we in the unaffected states are grateful to victoria for exposing that weakness.
That issue alone will keep our borders closed for a while yet.

https://www.magic.co.nz/home/news/20...who-speci.html

The WHO is now suggesting less restrictive lockdowns, that NZ should consider some sort of modified Swedish approach, and that countries have to come to terms with living with the virus.

Seems odd given the purported success of lockdowns in China. Unless of course they were not so successful after all

The difference is that in China anyone breaching the laws will be beaten, locked up or killed, or all three. The residents take government directions seriously.

Edit: China has disclosed occasional cases when detected, after restrictions were lifted.

So in the last 4 posts we have a snake oil salesman, 17% think the pandemic is a myth, lets do a Sweden, beatings, lock ups and killings.
Put all these in a blender and we might get a new road to a pathway in Dan's speech in 2 weeks.

It’s not a myth.

But elimination and simply wishing it away os not a valid strategy. No country has eliminated this.

as we learn more, our strategy needs to evolve. With no good options, we are left with identifying the least bad.

Is anyone able to share the science as to how parasite treatments potentially work as an anti-viral?

Not knocking anything, just having trouble understanding the concept as the target and mode of action are quite different.

In addition to its anti malarial effects, HQ has anti-inflammatory effects (mainly through reduced cytokines production) and hence is used by rheumatologist as a 2nd line drug for a variety of conditioned.

It may also have some antiviral activity (cytokines again, but multiple additional postulated Mechanisms). These effects can be observed at high concentrations in lab tests, but it is not clear these mechanisms are significant at concentrations safely achieved in clinical use. Bleach and 70% alcohol also work in lab.
https://pmj.bmj.com/content/early/20...dj-2020-137785

However the current best evidence (Recovery trial) is that it’s not helpful for COVID.
https://www.recoverytrial.net/

https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/s...train/?cs=6157


This is one reason why elimination is most likely not achievable. It is so subtle, and it’s peak infectivity is 1 day prior to symptoms appearing.

Many people don’t get symptoms at all. How can you eliminate something you can’t detect?

Thanks, slats11.

Isnt covid treatment/vaccine a federal govt issue??
Im sure i saw scomo at the astrazeneca plant recently big noting himself,that was just before he came out & said the vaccine would be compulsory & then in the next breath reversed that decision.
Of course the hotel quarantine is a stuff up as is the aged care but aged care is federally funded & should be controlled properly by them however they have seen fit to continue to underfund it & turn it into the circus it now is.
Scomo apologised for it the other day but no action announced,he needs to fix it now rather than tell us they are looking into it.
Maybe decent pay & proper training might be a start but that would go against his union bashing & casualisation of the workforce agenda,no wonder the big business leaders continually praise him.

Well said.

That was right before announcing Australia had secured a vaccine supply, only to be later told it was a letter of intent, and that CSL may not have the manufacturing capabilities for this yet-to-be-invented vaccine anyway. He did come from marketing, right?

Hopefully these idiotic premiers out their personal career aspirations aside for one minute and put the people/ country first! WA FIFO workers are being affected with ships pilots running short and Mcgowen demanding they live in WA so the resource set core could be short of workers if it keeps going and QLD denied a pregnant women entry for emergency surgery which resulted in one of the two twins dying as they had to fly to Sydney.

I was going to say if this was the case from a week ago, I didn't think she had lost the baby, but you are correct, it has just appeared this morning. Here's one article.

As for the FIFO's, I am one of them. I couldn't temporarily move to WA early in the piece due to kids specialists and the KRviatrix being a NSW Health manager, but we have now got the telecommuting and teleheath setups in place so we can move, but we are simply forbidden from entry to WA because we live in NSW. So are colleagues from Victoria. My employer is hurting badly as a result of interstate FIFO crew not being allowed back in to WA. The "temporary" move was supposed to be for 3 months. Then it was extended by 2 months. Now you are expected to be there indefinitely because no one knows when WA will reopen their borders - which as was found in the Palmer (No4) case above, will only happen when the "eastern states" have had no community transmission for 28 days. NSW's best 3 runs have been 22, 13 and 10 days. They've got no hope of 28 days!

I had a cabbie in Perth this week complaining about how bad business was as he was taking me to the airport.

I told him the best way to fix things for him was for WA to open its border. More flying = more people =. more taxis.

He clearly didn't like the idea, but had no reply and changed the topic.

And from this morning’s SMH :

”It can also be revealed desperate Australians who are trying to get back to the country are being coached by government officials to start GoFundMe-style crowdfunding campaigns if they are running out of money, as international travel has ground to a near halt during the coronavirus pandemic.”

F#*! Me.
This is their idea of MANAGING the situation rather than reacting to the hand-rail holding brigade.
We really are a 3rd world country now.

Yes I agree. The way most of Australia is handling this is pure madness. I guess we continue to live like this for the foreseeable future. Only option now is get a good job before 1000s join you.

I won't have you impugning Australia's reputation like that. We are the cleanest 3rd world country.

That is disgraceful. Common sense, well it's just something we used to talk about and use. And this quote, if true and in relation to this poor woman's plight, beggars belief -

The story has been blown out of proportion. There was nothing stopping the transfer of this patient to Qld for emergency care. For whatever reason medical staff declined to do this and waited 16hrs for medevac to Sydney:

https://www.smh.com.au/national/quee...28-p55q7e.html

All deaths in victoria today from aged care,hope the govt officials coaching the travellers desperate to return are not the same ones responsible for the running of the aged care system,its fine for the media to keep high lighting the victorian hotel quarantine fiasco but the aged care shortcomings need to be on the medias agenda every day & the blame put exactly where it needs to be for this disgusting situation.

According to media reports a bunch of Victoria's finest covidiots are planning a mass demonstration to protest against stage 4 lock-downs on September 5th. Apparently they have over 8,000 signed up for Melbourne and 35,000 combined across other major cities.
With nightly protests in the Nong and still getting over a hundred cases a day as we near the end of week 4, I can't see us getting out of stage 4 on the 13th!

Get the tanks on the street. Whatever it takes to stop these clown doing anything that will drag this thing on and on and on.

I think the majority of Melburnians would not care less if a law was introduced to taser every single one of them.

The madness will end as soon as the federal government turns off the free money. Once that happens all the states will have to open up and life will go on. The current circumstances have come about because none of the states are wearing any economic liability for their actions they are all being propped up by tax payer dollars from Canberra.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-...ction=business

Very much depends which side of the fence (or border) you sit. There have been certain sectors which have been very successful (particularly resources) in maintaining BAU through minimising Covid risk (as a result of border closure)

Tiananmen square replay all part of the belt and trousers agreement or is that now dissolved.

Oh, right. Thats ok then....
So what proportion would you think appropriate from the deceased twin's perspective?

Considering there is thousands of mystery cases still under investigation, it’s going to be wafer thin timing getting off Stage 4 in the next fortnight. Let alone a protest extending that for another few weeks.

Melbourne needs to ride out September in similar form to clear the backlog of those under investigation.

Regional Vic should be pulled back to Level 2 and a more hardline approach between metro and regional.

If stage 4 went any further than 2 weeks I think Vics will then pull the pin. Cases expected to go under 100 by next week then 50 in the last week.
Listening to commentators today they expect stage 3 for metro and stage 2 for regional. That's tolerable.
Correct me if I'm wrong, that would mean no more 8pm curfew, no more 5km restriction, a few more people at weddings/funerals, no go to work permit.

"National and state security officers, police or health or emergency services workers responding to an emergency in Queensland (eg a paramedic driving an ambulance across the border to transport a patient with life threatening injuries) and maritime crew entering Queensland in accordance with the protocol for maritime crew are not required to complete the Queensland Border Declaration Pass."

https://www.qld.gov.au/border-pass/general

Show me a state premier that is not following the advice of that states chief health/ medical officer.

There are currently many knowledge gaps in this unfortunate story; I'm absolutely not downplaying the significance of this at all. How, and at what stage, was the quarantine exemption requested (prior to the emergency? Did NSW Health try and take the patient to Qld - why not? Did the patient go through the correct avenues (at the right time) to get taken to Brisbane? Simply asking some legitimate questions.

Hopefully this sad issue has shaken a bit of sense into the Qld premier - particularly after their disgraceful (and untrue) 'Qld hospitals are for our people only' comment. I hope that comment didn't influence the events that unfolded here.

I really hope that this starts to result in a change in public opinion on the state border closures. Gold Coast Hospital has always been the main referral centre for northern NSW as far south as Grafton I believe. In the same way that people as far south and east as Batemans Bay and Bega in NSW end up in Canberra Hospital if they require complex care.
Without knowing the details, it is possible that a miscommunication or misconception that 'QLD is closed' led to the decision that QLD is not an option. Or maybe it was OK for the patient to go, but not her spouse (how do you console your wife who just lost a child from your 14 days of hotel quarantine?). Therefore rather than follow the normal procedure of an urgent transfer to Brisbane (the nearest tertiary centre), they may have had to 'call around' so to speak. I'd speculate there were sadly many holes in Swiss cheese and burecratic bungles which ultimately led to this devastating outcome.
There have been plenty of news stories about QLD in recent times including people missing cancer treatments, not being able to accompany disabled children for medical appointments at the childrens hospital etc.
I'm not political but the comments last week "QLD hospitals are for queenslanders" was just pathetic... I didn't realise the state governments were funding Medicare!!!!

Here you go...
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Originally Posted by Palmer vs Western Australia

Dr Robertson, in his report of 24 June 2020 expresses the opinion that ifthe border restrictions were removed, the liklihood of imporation of COVID-19 would be low. Pg 51. [216]
Dr Robertson states that, although the risk of disease re-introduction is very difficult to quantify, he would estimate it at less than 10%. However, the risk is not equal for all jurisdictions, with the major risk posed by Victoria. He considers the risk from jurisdictions other than Victoria is less than 1% Pg. 52 [217]

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Let's reopen Port Arthur, Pentridge and Corowa