Great post minigun, well summed up!

What he/she/they said!!

Beautifully written! minigundiplomat. Politicians though are ordinary elected australians like us, unlike the the public service that's supposed to be qualified professionals executing the will of the people. It's clearly not what it used to be, all the good ones soaked up by the private sector and replaced by a bunch of new Australians, with level 4 English at best that the private sector wouldn't employ, they will become the next generation of senior public servants.
On a completely different note, China appears to be doing quite well with only 40 or so cases a day for the largest population in the world, extraordinary achievement don't you think.

Brilliant :D

Totally agree, and Peter Costello was one of those good ones. If he became PM, how different this country would be today. Even if he came back today, he would landslide election after election.

Very well written. The post of the year so far.

MCD

Yep, bloody amazing. Check out FR24 over China right now - looks a bit healthier than Australia!

So predictable.

Scotty hides behind the medical experts' advice on the question: "How do we battle Covid-19?", when the political heat ramps up due to the costs (the real costs) of acting on that advice.

The medical experts say - correctly - that it's always Scotty's job to make the decision whether to act on the advice. The medical experts aren't in a position to make the cost/benefit decision.

(And minigundiplomat: You're off with fairies. All of this is fantastic for Australia's economic numbers. That's why we should all be celebrating and encouraging further lockdowns and border closures.)

What is making commentary now primarily outside of Australia is the condition known as Long Covid. Up to ten body system can be affected producing heart attacks and brain abnormalities with no ability yet to treat these conditions. One professor from Bristol noted that following the 1918 Flu pandemic Parkinson disease rose significantly and that around half a million Brits may end up with Long Covid. He is particularly concerned for children as their brains are developing. I feel health specialists realise the highest priority must be to prevent people acquiring the disease so that not only is there less immediate strain on the health system, but a 'dormant' dilemma is not seeded within the post covid patient group.

In our country we're almost set up to fail. We basically build homes and holes (housing and mining). Politicians make believe using highly visible business activity to reassure the average voter they're safe, that they have a sense of future certainty. It gains the politician kudos. Without the 'busy-feel' and the associated media releases, Australian politician have nothing. That is their A game. I say never again buy the notion '......... keeping Australians safe.....' The truth is more like ......... ' ...... making Australians think they're safe........'.

My point is decades of spin, deception, scheming and individual failures has meant proper governing skills and the chance to develop those skills has been forfeited, lost forever. You never get a day back. We all let it happen mostly because we felt busy and safe.

Now the real game is on.

The Australian politicians' A game won't work anymore but that won't stop them trying it. Health professional such as epidemiologists are generally not heavy hitters.......... smart, intelligent and wise but up against a politician hell bent on busy = safe, I don't hold a lot of hope for sound leadership out of this turmoil. The last eighteen months would say there's good reason to be concerned.

And happy to be so, however unpopular that position is. I’ve said all I have to say and won’t be posting anything further. But before I go, I’ll just pose a question.

Australia used to be THE global benchmark in courage, tenacity, resilience and innovation. When did we become fearful, silent and pearl clutching automons that acquiesce to anything and question nothing?

Queen P about to jump for joy in half an hour. Let me guess, we will get a "This will put Brisbane on the map", comment. Hope the borders are open by then.

She will probably still be there in 2032. Scotty not so sure.

Long Covid afflicts almost exclusively those that previously suffered from hypochondria

So now she has Queensland Olympics for Queenslander's to add to their Queensland Hospitals. Wonder if anyone south of the Tweed River will be allowed to attend?

No surprise here. WA vaccination rates behind the rest of the country. At the end of the day many regions unaffected by COVID don’t give a stuff about the rest of us copping it.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-...alia/100312320

Got a source for that, champ?

Just been listing to 3aw and Dr Ross Walker (a Sydney doc) stated the original Wuhan strain was 5 times more deadly than this delta variant. The Delta variant is only 5 times
more spreadable, though not as deadly. Interesting, all the Chants, Youngs, Suttons declare it's a killer, more deadly than anything, a beast.
The 5 that have sadly passed in NSW were all unvaccinated. That is all your going to get, from NSW health. Any comorbidities, well your not to know.
Also mentioned, 2 of the ICU patients at the moment are Obese. He works in hospitals and I guess news gets around. Just shows governments want to brainwash our minds
with fear, and dower facts. However, slowly slowly bit by bit, little bits of news like this will bring out the truth. You might be able to get a podcast of this tomorrow 'Nights with Dennis Walter'.

Nothing like selective quoting and drawing your own conclusions. Here's what you Dr Ross Walker really thinks about how well the government and the health minister, Greg Hunt, have done in combating covid. Slighly different to your take.

Interview with Dr Ross Walker, 2GB Healthy Living, on the COVID-19 vaccine roll out | Health Portfolio MinistersDR ROSS WALKER:

Greg, can I say, firstly, congratulations to you and your medical team for what you've done in the management of COVID. And I know there's been a few hiccups with the vaccine, but obviously the roll out's going to occur.

But also it's, in many ways, overshadowed the extraordinary achievements with all of the other things, you know, other aspects of medicine you've done. Some of the great drugs you've been able to get on through the PBS for people who otherwise has to pay so much money and couldn't afford it.

So really, I'm in awe of you as our Health Minister, and I hope you stay in the position for many years to come.

That was back in April, wasn't it? Here's his most recent views on the current situation in Sydney. At 6:30 he acknowledges the extraordinary job that the NSW CMO has done to date, but goes on to disagree with her outdoor masking advice.

How times change.
Queen P gave an emphatic "no" to the idea of an Olympic bid when first raised by the SE Qld Mayors

Your post appears to have struck a chord with those easily entertained by little more than uncouth pontifications bestrewed with the odd expletive. If you haven't worked in a contract tracing centre in each state and in a health care covid clinic in each state then you already don't know a majority of how the situation has been managed, in each state. It also sounds as though you're lacking in awareness of how each of the federated states operates as a part of our nation. About the only point you may've hit on the head, albeit inadvertently, is the political nature of some of the so-called "lockdowns" but you'd like to think even the dimmest of observers could see that for what it is. Still, you appealed to the peanut gallery so, well done to you. Please post some links to media reports from outside Australia indicating this country is a "laughing stock" to the rest of the world.

And here you post as self appointed Lord of the peanuts.

Condescending hypocrite.

What a load of garbage.

So only those involved in the health system are allowed to judge or pass comment?

The measures used to combat the virus are wide ranging and affect everyone. We are all “end users” in this system. It would be much better (and more sustainable) if there was more weight put on the opinions of normal people! The lack of balance in weighing up restrictions is what got us to this point to start with. And before you get your knickers in a twist, by more weight I mean more than the 0% currently applied. It’s been 100% “health advice” for the last 18 months.

If you’re looking for opinion/commentary having a go at Australia’s policies so far, you won’t find it. Believe it or not, but the various talking heads around the world have better things to do! It’s only Aussies in Australia that think they’re that important.

But there’s plenty of factual reporting covering the various restrictions in place. If you bothered to read them you would find almost universal disappointment and anger from Australians stuck overseas looking back. They are the ones that care. They are also “end users” of the farcical quarantine system. Which is another example of COVID policy that hasn’t progressed (for the benefit of all) since it was implemented. Here’s a good summary article to save you the hassle.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...accine-rollout

Can someone please make a list of specific qualifications and recent experience that qualifies a person to have an opinion on Covid 19

at this point from observation it appears the requirement is a PHD in a medicine field, a masters in health management, and 18 months of continuous failure in a bureaucratic government health position

Speaking of things we’re not allowed to reference, the CDCs VAERS website is now reporting 12500 deaths “adjacent” to getting a Covid vaccination. (Of course the criteria for apportioning blame to the vaccine is not the same as the criteria for apportioning blame to Covid when a death occurs so ignore this number)

also the VAERS website is known to be unreliable (*cough underreports *cough) so disregard

She did very well considering it was a foregone conclusion as basically nobody else wanted it.
Hope shes got some money put aside for the infrastructure.
Maybe hidden in a Qld bank thats only for Queenslanders🤭

Thanks for the laugh mate.

I needed that and really enjoyed your sarcastic humour. Keep them coming!!.

I think the general consensus is that Aiustralia is a laughing stock from within its borders. Forget about looking for comentary from overseas.

" Bestrewed". Love it. Is that like " Strewth " guvna?

MCD

Where are you getting 12,500 deaths from? The CDC summary as of 19 July 2021 states '6,079 reports of death':

That's the CDC's bolding.

How old were they? Any underlining health issues?

I live in an Australian retirement town. God's Waiting Room. Many look like they'll be dead in weeks. Overweight and immobile. Yet we are surround by beaches and fine food. Western societies sure have some major health concerns beyond COVID.

Speaking of things we are not allowed to mention, it is always a good idea to research impartially both sides of the argument without bias. Given that we have zero debate in this country and "its our way or the highway" a little research of the "opposition" and what they say can fill in the big picture

https://www.globalresearch.ca

The truth is, nobody knows what the truth is

Looking to the future as far as I am concerned this is all you have to look at.

If you can’t see the positives in this graph for the UK you are either stupid, or want to live in a bubble forever.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....660f4a406.jpeg

Acknowledging Australia isn’t there with vaccinations YET, but when we get there I truly hope the Australian Govt/Premiers show some balls and follow the UKs lead.

Middle Ground Fallacy Examples to Spot During an Argument

Yes, there is a verifiable truth, and you’re not getting it from that website:

Overall, we rate GlobalResearch a Tin Foil Hat Conspiracy and Strong Pseudoscience website based on the promotion of unproven information such as the dangers of Vaccines and 9-11 as a false flag operation.

And that’s just more solid evidence to debunk anti-vaxxers.

The difference between UK and Australia being the UK has administered first dose to 90% and second dose to 70% of the adult population, Australia is at 29% and 11% respectively.

Telling graph!
But.....Sky news reporting that the death rate in US is 0.5/100000 in largely unvaccinated group. Death rate in UK is 0.4/100000 in largely vaccinated group.
Maybe that Dr Ross is onto something.

[QUOTE]I live in an Australian retirement town. God's Waiting Room. Many look like they'll be dead in weeks. Overweight and immobile. Yet we are surround by beaches and fine food. Western societies sure have some major health concerns beyond COVID.[/QUO

Lifestyle choices are generally not contagious and therefore you have the choice whether to die from obesity and its related diseases. Covid is a Virus, when one person gets it and acts irresponsibly they can pass it onto someone who has done everything right and they die from it. Also being a virus it has an evolutionary drive to exist, the longer it stays in a community, and the wider it spreads, the more likely it will change and adapt to its hosts defenses, the same way in which it jumped host species to start this off.

One of the sad realities of letting covid run in the community is that those in aged care and those that are vulnerable will be shut off from having a normal life and consigned to a jail like existence, again comes down to what price is freedom for the rest of us. I have family in aged care, and they are have been in lockdown for most of this pandemic. Are you all willing to work hard all life and then be jailed in retirement instead of being able to travel? What is done to the old and frail in this instance will set the tone for how you are treated later in life.

As far as deaths from vaccines, the general medical stance is what is the benefit verses the cost. When you undertake corrective surgery for a condition the doctor will inform you of the risk, normally in percentage, some common procedures like joint replacement can be around the 0.5% rate of death, way higher than any vaccine. There is a vast difference between the death rate of 1 in 100 thousand vaccine deaths vs 1 in 100 deaths from the virus it protects against, which can easily climb to 1 in 20 deaths if the health system is overwhelmed. The WHO considers a acceptable death rate as better than 1 in 10,000.

One set of news that does apply to our group is that I learned of another Pilot in the US who is looking at permanent grounding from the aftereffects of Covid, stay away from it, get vaccinated, then keep staying away from it.

Bob, I advocate looking at different views and perspectives but with a finite amount of time I'm simply not going to be allocating much of that to stories about the Pfizer vaccine being laced with graphene oxide or that mRNA vaccines are permanently altering the human genome.

And no, leaving aside the logical invalidity of that statement, there are plenty of objective, testable truths.

for some reason they’ve revised the number back down again..for a brief time it was 12000 plus

“Between December 14, 2020, through July 19, 2021, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) received 12,313 reports of death among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine.

UPDATE: As of 2:30 PM CT on July 21, 2021, the CDC's website modified the number of VARS reports related to COVID-19 vaccination deaths from 12,313 to 6,079, through July 13, 2021. The CDC's webpage Last Update date remains July 19, 2021.”

You guys keeping posting those numbers without ever including this statement on the exact same page:

FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines.

You keeping repeating those figures but never include that statement. Every time you do someone sensible here points out that CDC statement, but you guys continue to post that rubbish again and again as if you’ve just made some incredible discovery the “brainwashed sheeple” aren’t aware of.

Can’t you see people on this page aren’t falling for this?

It may be because the WHO only just released a definition of what constitutes a death related to the vaccine. Specifically related to low platelet count of those that died from clots post Jab. Others may have been ruled out as coincidental deaths, not caused by the vaccine. You have to remember the causation is not clearly understood, but they now have an understanding around the circumstance, so can verify if it was due to vaccine or not, or at least rule out those that were definitely not.

Nah the dumb fvcks will just say it’s proof Delta is less dangerous