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Square Bear 5th Jul 2020 10:13

Bodie 1

I'd say by Dr D's comments "What makes you think military personnel would’ve been acted any differently?" he simply see that a rent a cop on 20 bucks an hour, working Uber in his off shift is a just the same as one the would have to put his life on the line to protect those that make such idiotic statements......hard hat on for the vitriol or trolling that may follow.

Bodie1 5th Jul 2020 10:22


Well no you’re wrong. both sides of politics have done very well in other states and territories.


Dan Andrews is the problem here.
Totally. 100%

Bodie1 5th Jul 2020 10:24


I'd say by Dr D's comments "What makes you think military personnel would’ve been acted any differently?" he simply see that a rent a cop on 20 bucks an hour, working Uber in his off shift is a just the same as one the would have to put his life on the line to protect those that make such idiotic statements......hard hat on for the vitriol or trolling that may follow.
I'm hearin' ya! Let the outraged and the trolls go hard.

Buster Hyman 5th Jul 2020 12:59


Originally Posted by Stickshift3000 (Post 10829418)
The same incompetent department staff would have overseen the under resourced and overworked staff at the front line.

Having worked in the VPS, I can assure you that incompetence is a prerequisite for career advancement!

normanton 6th Jul 2020 01:30

I assume we can now rename the thread?

Slezy9 6th Jul 2020 01:37


Originally Posted by normanton (Post 10829981)
I assume we can now rename the thread?


May I suggest BNEA320 wrong again?

SOPS 6th Jul 2020 01:38

Yes. It should be renamed... all borders will be closed UFN.

DanV2 6th Jul 2020 03:04


Originally Posted by Slezy9 (Post 10829983)
May I suggest BNEA320 / TT738 wrong again?

Fixed it for you :)

Green.Dot 6th Jul 2020 03:48

This looks to be getting a lot worse on a national economic scale before it will get better. Victoria was a key element in the growth of a domestic market but I think Dan The Union Man and his security guards have screwed everything including the pooch

ozbiggles 6th Jul 2020 03:51

I think you will find the troops involved in that little party in Townsville will be regretting it for the rest of their careers and rightly so. The fines they got hit with will be the easy part. I see some of the troops doing this Hotel gig getting their morning briefings before heading out. They are left in no doubt what will happen if they stuff up.

Square Bear 6th Jul 2020 09:27

Victoria is extremely targeted in its unprecedented enforced and targeted isolation.

Wondering why so targeted....obviously information know only to the intelligence gatherers, but concerning, especially that this is so against the DNA of the Victorian Labor Government.

ozbiggles 6th Jul 2020 09:44

Because that is where the virus is? Same thing happened in Singapore with the migrant workers. Living in those arrangements is as the Feds are saying just a vertical cruise liner...without the nightclubs. I don’t think there is any sinister plot happening. Maybe if they put HEPA filters on the building it will solve it.

Bend alot 6th Jul 2020 12:49


Originally Posted by ozbiggles (Post 10830214)
Because that is where the virus is? Same thing happened in Singapore with the migrant workers. Living in those arrangements is as the Feds are saying just a vertical cruise liner...without the nightclubs. I don’t think there is any sinister plot happening. Maybe if they put HEPA filters on the building it will solve it.

Cruise liners only had a few ships with any numbers (most one brand) a myth like HEPA filters on a Dash !

ozbiggles 6th Jul 2020 13:11

You are right, I mean the Ruby Princess only had 340 cases of Covid and it’s not like that many people died on it...

compressor stall 7th Jul 2020 00:01

Having private security at the lowest $ to guard quarantine is not a great idea, but that's what you get for lowest price tendering. Imagine the uproar if company XY got it at $Z million more per week as it actually was including proper PPE training and did some personality/psych screening. There be accusations of cronyism and a front page spread that Dan's third cousin's child's dog breeder was the GM.

However, the missus works at a major hospital and has been telling me for weeks that she is more worried about catching COVD from some of the other nurses than the patients (especially as many nurses work across multiple hospitals). They crowd in the tea room and behind the desk. She does her best to avoid them each shift.

And now we have an outbreak in a major hospital amongst nursing staff? I will bet that they didn't all get it from a patient.

The point of that is that even if they put nursing and healthcare staff on quarantine hotels staffing rosters, COVID might have got out anyway. Something other governments are starting to realise by calling and restricting the number of inbound OS pax.

This outbreak - although not great - is a sharp wakeup call to all if governments are trying to eliminate this virus from AU. Better now than in 3 months when everything is more relaxed and it would travel further and faster.

Australopithecus 7th Jul 2020 00:56

Not the lowest bidder because there wasn’t a tender process, but yeah, a sector not known for its high mensa membership, unsupervised, untrained, and ill-equipped with PPE. This virus demands vigilance and rigorous hygiene practices to overcome. Instead, we got wishful thinking and “she'll be right, mate”

wheels_down 7th Jul 2020 04:03

July’s roster is about to go down the Toilet.

Dan about to isolate Melbourne. Geelong to escape. News coming out soon.

currawong 7th Jul 2020 04:36

"The point of that is that even if they put nursing and healthcare staff on quarantine hotels staffing rosters, COVID might have got out anyway. Something other governments are starting to realise by calling and restricting the number of inbound OS pax."

That is incorrect also.

The inbound numbers are being limited because quarantine facilities are reaching capacity.


Stickshift3000 7th Jul 2020 06:30


Originally Posted by currawong (Post 10830845)
The inbound numbers are being limited because quarantine facilities are reaching capacity.

Incorrect.

The number of international arrivals currently in Vic quarantine is not particularly high at all as at today. In fact, not even all hotels that have been used for quarantine are currently in use today.

Inbound international flights have been turned away to other Aus destinations so that Vic can improve it's quarantine practices and procedures. While the practices are being changed wouldn't be a great time to receive hundreds of people per day.

Buster Hyman 7th Jul 2020 06:35

YMAV might get busy....

Stickshift3000 7th Jul 2020 06:35

"The point of that is that even if they put nursing and healthcare staff on quarantine hotels staffing rosters, COVID might have got out anyway".

Each Vic quarantine hotel has a team of full time nursing staff stationed at it (around the clock). There are also full time Department of Health and Human Services staff on site at each hotel (around the clock).

I personally know of one nurse and several health staff that have become infected through hotel quarantine arrangements.

Turnleft080 7th Jul 2020 06:37


Originally Posted by wheels_down (Post 10830835)
July’s roster is about to go down the Toilet.

Dan about to isolate Melbourne. Geelong to escape. News coming out soon.

Speaking of toilets as of right now all dunny paper yibbida yibbida that is all.

SOPS 7th Jul 2020 06:48

Melbourne is down for six weeks. Hope they have lots of toilet paper. And South Australia is calling in the Army to close off its border to Victoria.

Bend alot 7th Jul 2020 07:07


Originally Posted by ozbiggles (Post 10830379)
You are right, I mean the Ruby Princess only had 340 cases of Covid and it’s not like that many people died on it...

Bit like the MAX cases - but they all died!

Total the number of pax and the resulted deaths on the cruise ships & you will find they have lower numbers than general city out breaks in many countries, given the average age - even more surprising.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-...n_cruise_ships

Diamand & Ruby Princess are outstanding exceptions in case numbers.

currawong 7th Jul 2020 07:38


Originally Posted by Stickshift3000 (Post 10830883)
Incorrect.

The number of international arrivals currently in Vic quarantine is not particularly high at all as at today. In fact, not even all hotels that have been used for quarantine are currently in use today.

Inbound international flights have been turned away to other Aus destinations so that Vic can improve it's quarantine practices and procedures. While the practices are being changed wouldn't be a great time to receive hundreds of people per day.

Stick, compressor stall said "other governments".

One of which said this today -

"We want to make sure that we keep people safe in our hotels, but if we are inundated with a lot of returnees to Western Australia we will struggle to provide the level of care that we expect."

FWIW the VIC capacity for providing quarantine has shown itself to be very limited indeed.

Unfortunately.





Green.Dot 7th Jul 2020 20:50

Worth a read & watch. To the imbecile in charge of hotel security (Ie Dan) thanks for putting the economy, our jobs and mental health even further back...

https://www.tr.news/daniel-andrews-a...Gz5N3ThWbSz0SA

Global Aviator 7th Jul 2020 21:21

There are still many repatriation flights being organised, simple fact.

Yes the government decides where they must go, ultimately quarantine decision.

I fear while plane loads are still inbound the flare ups will continue.

Slezy9 7th Jul 2020 21:59


Originally Posted by Global Aviator (Post 10831434)
I fear while plane loads are still inbound the flare ups will continue.

I’m afraid the genie might be out of the bottle in VIC. I hope I’m wrong but it’s worse in VIC than it has been at any time. It needs to be locked down hard now. Not some half arsed effort. You can still get a hair cut FFS.

blubak 7th Jul 2020 22:56


Originally Posted by Green.Dot (Post 10831407)
Worth a read & watch. To the imbecile in charge of hotel security (Ie Dan) thanks for putting the economy, our jobs and mental health even further back...

https://www.tr.news/daniel-andrews-a...Gz5N3ThWbSz0SA

So you believe everything this guy is saying?
The BLM protestors were told not to attend the protest but did they listen,each & every 1 of them decided to attend against every piece of advice given & even if it had been made illegal,do u think they would have all stayed home?
I agree the hotel security could definitely have been handled better but 1 person(as in andrews) cant be in every part of the state every minute of the day,the actual guards are the ones who have most to answer for & the companies they work for.
Its very easy to criticise but remember its not the premier or anyone else in his government thats out there & not adhering to the rules,its members of the community continuing to ignore what theyre being asked to do.
And before you ask,NO I DIDNT VOTE FOR HIM.

chazwazza14 7th Jul 2020 23:26


Originally Posted by blubak (Post 10831500)
I agree the hotel security could definitely have been handled better but 1 person(as in andrews) cant be in every part of the state every minute of the day,the actual guards are the ones who have most to answer for & the companies they work for.
Its very easy to criticise but remember its not the premier or anyone else in his government thats out there & not adhering to the rules,its members of the community continuing to ignore what theyre being asked to do.
And before you ask,NO I DIDNT VOTE FOR HIM.

I believe the point is that Dan Andrews put these security companies in place to take care of the quarantine. Every other state has used police (local or federal) or the defence force, along side health and border staff. Dan used a contractor, who then used a sub contractor, so there is no accountability. When there is no accountability, you have people who don’t care, you have people that have less training, and this leads the breaks in protocol. So it falls back on Dan and his decision to use his union backed security companies, instead of government employees.

Turnleft080 7th Jul 2020 23:36

It looks like Josh frying-pan is about to extend job keeper, aviation keeper, whatever keeper. Your the man Dan.

Chronic Snoozer 8th Jul 2020 00:08


Originally Posted by Green.Dot (Post 10831407)
Worth a read & watch. To the imbecile in charge of hotel security (Ie Dan) thanks for putting the economy, our jobs and mental health even further back...

https://www.tr.news/daniel-andrews-a...Gz5N3ThWbSz0SA

Blokes who post videos like this need to be held accountable.

directimped 8th Jul 2020 00:50


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10831516)
It looks like Josh frying-pan is about to extend job keeper, aviation keeper, whatever keeper. Your the man Dan.

What is the point of your post ?

Ragnor 8th Jul 2020 00:56

if Josh goes ahead with Aviation keeper, where will it stop. Tourism keeper? Hospitality keeper? Taxi driver keeper it will never end. Aviation has been hit hard but not only aviation as been affected. The umbilical chord needs to be cut at some point and September 27th should still be it, and yes jobs will go, even possibly mine.

blubak 8th Jul 2020 01:12


Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer (Post 10831530)
Blokes who post videos like this need to be held accountable.

The commentator in this video really needs to have a look at himself,if he thinks he knows so much why is he associated with some news organisation thats basically unheard of.

IWannaFly2020 8th Jul 2020 01:26


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10831540)
if Josh goes ahead with Aviation keeper, where will it stop. Tourism keeper? Hospitality keeper? Taxi driver keeper it will never end. Aviation has been hit hard but not only aviation as been affected. The umbilical chord needs to be cut at some point and September 27th should still be it, and yes jobs will go, even possibly mine.

Not really. The government has chosen to shut the industry down, to protect a minority. They should also protect those who have had their jobs sacrificed for this. Aviation keeper should align with UK style wage subsidy and be 80% of persons wage up to $5k a month limit.

Bug Smasher Smasher 8th Jul 2020 01:41


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10831540)
if Josh goes ahead with Aviation keeper, where will it stop. Tourism keeper? Hospitality keeper? Taxi driver keeper it will never end. Aviation has been hit hard but not only aviation as been affected. The umbilical chord needs to be cut at some point and September 27th should still be it, and yes jobs will go, even possibly mine.

The difference is that those industries, while they won’t thrive, can still survive on business from within each state. The aviation industry in this country relies on intrastate travel.

dr dre 8th Jul 2020 02:39


Originally Posted by blubak (Post 10831543)
The commentator in this video really needs to have a look at himself,if he thinks he knows so much why is he associated with some news organisation thats basically unheard of.

That “commentator” is one of those far right “patriots” who have been rising in prominence over the last few years. He’s also a convicted wife basher who used a wooden chopping board to bash his ex wife.

You’ve got to think of the mental capacity of people who post uneducated rubbish from the utter filth of society like this guy and pass it off as “science”.

ozbiggles 8th Jul 2020 02:57

I think you also have to think about the mental capacity of those who believe it.

blubak 8th Jul 2020 03:17


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10831568)
That “commentator” is one of those far right “patriots” who have been rising in prominence over the last few years. He’s also a convicted wife basher who used a wooden chopping board to bash his ex wife.

You’ve got to think of the mental capacity of people who post uneducated rubbish from the utter filth of society like this guy and pass it off as “science”.

Perfect,that says it all!
Fair chance hes a regular at protests too,u know the ones where they are told to stay home but ultimately decide they know better & then try to blame others for causing the consequences.


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