He's pretty brave if it's true he vaccinated his own daughter with it.

ex ABC News: Qantas and Virgin knew the Ruby Princess was a coronavirus time bomb....
 

Link here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-...virus/12550558

rgds
S28- BE

A fine display of government incompetence.

It would have been relatively straight forward under public health legislation to put all Ruby Princess passengers into mandatory quarantine while awaiting test results.

Everything was underestimated about this virus in the early days. Only the Asian nations that learnt the hard way with SARS etc seemed to go hard early.

This is a fancy way of saying that within all the organisations involved, none of the high paid executives showed any real leadership.
It’s a scarce commodity now days, and most can’t quite cope with the concept of doing something that they know is right, but will potentially have negative impacts for them personally.

Sad as it is and unfortunate as it is, if this is not an old peoples disease, then why does he have to provide
the ages of the deaths at each press conference. If he provides the ages, then it feels like Dan is insinuating it's an old people's disease.
Or conversely is he trying to insinuate it's a young people's disease.
Just say the number. (Hope no numbers). We don't need to know the ages. We don't need to know wether its male/female.
If your going to disclose ages then disclose any underlying conditions. No, we can't do that, we must shock & awe
not go about it with common sense and practicability.

The post I wrote, "This is my plan B....etc" on 12 Aug, I copied and paste it to Channel 7s House of Wellness, of course, I wasn't really expecting a reply.
To my surprise, I did get a reply though due to copyright, I don't think I'm allowed to place the email here. I would if allowed.
Though if I can say, Gerald Quigley agreed me. Good news on the percentage recovery rate isn't good media news. Leave it at that.
No, I don't want a friggen medal, it's just a friggen recommendation for all businesses to friggen get back to work.

What I really would like to know is,

IF AFL teams can be put into a 'bubble' and the games go on, then why oh why cannot our most vulnerable people - aka the 'Elderly', (one of which I hope to be in the future, as the alternative is cold and dark - some say...) why cannot the 'elderly' be put into a 'bubble' also..??

One way may be is to stop the number of staff who work 'part time' in several facilities, into having all staff work only in the ONE facility, with very regular testing.
This may preclude the virus from travelling from one facility to another....

e.g. IF 'Country Vic' is virus free, as many have stated on the radio etc, then why not transfer as many as possible to 'Country' locations until the Vic 'MEL' city folk have been dealt with?

Or, alternatively, just shoot all of the collingwood supporters - would be a good start........??Devil

Problem was, the bubble they were in are called Nursing Homes, and it didn't work.

Because of the casualisation of the workforce, very few people have sick leave, so they go to work sick.

It should'nt come as any surprise it was an epic fail given it was left to pollies and department heads to manage it. I remember when scomo announced we are prepared. The girls retorted straight away "no we're not, we haven't even started to prepare". Since then largely as an unaffected state much prep has been made, there are still some weaknesses around PPE, decontamination and disposal procedure, which obviously Vic hasn't got right yet either. Changes are being made almost on a daily basis as we learn from VIC
There's not too many (medical staff) putting their hands up to go help VIC for fear of infection. For you turnleft, dying is well down their concern list..

Maybe Dan should just take a look at this
and have a little bit of a faith. On sky 4 days ago.

He'd be more brave if he vaccinated HIMSELF with it.

I pretty much agree though at some stage the way we are going it's unsustainable. Dying is not on anyone's list.
The clip above can get us back working tomorrow. The Prof thinks he can kill the virus in 6 to 8 days with a drug that's been around since 1975.

"You will hit safety problems far sooner than you will hit efficacy.”

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...27b13d4356b0aa

Doesn't seem too promising to me.

He admits he's not a virologist, why would you ask a naturopath for advice while you're having a heart attack.

On the contrary, it is on everyone's list.

Tick - Tick - Tick - Tick........................

The downside for EK is hardly anyone will fly with them. It’s a ball ache of a process to go through.

Well if it can't be eradicated and we are all ready to give up, we can adopt north koreas approach, one active case, bang, no active cases, one active case , bang, no active cases. Although in the civilised world we could do it more humanely rather than just shooting them in the face :)

Dude are you a licensed firearms owner? I really hope you aren't. You seem to have a disturbing fascination there.

eveyone in the regions are firearms owners, but unlike you guys in the city we are responsible with our guns, we keep them locked up in a gun safe and don't go around shooting people like you guys in the city

Yeah, you just post about shooting people on forums :rolleyes: Maybe you need to check that "fit and proper person" requirement then.

well It's predicated on the collapse of civilisation as we know it, if you came onto our property desperate needing help and willing to follow instructions, we would help you of course, but if you came in like you own the place helping yourself to whatever you want, we would shoot you in the face. seems perfectly reasonable for a fit and proper person wouldn't you agree.

P.S If it's the misses aiming at you, your safer if you keep still, she couldn't hit the barn door at 20 paces

not particularly - if you are a licensed owner, (which you didn't actually answer) - posting crap like that never helps anyone in the licensed firearm community. If you honestly believe us "guys in the city" don't have firearms legally and responsibly secured and "go around shooting people" you have a very warped sense of reality.
To the point you sound like you're the last one that should have firearms around them.

yes yes, lots of guns, but I need them, why do you have a firearm living in the city. If you really want to go down this path, what types and calibre do you own and for what purpose

"Are you talking to me punk. Well are you."

In Chicago, 2,249 people have been shot this year. That is 695 more than 2019.

Data through Wednesday, July 29 2020

The Chicago Tribune crime team tracks shooting victims in Chicago.

I live in the city, have a firearms licence, along with firearms. The rest is my business only.

Surely not turnleft, can this possibly be something else we agree on :)

Sorry Xeptu I fluffed my lines, I'm sure this guy can do it better. Good night mate.

The guy is a gastroenterologist, not a professional in infectious viral respiratory diseases nor is there any evidence he has personally treated any number of COVID patients. This treatment only killed SARS-COV-2 in a petri dish in a lab at a dosage level too high for to human consumption. No proper clinic trials have been conducted (bar from a poor quality study conducted in Bangladesh of all places) and actual infectious diseases clinicians and researchers in this country have stated in that article that there’s no evidence the treatment at a dosage level safe for humans would be effective. So essentially he’s a quack (in this regard) selling unproven snake oil just like all the Hydroxychloroquine quacks.

And have a think why he went on one of the most ridiculous programs on TV, Sky News’s Outsiders, to sprout this rubbish. This untested snake oil treatment is only being pushed by the usual media loons like Rowan Dean and Miranda Devine. But of course it’s all just a secret conspiracy by the pro-vaccine lobby or Marxists hell bent on destroying our economy or whatever nonsense these garbage peddlers decide to sprout today......

Respectfully Dr Dre, there’s an awful lot of ad hominem, appeals to authority and straw man in your argument.
You may well end up being correct that Ivermectin in conjunction with zinc and an antibiotic, as stated by Dr Borody, proves to not be effective. Time will tell. I personally think that any potential treatment should be vigorously pursued until it proves to be ineffective. After all, I am continually told this is about “saving lives”.

I pose these questions for the casual reader in response to Dr Dre’s post above:

Is Dr Borody only able to discover treatment protocols in gastroenterology? Are treatment protocols in Respiratory diseases rendered useless if found or administered by doctors from another specialty?
Don’t all treatment protocols begin life by demonstrating efficacy in a petrie dish?
Is the efficacy of a drug determined by which news or opinion outlet gives it airtime? Would the drug work if The Project or CNN interviewed Dr Borody?

100% spot on,drive down wages,drive down conditions,gets the votes from all in the community who listen to the union bashing companies & governments.
They like the glory but avoid the questions later.

you obviously didn't bother watching the interview because that's not what he said at all. You're conflating the Ivermectin study(s) against his claimed actual treatment of people. He's said the dosage level can be reduced and remain effective by mixing it with Zinc and another antibiotic. Calling him a quack is disingenuous and once again you're playing at character assassinations instead of addressing the facts being put forward. He's a professor with proven credentials and treatments, apparently quite famous for revolutionary treatment of stomach ulcers. The bloke obviously has some idea what he's talking about. If his claims have any basis, given they are on EXISTING therapies why the hell wouldn't we give it the benefit of the doubt and research them further? If he's wrong then so be it. But you're saying since the interview was done on Sky News with Rowan Dean so it all must be some far right loonacy so we should ignore this guy and a potential treatment for something currently having catastrophic impact on the world? Try detaching from your partisan view on the world once every now and again.

The rate of casualisation of the workforce in Australia has been steady for about 20 years, around 25%.

Without these employment opportunities, the unemployment rate would be higher.

I agree though, this minority will have to go to work sick at times just to put food on the table. Be it flu or Covid.

It all depends on how you compile stats to get statistics.

For both men and women there has been a surge in permanent part-time employment in the past twenty years—more than quadrupling for men and more than doubling for women. Casual part-time employment also grew strongly for men—up by 326,000 or 96 per cent.

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliam...%20per%20cent.

Labour hire is not mentioned in that report, certainly been a growth industry in aviation over the last 20 years. They should be counted as casual employment, but they are not employees.

When I look back over the last 20 odd years, most of the people were in full time employment. Casual employment was the domain mostly for children and students & part time the domain of mothers mostly. Today is a very different picture, Full time is uncommon as in an open ended contract, 2-5 year contracts are very common, contractors are very common, casual still students with a strong mix of working visa holders. Outsourcing in aviation has increased and I expect that is the same in other areas.

I expect it is only 25% because the way the numbers were counted.

Fair enough it might be higher than reported as you say due to the method of counting.

Part time and labour hire would have sick leave provisions though, wouldn't they ?

NSW health has two lists, one for “isolate and get tested immediately”, and one for “monitor symptoms”. I know some people working casually in aged care, if they visit ANYWHERE that has had a Covid case, they have to isolate for 14 days, and because they are casual that’s two weeks unpaid.

Say you have a household reliant on a single casual wage. What percentage of workers are going to do the right thing after they’ve lost a few weeks pay?

Labour hire NO in most cases in aviation anyway, (Independent contractors)

This link states that the ABS changed how they count things a few years ago.

https://mckellinstitute.org.au/app/u...tralia-1-2.pdf

Also for interest from 1990 to 2002 the average labour hire growth per year was 15.7% (no sign of slowing), the bulk of these are/should be casual employees of the labour hire firms.

Closed boarders are a big problem for these employees - 2 weeks no pay + hotel quarantine costs + no job security.

Borders open SA/Vic NOT SA POL flying down the border as we speak MIA to MGB at 200 knots hoping to see people hotfooting into SA from COVIC-20 lol.
People in the 40 k buffer zone like Nelson now prohibited under SA Police orders!
Oddly enough Rex in and out ML MTG daily and SH101 doing some arnav at YHML after coming in from Tassie via EN yesterday?
So some pilots have flying gigs!

Looks like S28- BE’s writing style is rubbing off on others!