Like somebody previously posted,nobody really knows what the truth is so we have to go with opinions & some we agree with & some we dont so heres mine.
It is true that vic is on a knife edge but it seems like the community transmission is well under control whereas in nsw at least 25% of the daily cases have been out doing their own thing(take a look at bondi yesterday) which of course relates to the willingness of people to listen to advice.

Vic seems to be largely on top of this. I think we can expect a few days extension perhaps but it looks pretty good to be done within two weeks.

NSW is a mess and will be for weeks at the very least, if not months. Gladys is rattled. Communication is poor. Messaging is getting lost.

The message for governments is now stark and very clear - any community transmission, lock down immediately to minimise both the health and economic impacts, at least until an appropriate percentage of the population is vaccinated, whatever that may be.

13 cases in vic today,all linked to current outbreak.
Almost 55000 tests yesterday so definitely heading the right way.

NSW is out for at least 12 weeks. Vic will be back in two. My tik tok prediction.

Whoa, hang on there. That solution is DEFINITELY NOT the way to go. The fear mongering is unbelievable. Mildura has 1 case, and you think Locking down Portland and every other regional town is acceptable. LOCKDOWNS are not the answer for infection cases that are not remotely close to overwhelming the health system. What is necessary is contact tracing and subsequent close contact isolation. Wearing of masks, and washing of hands. (interesting how the hand washing messages of the past have vanished), and getting vaccinated. Lockdowns are causing more deaths from suicide in Australia as a result of economic hardships resulting from business collapses and stand downs than Octogenarians who have passed.

A disturbing trend of media sensationalism I noticed yesterday is the reporting in the vein of "Disturbing exposure sites increases to 280". WTF! who care about the number of exposure sites. The number of deaths is important, and the number of ICU admissions. Seriously - reporting the death of 92 year old from covid, is hardly responsible. Get some perspective Australians.

It's pretty clear that solution IS the way to go, and is the model all state governments will be following until we reach the mythical unicorn of herd immunity by vaccination. Doesn't matter what I think, or what you think, the evidence is clear. Vic should be on top of their outbreak inside two weeks while NSW will be 6 weeks to the end of the current planned lockdown, but no-one of any expertise expects it to end there. Contact tracing cannot withstand the the transmissability of current variants. I wish it were otherwise, but if wishes were horses....

It would if people followed the health directions.

I attended an outdoor event yesterday that required a Check In. While I was in a position to observe the Q-Code, I saw two people check - about 10% of all who passed the sign during that period.

During the main event, a family of 5 adults and one child sat about 3 metres away from us. None of the adults were wearing masks.

Instead of the media highlighting this B$ about how people are frightened of police, the media should be reinforcing the requirements of the health directions.
We seem to get a lot of reporting on the excuses of why people cannot get a jab. Where is their social responsibility?

I wonder if they have the same fear about paramedics and ventilators.

Lest you be accused of your own bit of fear mongering, do you have any evidence to back up your claim of a substantial increase in suicides in Australia as a result of lockdown?
I'm genuinely interested as the overseas studies I've seen do not support.

Yes the obsession with deaths and cases is distracting. In the meantime noone has mentioned the 415 deaths in the first three months of the year due to influenza and pneumonia. At some point COVID deaths will become just another paragraph in this list.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/he...latest-release

That is quite likely but your post conceals a common non sequitur; that because we have become inured to a certain death rate from other causes then if we just open up right now then COVID will be just like the flu.
This is a very common argument from those who just want to open up. Those people should refer back to the Victorian outbreak of 2020 or the current one in NSW.

The deaths and disability being caused now is despite the control measures being taken.
And if you're concerned about the mental anguish caused from being locked down and out of work think what losing your wife and eldest daughter might do to you.

Or, on another tack, have a look at the 20% increase in gun violence deaths in the US over the 12 month period of Trump's "let it run" policy.
Only a few thousand additional lives lost. Hardly worth counting. Puny by comparison to the deaths from Covid in the Trumpdom.

That contention is often repeated but there is little hard data to support it and some hard data that actually contradicts it.

Three states - Queensland, New South Wales, and Victoria - have released their 2020 suspected deaths by suicide data for 2020. As the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare notes,

Suspected deaths by suicide in Victoria, the lockdown state of 2020, were essentially unchanged from the previous two years. In fact, the 699 suspected deaths by suicide for 2020 was slightly lower than in 2019 (718) and similar to 2018 (700). Moreover, if you look at suicides by month throughout the lengthy second 2020 lockdown (June - October), they average below the annual average for 2020.

New South Wales recorded a nearly 5 percent year-on-year drop in suspected deaths by suicide in 2020, with 898, as opposed to 944 in 2019.

The Queensland data is mixed. Noting that they have only reported for the first seven months of 2020 (to 31 July), the headline data shows a slight increase in suspected deaths by suicide for that period, 454, when compared to the 445 for the same period in 2019. Queensland Police Service reports for the same period indicate that COVID-19 may have contributed towards 28 suspected suicides, through either or a combination of - affecting mood, coping, stress and anxiety; employment; social isolation; changes in access to healthcare support; relationship breakdown; and finances. Of note in that QPS reporting, "finances" was mentioned in only one case (relatedly "employment" was mentioned in 11 cases, which may have included the single "finances" case).

Any data-based discussion on suicide numbers and rates is hampered in the first instance by the fact that there is no national register. The states, except for South Australia, manage their own registers - South Australia doesn't have one at all. Secondly, there's the lag in reporting. Presently there is no good data for this year.

We won't see the national data for 2020 until around October this year but based on the numbers from the eastern states it is very likely that 2020 will have been only the sixth year since 2006 when suicides are down year-on-year against the prior year.

Possibly no one has mentioned it because they show a marked improvement on previous years.

As always, read the details (per your link).

So, zero in the Influenza deaths column and 148 fewer deaths from Pneumonia column when compared to the previous year. Form your own views as to what might be contributing to those outcomes.

The TikTok leaker has apparently been busted. Still no reason why Health couldn’t release the stats at say 9am, rather than dragging it out 15 hours.

I will agree with you right up until the day everyone who is eligible for the vaccine has been offered one.

Mate, I don't want to get into a debate about the statistics. I've read them. I linked them because I thought they were of interest. Obviously some of the actions taken due to COVID have affected the tally of deaths due to other respiratory diseases. I was merely reflecting on CRH's point about distracting media coverage.

And if you read the details you will have noted that influenza and pneumonia are linked for a good reason.

Nowhere have I suggested opening up or that COVID is just like the flu.

looks like SA about to fall as well

Then what was your point? That media reports are distracting? Yep, I'll go along with that.

And the Olympics farce continues. Why the hell is it going ahead. Covid in the Olympics village and now… all before the start ..

Six British Olympic athletes and two team staff are self-isolating in their hotel rooms in Tokyo after being identified as close contacts of a passenger who subsequently tested positive for coronavirus on their plane to Japan, the British Olympic Association has announced.

According to a statement, the individual who has tested positive is not a member of the Team GB delegation but was a close contact during their flight to Japan on Thursday.

It comes as Olympic organisers revealed two athletes tested positive for coronavirus in Tokyo, as the South African football team announced that two of their players - Thabiso Monyane and Kamohelo Mahlatsi - had tested positive.
Mahlatsi and Monyane are the first athletes in the village to be reported positive, adding to the uncertainty around the Tokyo Olympics that are to open on Friday after being delayed a year by the pandemic. Video Analyst Mario Masha from the South African squad also tested positive on arrival in Tokyo as the team prepares to face hosts Japan on Thursday.

Indeed - i do feel sorry for the Japanese though, the investment in the Olympics would be astronomical! It should have been cancelled with all the host cities pushed back 4 years. ie Japan to host it in 2024.

It’s just about money for the IOC. Japan is in a worse position now ( Covid wise) than it was last year, when the games were canceled. The whole thing will be a disaster.

This vaccination advertisement has just been launched by various Aussie arts groups and its miles ahead of the Fed Govs ad - but that's not surprising.

Well those two removals people, the brothers who along with one other who were WuHu flu positive and went out west.., their mother in her 50s has just been found dead in her house. Dead of covid. Of course I feel sorry for them but they were quite happy to potentially spread it around so there’s that,

It’s there in my original post. Questions?

as expected SA basically going into semi lockdown

So I would expect WA to close to SA shortly. Everyone might as well close to everyone else and just be done with it!!!

Gladys said to 80% vaccination rate for no restrictions. Any one want to guess the odds of getting to that?! I reckon...... never.

The sooner we accept the need to vaccinate teenagers the better

coatsworth says 50%, then life back with some restrictions around mask use and people per square metre.

The problem with this is how palatable is that way of living, certainly wouldn't be entertained prior to an election? Particularly where vast swathes of the country live the pre-covid way of life.

I guess we can all see how it pans out in Europe, many places are re-imposing restrictions with that level of vaccination (Netherlands as one example)

Gladys said 80%. State premiere over rules any fed.

Incorrect, its "HEALTH ADVISE" that rule's over any state premiere, or fed, or common sense.

I dont think the cause has been confirmed,if she was ill due to covid why wasnt she getting medical attention?
I think there may be more to this,maybe guilt ridden & decided she couldnt face her mistake any longer,i guess we will find out soon enough.

I agree. This sounds suspect. Did she die FROM Covid or WITH Covid .....?

The uk has 90% of all eligible citizens with one shot..and their cases have dropped right back to basically zero right..oh and they have fantastic levels of mask compliance..and until a few hours from now they’ve been in a draconian lockdown..and it’s summer when respiratory viruses are at lowest ebb..woohoo. Everything Australia has to look forward to once everyone bends to the will of their masters :rolleyes:

When has common sense been used lately. Gladys said 80 and that’s what she will do.

the U.K. most certainly hasn’t been in a draconian lockdown until today. Today is just the move to step 4, which is essentially all restrictions come to an end. The only difference from yesterday to today really is that night clubs can open and mask wearing in no longer a legal requirement indoors.
Cases are still high, but deaths remain very very low and so do hospital admissions. It’s a fact of life that we have to live with this disease now. For context, 40 people died yesterday in the U.K. with Covid. 500 people died of cancer and the same of heart related disease.

Eh? 48,000 new cases on the 18th.
Not quite zero.

How's this for an estimation. Where the UK are right now is where Australia should be by Christmas. It must go ballistic and ballistic it will.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...rategy-england