Can anyone believe that Neil Ferguson is still allowed to give his opinions publicly?!

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...oment-12354845

this RSV immunity debt crisis in NZ is frightening because it actually does kill little kiddies (unlike Covid)

ABC news just said "from", twice.

Would be good to know when that finding was made and the qualifications of the person who made it.

Interesting watching the finger pointing between governments and their medical advisors at the moment.

​​​​​​Is "basically zero" a zero with four other figures in front of it?
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Wembley Stadium, London - 30 June 2021
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And Wembley Stadium, London - 11 July 2021

Very mask compliant, very draconian.

I'm guessing there's a bridge somewhere that's being overrun by goats.

The UK is going to be a very interesting experiment to watch.

Happy 'Freedom Day' UK! Good luck...

Wembley was a special exemption under previously agreed to EUFA rules:

“Face coverings must be worn upon entry to the stadium and in all indoor areas. You can take it off ONLY when seated in view of the pitch," says the guide.

Fans have to show either proof of vaccination or a negative COVID test result to be uploaded 48 hours before the entry into the stadium.”

otherwise the masking is strict in the UK

Define "strict" and explain how it has been enforced in practice.

The UK is as well-disciplined on C-19 precautions as its priapic PM.

Sure, let's leave aside the fact that no one in the v Germany and v Italy photos is seated, let's look at the arrivals when face coverings were required.

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Fantastic compliance?

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Evidence of a draconian lockdown?

From their data for the 18th July, 48,161 new daily cases, with 28 deaths. Corrected for population (66.65v25.36) gives 18,325 new cases and 10 deaths for an Australian "equivalent".

And yet everyone is up in arms about, what? 120 new cases total here? Puh-lease....:ugh:

Oh, and that's with 87.9% of their adult population having had their first dose and 68.3% having had their second dose!

I can say the same for all the CHOs, they operate with tunnel vision, one goal only, we must squash this virus into the ground and do this at any cost.
We will see if this bloke is wrong or right. I have more interest what will happen in the next 2 weeks in the UK than here in Melbourne.

I have enjoyied watching the Australian Media (and Pruners) pass judgement on the UK’s opening up today, particularly the ABC.

The vaccine rollout here has been like watching old people shag, and the state premiers have repeatedly prioritised politics over mental health or business. Even now the nation is a hermit of North Korean magnitude and still has no credible blueprint for opening up international borders.

But hey, let’s judge the actions of other nations that have managed to vaccinate a meaningful proportion of their populations and are attempting to move on.

That's because they have gone from an actual zero (0) on 18 May to 48,000 today.
Despite 87.9% of their adult population having had their first dose and 68.3% having had their second dose!

ill speak slowly, maybe you’ll keep up. The vaccines don’t stop you catching Covid, they reduce the virulence to something comparable with lflu. Start getting over case numbers. Regardless of vaccines they are going up.

Or just stay locked up forever.

The last time they had 7-day average case numbers as high as today they were getting 1200 deaths a day. This time, with the vaccine, it’s down to 40. So if your point is that the vaccine isn’t doing anything, you are horribly mistaken.

I hope you do more study for your next sim/check flight than you do with your vaccine research.

Not sure how many times it has to be explained that being vaccinated doesn’t mean you can’t get COVID.

What is happening in the UK right now is extremely encouraging. Cases are back through the roof but deaths and hospitalisations are ACCEPTABLY low. (Standing by for comment saying “what if it was your mother or father?”)

When Australia follows suit with a suitably vaccinated population we have a lot to look forward to towards the end of the year.

Totally agree,

but the fed and state governments (and the media) need to stop with the case numbers. They WILL go up, and the public need to understand this.

As unpleasant as the recent outbreaks and associated lockdowns are right now for many Australians I think longer term it is probably the best thing that could have happened to us for exactly the reasons you have said.

What you guys do not seem to understand is that Australia does not have the UK's vaccination rates and is not likely to any time soon but you ALL speak as though the best thing all round would be to throw the gates wide open right now.
Three more weeks and I and all of my close family and friends will have had our second A-Z. After that, you can open up whatever you like - just make sure that it's NSW first.
You might get a job with Rex for a while.

Oh stop your sooking, no one is saying that - except maybe that bloke who eats nothing but garlic. :rolleyes:

[QUOTEYou might get a job with Rex for a while.[/QUOTE]

I’d say you even got a better outlook with Covid than with Rex.

Will be interesting to see what the comments are going to be like this time next year when lockdown No 15 is being extended by the Vict lunatic! This lunacy will never end!

Doesnt look like investors are believing Boris's hype....global sell off in markets around the world...biggest sell off is in travel stocks, IAG was the biggest decline on the FTSE 100

Stock markets these days go up and down like yo yos. The Dow can be 1000 down one day and up 1200 the next. When we see a trend and not spikes you can start worrying.

I think most of us do understand. See post #6067 if you don’t believe me…

“Yet another Australian media scare mongering campaign almost purely focussing on case numbers. I don’t think now is the time to let COVID run its course in Aus with our currently pitiful vaccination stats but I certainly think the UK is justified in its actions.”

If you want to get mad at someone, divert your hatred towards the PM. We're in this feedback loop because of him.

And all he does is post figures that try to make his dismal failure look like a success. Guess thats what marketing people do,suck you in by throwing any facts & figures around to actually distract from the real facts.

Is it a race yet?

Hope the ink isnt dry on the budget figures

UUmmm....What's that about an 'actual zero (0)' on May 18??
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....76eb54b6bc.jpg

Pretty sure that zero on that date (or around it) was deaths. First zero death day since the start of the pandemic rings a bell.

We are in this "feedback loop" because all of our various government's 'leaders' - including the PM - are acting in an adversarial, politically driven manner designed to impact on the political landscape, not in the best interests of the whole Australian population. One would hope that when this pandemic is less of a hourly (minutely if there were such a word) news bite, a decision will be made by a very brave politician or two, to ensure that we react as a nation not a conglomerate of States, to deal with any future similar event.

I doubt however, there will ever be a politician with the guts to do such a thing……...

West Australians in South Australia are being told to come home now.. ASAP. I think a border closure is about to happen.

Yep, you're right. Sounds like WingNut has crossed threads...

There's still a couple of jurisdictions McGowan hasn't locked out yet, but I've no doubt he'll get there. It'd be amusing if it wasn't so disgraceful that a NZ citizen from Auckland can freely travel to WA, but an Australian citizen in Armidale cannot. Neither have had any Covid cases in their area, but I guess that's what "health advice" is...Locking out 78% of the Australian people from one of their own states, and requiring another 8.5% to quarantine when they get there. I guess the remaining 3% from Tasmania and the Territory can keep WA's interstate tourism industry going.

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This is becoming crazier by the day. The world is opening up and we are still in this lockdown cycle.

I can’t see this way of life going away until at least December 31.

I would expect rolling Sydney leaks across August and September.

https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...-delta-variant

a bit of a comparison.
New Zealand only contracted Pfizer and Israeli data is suggesting that its efficacy drops off pretty quickly against delta. Fully vaccinated people are being hospitalised now and Pfizer is talking about boosters..I got a bad feeling about this

i read dropping to 60% after only 6 months....not good

Astra Zeneca ppl the drug of choice

That one has a an efficacy of only 63% to begin with, would be interesting to see how effective that is after 6 months if Pfizer is down to 60%.

At least I won’t have to hide my needle tracks at the medical anymore

Boosters have almost always been planned, especially in the older age brackets as their immune response is not as strong as their younger counterparts. There's a lot of ongoing research currently in what combinations of vaccines give the strongest protection.
Watch this space.