Anybody thinking about 60% about March last year would take that against any variant. That was the hope back then.
After all that is all your going to get when you get flu shot. What was the 4th stage Scomo ruling, we must live with this like the flu.
Don't forget you have 98.0% of not dying unvaccinated, so that figure must be higher if vaccinated.

And Tasmania is now shut to South Australia. There will be nowhere left to fly soon.

Israeli data is suggesting vaccines are preventing serious illness from COVID. 93% versus 97% previously. Yes, more people are getting COVID with the Delta mutation. That could even make sense considering such a high percentage of the adult population vaccinated now.

You can play with stats or take a look at Israel's neighbour to see how an unvaccinated population coping. I guess Syria isn't a nation anymore, however, Lebanon is and is facing turmoil.

Has me wondering, how many reluctant vaxers, here on this thread, have lost their flying jobs due COVID? So many seem comfortable that our economic resilience is guaranteed again.

A prolonged pandemic will get to you eventually.

Add Queensland to that now.
My hypothetical is coming to fruition. That is, if every state/territory recorded half a dozen cases,
then closing the borders is superfluous. Everyone state is equal. It's a political border with the same surroundings either side of it.

And the NT.

And parts of regional NSW will now join the club into lockdown, expect the border to QLD and others will fully close now

Interestingly yesterday the USA has UPGRADED its COVID travel advisory to the highest level, backtracking on the idea of restarting transatlantic travel to the UK, seems they are increasingly worried about delta variant. The new advice from the US says: "Because of the current situation in the United Kingdom, even fully vaccinated travellers may be at risk for getting and spreading Covid-19 variants."

Now Orange, country town in NSW to lockdown from midnight. How long is this madness going to continue!

I wonder if it will even get a mention by GB tomorrow, she doesnt like to go into the details

I hope the UK has much success being a case study letting it rip at 70% as we will have enough trouble entering the 70s let alone waiting it out to hit the 80s. We cannot wait another year to reach a magical number to then end lockdowns.

We should have a timeframe of perhaps the end of Jan or Feb, regardless of what vaccine number we arrive at, it’s then game over and it just needs to ‘rip’.

We need to start preparing for the masses clogging up the Health system in 2022. Perhaps that might scare people into getting the jab. Start building make shift portable tents and morgues in preparation for the last quarter who have no interest. The scenes in Manhattan last year reminded me of a war zone.

i wonder if they have given approval to allow visitors who have been vaccinated with AstraZeneca. Of course it is not approved for use in the US so has not been used at all. And it was a major sticking point with negotiations with the uk. The US were refusing entry to those that had used it. That is another sticking point in opening up the world. So many vaccines which are not considered equal by any means. Especially the Chinese one. Where a lot of our inbound will be coming from…

Actually it is three shires around Orange that are locked down ie Orange, Blayney, and the Cabonne Shires . The question is how long before they lock all of rural NSW, and effectively the ACT, down?

So of all Australia, only WA and Tasmania are not in some form of lockdown the moment. How are Qantas and Virgin and any other likely to survive?

Having already cancelled 10 sectors I'm giving up...it's not worth the bother

I can’t believe this is the same Australia that pushed back the Japanese at Kokoda, fought at Crete and flew bombing missions over Germany.


where did some you park your balls?

More Olympics farce..I wonder if the chook is walking around in a hazmat suit.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mes-Covid.html

Same Australia, different Australians. The ones at Kokoda, Crete and over Germany were a brave and great generation.

We've all heard that Lord Byron saying......only this one I've modified for these times......."the premiers mark their states with ruin- their control stops with the borders"....

We are a troubled nation as in a rudderless ship, without direction, without a destination, without resolve, other than division which I see amongst these pages! -(

Certainly not outside a vaccine clinic.

How mad? According to public health advice, it's ok to have heart disease, it's ok to have cancer, it's ok to have diabetes 2, it's ok to have liver or kidney disease
but don't you ever ever think about catching Covid. You are not to die of covid, not on my watch. Oh! you have a knee replacement, I'm sorry, your just have
to endure your knee pain. Your pain is the countries gain. Make that 3 fold, mental financial and surmountable stress. Thats the science. Trust the public health advise.

I tend to think the times have bred a generation that reacts more emotionally to being unfriended on FB than a WWII or WWI soldier would have reacted to losing a leg.

Keep taking away my freedom and see..

Think your rant through. If you do not make an effort to contain Covid, will you end up with more of less hospital places free to treat other conditions and more or less people to run those hospitals?

False equivalence… Evidence of immunity debt growing around the world indicates the hospitals are going to fill up anyhow because of our masking and lockdowns

Just watching that idiot KS on 9s morning show dear mongering everyone. He was saying how bad delta is and comparing to the UK saying they had 46,000 new cases and 96 deaths saying the UK are plummeting back to a lockdown out of those I couldn’t find any info on how many of those deaths were vaccinated. But Seriously WTF his statements make it clear that ppl want zero, we are all f&$ked royally.

As to hospitals filling up due to "immunity debt", the New Zealand Institute of Environmental Science and Research (ESR) filing ESR data highlights surge of respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) notes:

Further, the most recent weekly Severe Acute Respiratory Infection (SARI) surveillance report issued by the ESR notes:

So, "rates of RSV infection are still less than pre-COVID levels", the hospitalisation "rate is now again below the seasonal baseline threshold and the historical average rate for this time of year" and "rate of hospitalisations due to Severe Acute Respiratory Infection (SARI) has continued to decrease".

It doesnt matter what industry you are in.

If you are trying to run a business big or small, this current situation is beyond impossible.

The incompetance loop is running overtime and self perpetuating.

These idiots have destroyed our country.

MCD.

Do you realise it was the WW1 generation that wore masks, closed borders, instituted quarantine, instituted lockdowns, closed venues and schools, cancelled events over the 1918 H1N1 pandemic? Was that generation similarly weak?

Funny enough if you read the history of it all there were similar complaints the states were acting too independently and the Hughes federal government at the time wasn't strong enough in enforcing a consistent approach across the commonwealth.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/co...9-afa400642b97

The economy is 1.1% larger than it was pre-covid

Employment is at 4.9% which is the lowest it’s been in a decade. Participation rate is stable.

GDP is up 1.8% for the first quarter of 2021

That’s quantitative easing and injecting that printed cash into the economy

yet the DHBs are in the media complaining about being overrun and there was 500 cases in children’s hospitals

"were" in the media, past tense.

And of course, yes, let's turn to the media for our facts, what would the bodies that actually capture, analyse and report the data know?

As the ESR notes there was most assuredly a very significant spike in RSV cases but the case count has subsequently declined such that they are now back to historical baselines. It's called regression to the mean.

Re first point and third point yes larger economy is good for miners and for home owners but there are plenty who are none of these and have to work even if sick in order to survive. For example, Removalists.

Regarding the 2nd point I had to take early retirement in March 2020 so not on the stats and my wife is a casual and her hours are only 70% of pre covid and zero during a lockdown bu again not on your stats.

Many given up looking for work I’d suspect and many just hanging in to worried to quit .

Never mind that pesky $160-something budget deficit. Someone else'll pick up the tab...And don't forget GDP dropped 7% in the Mar-Jun quarter last year, and 0.3% before that. We're barely back where we were 18 months ago...Oh, and "employment" is, IIRC, defined as working but 1 hour a week or more. Work half a casual shift a week? Great, you've contributed to reducing unemployment. How many of those 95.1% of "employed" people got paid a full 38 hours a week over the last 6 months? Certainly not me - or mot of us here, I would suggest...

Sydney airport might want to rethink the buyout offer.....the numbers in NSW arnt looking good

It’s official. The situation is proper f*%#ed in Australia right now.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f17ad9730.jpeg

Well going of the last few days in Sydney Gladamir will keep it locked down till December at least. Community transmission still on the up, but that should be going down lockdown for almost 4 weeks.

United recently announcing they’re withdrawing passenger and Cargo services until October only a matter of time before others follow suit

Waiting this outbreak out until December for herd immunity or as close as possible will destroy the state.

Let’s wait until next week to see if things start to drop. It did seem near impossible in Melbourne however they did get there eventually.

Well ****, as Einstein points out, we’ve never had it so good, what I can’t understand is why nobody thought of a global pandemic as an engine for growth earlier?

I’ve had one AZ and have the second next week. I’m not a COVID denier, and neither do I believe it’s a 5G conspiracy. Like most on here, I’ve spent my entire career in an environment of regulatory compliance, so if I’m told to stay indoors or wear a mask I’m hardwired to comply.

But for those of you sitting there (many of you in government jobs) telling yourself Australia has done an awesome job, you are completely deluded. This country’s management of this virus has been a ****show of epic proportions. Geography spared us from mass infection and jobkeeper blunted some of the economic pain.

Closing international borders was a good decision, but executed by both feds and state government like 3 year olds finger painting with their own poo.

National cabinet has produced zero collaboration or consensus and merely legitimised state premiers who have repeatedly proved to be low talent administrators driven purely by reelection. In Qld the bag lady, sorry CMO, has actually sabotaged the vaccine rollout she supposedly supports.

The vaccine rollout (sorry feds, this one is all you) was a day late and a dollar short, and world class in terms of lethargy in delivery and confused messaging.

We now find ourselves a laughing stock, or we would do if the media reported any news outside of Australia or NZ, and confined to a miserable and dystopian world of often politically driven lockdowns and decimated consumer confidence, whilst the vaccine rollout continues at a rate even Burkina Faso would be ashamed of.

Yet we sit at home watching the ABC news and tutting about decisions made in the US or UK in a very different environment. Take a bow Australia