I may have missed any earlier reference but any thoughts on what they should do with this arrogant POS?

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/7new...-c-1190407.amp

Shes an anti-science, Qanon supporting, religious fundamentalist calling other people sheeple. One of those types who will argue with cops all day how wearing a mask or quarantine measures violate their “rights endowed by their creator” so the cops end up losing patience and letting them go. With morons like this in the country we’ll never overcome this pandemic.

Here’s another of the “Conscious Truth Network”, other conspiracies they indulge in include moon landing skepticism, 5G truthing and anti-Vaxxerism.

And this kids is what you get if you spend all your spare time getting brainwashed with zany conspiracy theories.....

And you're a pseudo intellectual dick head dre ;)

Sayonara **** heads!

Why are we discussing this again in a forum about Australian Aviation on a thread about pandemic control measures?
I guess when people get frustrated conspiracy theorists get busy. I'm waiting for the next round of anti-vaxxer, anti-mask or "it's all a hoax" posts.

It's a thread trying to open up the aviation borders.
Man invents sugar, man refines sugar, man eats sugar, man gets obese from sugar, man gets diabetes from sugar and you want a drug to fix his problem.
If we ate properly you wouldn't need a vax in the first place. But since we eat junk, we invent disease and we need science to fix that.
Us homo sapiens are the sickest living species in the universe. Here we are in 2020. You go to the doc, he asses you in 10min, take 2 a day, you'll be right.
Fauci and Sutton are doctors. All you get is social distance and mask up. Have they ever mentioned how to improve your immune system in the last 5 months. Well have they.
The WHO and CDC said masks are useless a few months ago, then suddenly overnight they changed their tune. See how F@#$ the system is.
Can you see now that we are an experiment, we are lab rats. Probably not.

Well, the plod involved should be facing disciplinary action for starters.

Unless of course the regulatory framework in VIC is that rooted that compliance with laws/ lawful direction is optional.

Which would not surprise me....

Yes, it's an aviation thread about borders. So what is the relevance of your dietary diatribes? Eating all the garlic in the world won't open the borders. Perhaps we should exclude fat people from flying because clearly they eat too much sugar?

Good thread drift Turnleft080! It backs up your first statement well! 🤣

Mach - In order to keep flying I have seen a number of pilots been advised my their DAMEs to slim down,
( bring Blood pressure/cholesterol down, which are conditional stress responses not diseases and that stressor is sugar) and they have done that, even some going cold turkey.
I regards to your other sentence, if we ate all the garlic/onion/ginger in the world, and C, and D at least your in a a better fighting chance of recovering quicker, hence borders opening quicker,
hence us hitting TOGA more quicker, than our keyboards.

I bet those anti-vaxxers will be first in line when a COVID vaccine emerges... :rolleyes:

In his daily press conference yesterday, the WA Premier said that WA borders could remain shut until the end of the year. He also ( quite seriously) stated that he could easily see no international travel allowed for the next 2 years.

Thats basically what we're on track for at the moment...

New research = new evidence = new procedures

All these premiers want to close off to each other, this just highlights that Australia has to many states and territories way to many layers of government and red tape. Elimination was never the objective. WA should be open to everyone except VIC and maybe NSW. QLD are handling it fine with NSW people crossing over as frustrating as that premier is with her pigeon chest strutting around and making it political with NSW with moving the border south

As mentioned previously, one could argue that
the evidence that masks were effective has been around for some time, if any of our Politicians or bureaucrats looked at Taiwan.
Taiwan make their own, so perhaps we couldn’t go down that path till now, because we did not have enough to go round.

But nothing changed? The masks are the same and you are still exhaling moisture.

Australia's reason for not going 100% masks straight away was that there was little to no community spread and it would be a waste to use already low stocks of masks. My medical friends wrre very worried by low stocks on masks and faceshields early into this pandemic.

​​​​​WHO initially had data to say that social distancing and good hygiene was enough to curb the spread but because this is a new type of coronavirus the data was limited on how it spread through droplets. We're now at a point where we're putting all the pieces together and we can learn from all the different approaches taken by different countries. A uncovered sneeze can carry coronavirus up to 8 metres. Two people wearing masks can stop a sneeze from spreading by a considerable margin.

​​​The federal government started so strong in March by following the guidelines of experts but they've been idling for a while now.

What Ladloy said. I'm not sure they used the term useless, what they meant is they won't protect you from becoming infected and they still won't. In fact if not used correctly may increase the risk of contracting the virus. What they will do though is if you have the virus will reduced the transmission range in the event of a cough and that's whats is considered an advantage.

I bet a lot of them won't...I reckon that if an effective vaccine is developed, the 85 or 95 percent of the population who can get it, mostly will. If that vaccine then stops community transmission the other 1 or 2 percent who are militant anti-vaxxers will loudly proclaim that - despite it being brought about by the very vaccines they are opposing - because community transmission has stopped or the disease is no longer widespread, it proves that the vaccines weren't needed or the disease isn't serious. They'll claim that the lack of widespread disease as a result of the vaccines, shows that the vaccines are unnecessary.

Logic isn't their strong point, just look at Pete Evans, simultaneously claiming that coronavirus is a hoax, and somehow involving Bill Gates and being made to look far worse than it is by the media for some reason, and also selling $15,000 lamps to "protect" against it.

The advice initially was that if you had corona virus that wearing a mask would prevent you breathing and coughing on people. However if you were negative the masks were pointless as they acted as a way of transmitting because as you exhaled the mask became moist and enabling the virus to attach to the mask. Hence the advice to not wear them unless you were positive.

The point being generally no-one knows if they're positive or not.
The initial "masks don't help" was about protection from getting the virus. Still correct.
Except, the reason masks are useful is stopping the unknowingly infected from spreading it.
Those who have tested positive aren't in the community.
If everyone assumes they might have the virus and acts accordingly you can have a functional society without lockdown.
In fact with that attitude shift alone the resultant infection and death rates are less than Influenza which has vaccines AND appropriate treatments.

I for one am pleased to see that people hawking COVID conspiracy theories couldn’t get much traction here.

We can all laugh at the Flat-Earthers and their YouTube ‘research’ but in this case the community needs to be generally on the same page.

I’m pretty sure mate, that they have stopped all international arrivals into Melbourne. The rest of the states, it’s not proving to be such a big issue. There are still reasons for some people to be carrying out essential overseas travel.

To gigi foster (economist) and her like minded supporters. You should know our loved ones on the front line and their colleagues have made their decision. We have no intention of risking our lives and adding to the existing 330 of our infected colleagues. Should PPE, supply, process and procedures be compromised in our covid clinics, it's our intention to walk away no questions asked and no answers offered. We apologise to those who are affected who are not supporters, but we have no choice, we cannot get our heads around the ones who think our defensive measures don't apply to them and put themselves and others in harms way. We are not willing to give our lives for nothing.

Since July 1, updated on July 23 -

"Currently, there is a diversion on all international arrivals into Melbourne Airport. Any international flights that were scheduled to land in Victoria will be diverted to other Australian cities."

https://www.melbourneairport.com.au/...ation/COVID-19

Melbourne does not need to import, it has plenty of its own...

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ae087ba73a.png
And this was as of late June before Victoria stopped accepting international arrivals, with the huge majority coming from China and the ME.

To all the Victorians (and Australians) who’s financial and emotional well-being is being effected by the second wave In Victoria....

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6175196899001

From the same news outlet that was crying for open borders and no lockdown the first time round. They're a fear mongering, corrupt and bias bunch that don't deserve any attention.

Yes much safer to just take the ABC feed, where apparently lockdowns are all good, except if attending ideologically-approved BLM rallies, where people are apparently protected by an aura of self-righteousness. 😐

The international arrivals are plenty .
saw 2 Chinese carriers in Melbourne the other day , 3 EK 777s , SQ Cx and a Qatar freighter.
In SYD , 4 Ek 777s all passenger , SQ , CX , 3 Chinese Aircraft, more than 10 wide bodies in each port in the short time I was there to see it .

Melbourne is only accepting cargo only flights at this stage, but they are able to carry any passengers outbound; there's no restrictions with that.

Only bringing in Australian citizens and permanent residents! Maybe you should be looking at who your government is dishing out passports and long term visas to? The irony though is generally lost on the lefties:ugh:

Premier of WA doubling down on his all or nothing border approach - unlike other states opening selectively. Unless the border arrangements are reciprocal, they are basically useless anyway.

Dont expect the trans-con routes to resume before the end of the year

https://iview.abc.net.au/show/offsid.../RS1908V026S00

This pandemic has now caused another pandemic which is now out of control.
It's a subject no one wants to touch. Suicide.
Andrews and Sutton just come to the microphone on the hour 11am and deliver out covid numbers only.
Last year pre-covid 726 suicides alone in Victoria.
The reason why I have linked the offsiders at time 17:20 the coroner of Victoria John Cain said,
correct me if I'm wrong, "400 since July 20". You have got to be kidding me.
If this is case then what's worse?
If we are all wearing masks then their is no reason why borders should be closed? Virus spread is very minimal.
All borders and business must open now. Now means now.
I have heard rumours that they should be closed till Christmas. That would be unrecoverable damage.
Very sorry if this is a touching subject. Reluctant even posting it. However it needs to be addressed and fixed asap.

It's not a competition.

I understand that it’s a tragic thing, suicide, but I see another way of looking at it. They choose to end their life, but I’m not choosing to end mine if someone gives me Covid and I die.

Without downplaying such a serious subject, in the link John Cain stated that there were 400 suicides in Vic as at July 20th for this year. That's about on par (pro rata) with the stats for the previous year (726), but I have no doubts the rate will increase as more find themselves in financial stress and other factors. It's certainly a serious issue associated with the lockdown restrictions, alongside the potential increases in alcoholism, substance abuse and domestic violence.

However, there is no rational, single solution. It's balancing act, and I reckon Australia is doing pretty well. Room for improvement? Sure, but certainly not the wooden spoon amongst the globe.

What a despicable thing to say.

Feeling like you have no option but to kill yourself is not a choice.

Given the comorbidities of covid maybe dying of covid is a choice. You should’ve taken your vitamin D.

TL8, Thanks for posting that.
It is a shocking stat that needs to see the cold light of day.

I have always harboured the view that the hushed, covered up reporting of suicides is as much about an administrations embarrassment (as is anyone would choose such an option whilst Comrade Dan was in charge), as it is about copy-cat issues. There will always be a cohort that cannot cope, that is the nature of things. But as SS3K said above, it's going to be a terrible year before it gets better.

I also agree that everyone is doing the best they can, pretty much.

He is saying that if TurnLeft080’s advice is followed a person subsequently fatally infected will have been murdered. And I agree. Anyone advocating such idiocy should have the decency to become infected first if only to lend some anecdotal weight to their stance.