Because we are a bit irrational when it comes to assessing risk. This was a good article on it: https://www.smh.com.au/national/worr...20-p58beh.html

Using what is nothing more than a disclaimer on the VAERS website as support for your specious argument while ignoring the acknowledged fact of deaths with (or after having had) Covid 19 being counted as deaths from Covid 19 in this country and others, thereby inflating death tolls and adversely influencing public opinion, is hypocritical and disingenuous at best. At worst it is grossly misleading and potentially damaging to the ignorant who, amazingly, seem to find the basis for their beliefs in, of all places, this forum. Your skill is in cherry-picking factoids and assembling them in such a way as to imply authority and a veracity beyond question, to suit your own preferred perspective. Despite urging others to acknowledge some vague proposition of your own you won't acknowledge or clarify your true motivation for your attempts to convince the uncertain.

I suppose they can. If you're insisting that they do so, let's also ask that the "vaxers" also "post as to whether (or not) they've lost their livelihoods in aviation due to COVID19" vaccination? I know of several who have but doubt they're contributing on here.

My apologies, wong, obviously I hadn't thought of you, specifically, when I referred to the desperate, ignorant, occasionally rabid, knuckle-dragging mouth-breathers of the peanut gallery and am saddened to learn you consider yourself one of them. If it helps, I firmly doubt your knuckles truly drag.

What a valuable contribution Muttley, can you please post a link from a credible source where you verify these “facts”:

It’s curfew time Gladys.

The stories being put on talkback this morning the mind boggles. Home to Home transmission will be impossible to contain. Can they not go a few weeks of their lives without going to someone else’s house? Is it really that bloody hard?

Couldnt agree more,its not what i or anyone else wants but as you say 'is it really that bloody hard'.
The same can be said about groups of people exercising together at bondi,is it that bloody hard to exercise alone or if with someone to stay a couple of metres apart?

You can’t exercise with a coffee in hand. Bondi are treating it as a joke.

Walk, talk, drink coffee. Perfect way to get in some exercise.

Just out of interest, to the pilot group, hard wired for contingency. How many have a bugout plan in the event of a breakout strain that turns out to be fatal, vaccinated or not.
That's a pre-planned course of action and the trigger, not what you're going to do on the day when the news breaks.

Bugout of what? Aviation? Society? There’s **** loads of stuff that can kill us including life itself. What are you afraid of?

well we need something to spice up the thread abit. It's got boring with the same old crap, Time for some new crap.

My survival template for Martian invasion should hold up for this scenario.

My plan? Wait for another vaccine!

Seems like the Aussie way nowadays is to cower, hide, and wait for someone else to do something! :-)

Heard a professor from Harvard medical school on radio this morning. Made the most sense of anyone. Simply put he said get the vulnerable vaccinated, those over 60. Then open up. No lockdowns. We are just about at that point now. He also said getting children vaccinated was not a good option as they are at more risk of the vaccine than the virus. But what do we have nsw saying today, get the 12 plus year old kids vaccinated. How many 12 year olds have died worldwide of WuHu flu.

lockdowns cause massive financial and mental harm and delay other treatment for serious disease.

we should get the over 60s vaccinated which could be achieved by the end of August. Then no more lockdowns in any state, no more border closures.

as an aside, as we all knew about the Queensland border closure, apparently a hotel on the border near tweed heads was booked a week ago for 80 police starting today. So yes the border closure was pre planned a week ago, just after all the league families arrived .

The UK counts dying from any cause within 4 weeks of a positive test in their "Covid Deaths" summary. I am led to believe they have now moved exclusively to (2), but it still does not differentiate someone dying with Covid from someone dying because of Covid.

You could die from a heart attack or stroke within those 28 days and it'll still count towards their "Death by Covid" statistics. I do not have the time nor inclination to try to find and go through their published cause-of-death statistics to try to determine any significant differences from previous years for each listed cause of death. You're more than welcome to if you so desire...

War of the Worlds 2019, two seasons, not a bad sci-fi show, keeps you engaged.

Hey Foxster:

From the CDC:

“331 minors under 18 have died with Covid out of 626,000 deaths overall, and 41 minors under 18 have died after receiving the Covid vaccine out of 6,000 deaths overall.”

Kids, look at the 0 to 9 year old group. 12 year olds, I suspect most of those under 18 would be nearer 18. There are also complications associated with vaccines.

https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2...CFR-by-age.png

Interestingly, the age distribution of mortality by COVID-19 (the distribution of the proportion of deaths per age group among all deaths), is similar between Italy, Japan, and Spain, even though the number of deaths are quite different among them23,24,25 (Fig. 1). The reported number of deaths was 3 in 0–9 years old (yo), 0 in 10–19 yo, 11 in 20–29 yo, 58 in 30–39 yo, 257 in 40–49 yo, 1,051 in 50–59 yo, 3,107 in 60–69 yo, and 25,038 in 70 + yo in Italy as of May 13, 2020. In Japan, that was 0 in 0–9 yo, 0 in 10–19 yo, 0 in 20–29 yo, 2 in 30–39 yo, 8 in 40–49 yo, 16 in 50–59 yo, 44 in 60–69 yo, and 330 in over 70 + yo as of May 7, 2020. In Spain, that was 2 in age 0–9 yo, 5 in 10–19 yo, 23 in 20–29 yo, 61 in 30–39 yo, 198 in 40–49 yo, 607 in 50–59 yo, 1669 in 60–69 yo, and 16,253 in over 70 + yo as of May 12, 2020.

but I think I have misquoted him. Or got two separate interviews mixed. So ignore the children vaccine bit, apologies.

here is the link to the actual interview.

https://www.2gb.com/harvard-professo...-lockdown-now/

I believe you might be being a little disingenuous here, saying ‘The UK counts…’. Your source is a Public Health England document, which is not the same as the Office of National Statistics. Your PHE document itself states, as a limitation of its data, that ‘the PHE data series does not report cause of death, and as such represents deaths in people with COVID-19 and not necessarily caused by COVID-19.’ It’s quite open about that. Whereas the ONS data (which I would assume is the official figure) has to have had Covid recorded on the death certificate.

The question was "what is your plan" - not "what is your plan to save the world".
I have no control over border closures, international or domestic.
I am employed and have been throughout the current pandemic - thank you Mark.
I will continue to weather whatever comes my way - because I have no control or influence over it.
And nor do you.

And I'm certainly not waiting expecting you to do anything of any import, other than run off at the mouth.

I love these two comments, bravado in the face of a virus. "Why if that virus dares comes near me, I'ma punch it in the nose" Give that man a gun and let him loose.

Now what if the virus turns out to be a conservative virus and not a liberal or even worse a damn socialist virus with communist aspirations, will you still stand up to it. I will be brave in the face of this virus, that will stop it, I will show it I'm not afraid of it, yeah, take that virus. I stand proud and will take one for the team for all human kind, because me catching the virus with millions of others will, er, hmm... what will that do? Oh, spread the virus more...... well who would've known.

Reminds me of Borat going around with a pot trying to squash Covid.

By your statement that means no one would have died due to AIDS, because you actually don't die from AIDS itself, it just cripples your immune system to the point something benign like the common cold kills you. Covid can do the same, some die directly from the virus, some die by being significantly weakened by the virus and succumbing to something simple and normally non life threatening, or suffering a cardiac arrest or stroke due to the strain on the body. A medical professional will then report a cause of death with details, such as factors leading to the death.

Is she stupid? Her crystal ball is telling her to ease restrictions in other parts of Sydney while holding them in the West. Geez that’s got success written all over it. Fark me.

Borders and this industry won’t open to this state until we get weeks off zero. I read into this presser, to which that is now impossible.

The next time I hit wheels to that Tarmac down there probably won’t be until 2022.

NZ just closed to OZ for at least the next 2 moths. Keep that Gold Standard going Gladys … it’s working well😱😱

Onya gladys. Gold standard.

Go look at her interview on the kyle and jackie show. That aged like milk

(apparently I cant link twitter)

Love the two statements “Our public is used to doing things in a certain way” and “it’s a question of trust”.

Unfortunately for Gladys she relied on both of those things and they let her down. Moral of story- trust no one and make sure the rules are set in place to cater for the stupidest village idiot.

I'd be very surprised if you didn't know this already and were not simply choosing to play at being ignorant rather than address the issue substantively. Sutton admitted such months ago and the press have largely chosen not to challenge this misleading anomaly.

You seem to be an arbiter of which sources are credible and which aren't and you could easily search for sources yourself (although I'm sure this wouldn't fit your 'narrative') but here's one that came up after a single search attempt; it's on the La Trobe University website which wouldn't ordinarily be my first choice of source but I'm disinclined to conduct your research for you any further than that and let's face it, we both know you're already well aware of this inconvenient (for you) truth, anyway.

To sum up, you appear to be comfortable with deaths with being reported as deaths from Covid19 but your sense of propriety is offended by the disclaimer which suggests the mere possibility, not the certainty, of some stats on the VAERS website being erroneous. Please tell us all how that's not hypocritical and disingenuous.

Free society can't operate like that.

hence why COVID is such a b*tch

Road rules are a common example of set for idiots. Unfortunately that's how the modern world has to run now, partially because their are idiots and also because smarter indivduals take advantage of lax rules and get away with illegal activities.

I’d still like to see some actual evidence that this is what’s happening, and not just something that’s repeated often enough that people just believe it’s true.

Looks like Qld could be in trouble. Flight attendant tested positive but had done 6 flight to regional areas in Qld.

Its in Dreamworld as well

If any good can come out of today, it’s this. Gladys may change her strategy of suppression and surrender on it.
I think she now recognises that this is impossible. Today might be the day that all health departments start to
advise us we now have to live with it.

I don’t know if that will happen.

You can dream lol. None of the other states will

Has to happen at some point, Australians not ready physically (vaccinated) or emotionally (living in denial). It’s part of our existence and the day is coming when the government and the people will say you had your chance at getting vaccinated and good luck.

Yes i have been thinking that its not that far away.
I read an article this morning where Dan Andrews said he wants 2022 to be a year without lockdowns & this will happen by having anyone who wants to be vaccinated being able to do so & then basically the people who dont want it will find there will be many places/events they will be unable to attend.
So,like you say 'good luck after you have had your chance'

I think he said something along the lines of “we’re not locking down to protect you, if you won’t protect you”.

Not a big Dan fan but that is spot on .