The health care situation on the front line in Vic is now dire. While most won't admit it publicly, most of the girls won't go to Melb to help. They're saying should that happen here we are walking away. We are not soldiers and not risking our lives for Idiots. That should be a clear indication of what to expect as this pandemic spreads.

Turnleft, you are in Melb and claim to be immune, so you don't even need PPE, You should be on the front line helping fight this instead of sitting on your arse expressing your opinion on how this should be managed.

1) Im responding to The specific claim that people are better off dying than surviving

this is patently ridiculous.

And if such assertions are the quality of insight of people in this site, I’m going to go with a no on reading jetblast thanks. I’ll talk to my UK and Italian relatives in real life.


Before you respond, please read 1) again. The bolded bit.

It doesn't literally mean that, of course one is not better off dying.
My Grandpa had a triple bypass in his 60's to save his life, the miracle of modern science he said at the time, gave him another 28 years.
Unfortunately about 10 years later everything else began to fail, to the point he couldn't do the simple things he enjoyed, like reading. He had a few minor strokes, so he couldn't play his piano anymore because he couldn't remember what came next. In his last decade he used to wake up and say "bugger I'm still here" It was sad to see that,

The point that is being made is that you don't want to be in a position where you're alive but have no quality of life, particularly if your'e not all that old.

ex ABC: Victorian coronavirus rulebreakers warned as Melbourne woman charged......
 

ABC Link: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-...sault/12522332

Extract:

WOW........, Really!!!!!

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I have apologised for the misunderstanding.

As I said, the only part of your since deleted post I could see was "Ha ha, yeah nah", which put forward an entirely different impression to the point you were trying to convey.

Which I happen to agree with.

Not sure what went wrong with your post.

Blessed is he who in the name of ex ABC: Victorian coronavirus rulebreakers warned as Melbourne woman charged......ABC Link: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-...sault/12522332

Extract:

Quote:
"During that scuffle, this 38-year-old woman smashed the head of the policewoman several times into a concrete area on the ground."
WOW........, Really!!!!!

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In a state of disaster I thought the police have the authority to override the rule book. She should of pointed her gun at her and say something like,
"Blessed is he who in the name of cherish and good will shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness for he is truly his keeper and the finder of lost children.
And I willstrike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious angerthose who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers."
"Now musk up." That ought to do it.

Where I come from, and when I was a cop, that would be met with a .45 warning shot into the forehead. No lines from Pulp Fiction either.

Which leaves only this. For you dumb arse city people intent on exercising your civil rights, if you happen to stumble upon our private property in the regions without invitation or consent, be sure to have your sign up on a long pole, it'll give us something to aim at. Of course if we have to aim a second time we won't be aiming at no sign. The yabbies have to eat too, make a nice change from roo meat.

What the fcuk is wrong with people? I hope the person is locked up.

Reckon, 'that' sounds- Proportionate/& Appropriate...... a, .308 ex a chopper, probably 'not' so much (????)- but, guess it is what your boundaries 'are'- ta.

rgds/& be Well
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Why isnt that woman in jail NOW,these threats of full extent of the law being used are just grand standing & chest beating exercises by the hierachy.
Dont give this type of offender any time to prepare evidence for a court appearance in 3,6 or however many months time,how much more evidence is needed!
As a side issue,maybe not the smartest idea to have 2 young female constables working together in this scenario considering what has happened,bit more thought needs to go into who works with who.

This thread needs to be re names “All borders to remain closed indefinitely”

BNEA320 has been banned so which one of his alter ego’s will pop up to address this? :}

QLD border to close to NSW/ACT ...again...from Sunday.
This is more disruptive than the WA/TAS/SA/NT approach to just stay closed.

Just heard Patten talking about this on radio...aw no previous convictions,assessed the circumstances,all the usual big words to make oneself look & sound important,no wonder people are cynical.
2 young cops just trying to do their job & even if over exagerated,what sort of message is given in the response by their boss,disgusting.

Or maybe the woman in question was having a mental health issue that lead to an out-of-character severe act of aggression.
Rather than criticising the Police Chief based on facts limited to those reported in the media, maybe we could consider that his course of action is delivered to minimise the possible disadvantageous and ineffective outcome that may ensue with further sensationalised media reporting.

We have a family member with a mild intellectual disability. Most of the time she's as placid as a teddy bear but under stress she can become quite a handful; thankfully never to the extent of actually injuring anyone.

I have no idea if this was the case in Frankston, but maybe, just maybe, the Police Commissioner is acting on more advice than we are privy to……..

Alternatively she could simply be a nasty piece of work.
Suspected terrorists may be held without charge for up to 14 days, so why not enact similar legislation for those f#%%wits who endanger the public and our national economy?
If a few were made an example of by spending 14 days in the cells we would soon have others thinking twice about testing their so-called 'civil liberties'.

Do the Vics have enuf cells....????

No Cheers 'ere.......

VICTORIA-THE COVID STATE. Citizens Of Victoria Ignoring Directions
Coming to a rego plate near you.

That will be your state premiers then?

You lot can't see the wood for the trees!!!!

Reading the first couple of pages of this thread is a good reminder that no one here actually knows Jack sh!t.

Mate, you are an english teacher's worst nightmare. Trying to decipher your grammatical structure is painful and for some reason quite frustrating.

You lot can't see the wood for the trees!!!!

It's you lot can't see the Forest for the Trees

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews has told families this year’s Christmas dinner will be anything but a normal one.
When asked what the likelihood of that restriction being eased before Christmas, Andrews was tight-lipped.
That's from the channel 7 news tonight.

Then the next item on the news, was an anti virus drug (of the flu variety )that can kill covid in 4 days which is being given to the elderly
and being tested to see how the drug performs. More results will come out in the next week or two. If we get quicker amount of recoveries
then Dan can retract the above statement. In fact flu and covid would then be on level pegging. I believe we have never shut down for flu.
It can still spread and make you ill, but it can no longer kill you. That's all we need for now. A drug that doesn't kill you.
A vaccine could be still a year away. If we get more positive info from this anti viral, then all lockdowns all borders must open.

WA Premier on the Channel 7 news tonight said the WA border may stay shut until 2022. 85 percent of West Australians support this. Clive Palmer his not popular here!!

2022? The WA Premier will not be there that long!

There are a host of antiviral drugs that have already been in trials for months. They're a treatment, not a cure and certainly not a preventative measure so will do nothing to ease border restrictions. Sorry to sound cynical, just keeping it real. I'd like to get home to see my family at Christmas as well but I'm not banking on it.

With an election coming up.. and his current popularity, i think he will be there. I’m a Liberal voter.. but I think the WA libs are now dead in the water. Liza Harvey ( WA Liberal leader ) has done nothing but upset the bulk of the WA population.

Fair enough though this one had more hope. They said they will keep administering this drug so I will keep an eye on it.
They way they presented it was like really encouraging news. I keep watching this space.
As far as lockdown till Christmas and borders closed till 2022 never mine zombie businesses we will all become zombies.
Relegated to the Recession league, then Depression league, what's the name for the third division?

Totally blown out of proportion. That was not said.

McGowan said the border re-opening would depend on the reduction of community spread in other states. He refused to put a date on when that would happen. It could be by Christmas or mid next year. Nowhere was a timeframe of 2022 mentioned. Also it could involve re-opening travel to certain jurisdictions only. 85% of West Australian’s support the Premiers current actions on closing the border at the moment, not until 2022.

All the avowed Liberal Party supporters I’ve spoken to lately have stated they’ll be voting for McGowan next state election. Barring some upcoming shock next March’s WA state election will be one of the most lop sided in Australian history. The WA government attitude to the border won’t be changing with a change of government, it’ll come with a decrease in the pandemic on the east coast.

Sorry for the misunderstanding cobber. In England we generally have woods. An exception being Sherwood Forest. You still can't see the wood for the trees bless you!

WA will not open anytime soon, they don't need to they have plenty employment, McGowan said this week if you're FIFO and work in WA you should live in WA that exemption of FIFO workers coming in is believed to be pulled anytime now.
QLD who knows what she is doing giving 200K to VA to preserve jobs in QLD, well that worked a treat. There has been no rational explanation to close from NSW, NSW has cases in Sydney they have been constant in numbers for a month and have been very well managed to find the sources and have those close contacts self isolate. NSW is learning to live with the virus rest of the country needs to learn to live with it also, and open up because this is affecting big business now.

Only way to force the states hands into rational thinking is the Fed Gov cutting job keeper even tho I am on job keeper I would most certainly vote for it to be discontinued as its dragging this pandemic out. Job keeper is doing more harm than good now. Really why should the federal government pay for workers in each state when each state doesn't listen or take advice off the federal government anyway. QLD is broke make their own gov pay the bills see how long they last.

Feeling a little fraught this morning Ragnor?

Ha, no. But, it is time to learn to live with it we have suppressed it that was the original intention. If they're serious about eradication which I am OK with, well we better start by closing international borders first, completely, no exemptions no hotels nothing.

I wrote to the prime minister saying the same. The states should be funding all welfare directly related to the closure of borders, ie the domestic tourism industry. A myopic view, perhaps, but the reason domestic pilots are not at work is the rogue state premiers. Make them pay, directly or through a reduction in future fund distribution. Watch the premiers bleat then. WA? Good for now...until the world descends further into chaos, exports stop due war etc etc...when they come begging for money, perhaps the federal govt response should be ‘you wanted to stand alone, nows your chance’.

australia....one country, made up of 8 other countries apparently.

So who are you blaming? The hand-wringing do-gooders in Victoria who thought that cultural inclusiveness should be an overriding concern in a pandemic response or the premiers who are doing their best to eradicate the virus? *

i agree that there should be no international arrivals unless they want to quarantine in some remote camp which has resident guards.

*Which is not a unique Victorian impulse-Canada delayed banning flights from China for far too long because it was seen as being discriminatory.

Breaking news Dan is about to come to the microphone at 11.30am. Same speech as yesterday and the same speech as for tomorrow
and the next day, only with different numbers. It's Sunday so he should have the NorthFace jacket on this time representing outdoor recreation.

He’s facing the media. If he wasn’t you’d be criticising him for hiding from the public. At least he isn’t pissing off to Hawaii on holidays.

The country would probably run better if all the state pollies went to Hawaii. A tier of red tape gone. Like organising your own separation in a CTAF.