I am not doubting you. Do you have a source for all of that? I’m just interested.

In other news…. Our super smart Ballina couple have been hit with a total of $14000 in fines. They are lucky they are not in WA, they probably would be in jail.

1000’s already do. Perspective. 4’ish million dead from COVID - around 60 million die every year from all the other stuff we don’t try to eliminate.

Would love some examples because this argument doesn't hold water.

Another well said post -)
The grubby politicians have dug us a hole so deep that we will never climb out unless they can think beyond their political careers which will never happen!
Remember politicians face reflections, that's a huge negative for the general public when it comes to making decisions outside of their own greed!

For Australia alone, you can start with ~8,500 a year from "Malignant neoplasm of trachea, bronchus and lung" also known as lung cancer. The vast majority (90% men / 65% women - Source) of which is caused by - entirely voluntary, and accepted-by-Government - tobacco smoking. ABS: Leading causes of death, Australia, 2010, 2014, 2019

Of note, "Influenza and Pneumonia" caused 2,373, 2,879 and 4,124 deaths for those three years sampled, for an average of 3,125 deaths per year. Prostate cancer, around 3,100 blokes carked it per year, while around 2,900 women died from breast cancer.

So, between lung cancer, pneumonia, prostate and breast cancer we've killed off around 17,500 people a year! If you want to add motor vehicles, that's an additional 1,100 a year, nationwide...

The total deaths for each year were 143,473, 153,580 & 168,960 - averaging that gives 155,000 people dying each year.

it was mentioned on channel 7 news tonight. Expect the formal announcement tomorrow morning at 11 which is the usual premiers news conference.

Smoking - billions spent on advertising and regulation. This one is a choice and the cost is huge on the taxpayer.

Breast and prostate cancer - billions spent per year on early detection, chemo, management, charities

Motor vehicles - HEAVILY regulated with compulsory billions spent on advertising for safety, speeding and drinking. Remember when seatbelts were mandatory and people cracked the poos?


You know what all these things have in common? If they were all left unregulated the death rate would be astronomically higher just like covid. If we let it rip right now take the swedish, US or UK death rates and apply them to Aus. 30 to 50k dead, herd immunity will not be achieved either. So you're happy to increase the death rate in Australia by 30% for up to 3 years?


Another argument is the cost of a human life. Dead people don't pay tax, thousands of dead people in a short time is very bad for the economy. Worse than the current debt accrued by the LNP.

These are all fair arguments that need to be put to the population in the conversation about a post vaccinated Australia. How do we want Australia to look going forward. There's no point telling a health professional these things when their sole purpose is to safe lives regardless of the cause. There's not much point blaming our Premiers either, they are doing exactly what we expect of them at this point. Comments like we're all sheep and the like aren't helping either, despite the understandable frustration. It's like sitting on the taxiway in a departure queue and a passenger yells out, oh FFS, how long do we have to wait, this taxiway is empty all the way to the runway, take it, lets go, bloody sheep.

Thanks mate. We are behind you.. just on the news now

Pretty much every news source is reporting it now. The basics is 4 extra weeks, but some rules changed ie tradies and construction can be back working. year 12 will be back to school

Rapid antigen testing will be made available

I don't think that's going to snuff it out, numbers are getting worse not better. Easing anything isn't the way to go if the goal is to eliminate community transmission. NSW is going to be isolated from the rest of us for a few months yet.

What the? Mrs Lockdown has had one to many claytons.

May as well lift the entire lockdown, it's pointless.

I think we’re just buying time to get vaccines in arms at this point.

There is no time, it's too late, that will take weeks, by then there will be thousands of infections, all that is going to do is increase the chances of a breakout strain.
Her choices are a full uncompromising lockdown, or, let it rip. This is not going to end well.

Maybe, but it’s weeks with a lockdown rather than weeks without one. It’s about minimizing damage at this point. I agree it doesn’t look good though.

Eventually though, we will have to examine the costs of the lockdown vs lives saved (or deaths postponed) - but we are a long way from that point.

I say again, she has to lock down hard. She has to bring in the Army to the ‘communities’ that come to Australia, but don’t ‘ understand’ except when applying to Centrelink . Its now or never.

The Army isn’t getting involved.

It’s not The Day of The Triffids…

Gee it has taken a while for that fact to sink in.
That has been the point from day one.

Problem is, with no Jobkeeper people have to work. People in these 'communities' as you put it SOPS (nice privileged-white-man-dog-whistle by the way), have to go out to work and earn a crust to feed their families. Either die of starvation or die of COVID, it's a conundrum that many all over the world have had to face hence why locking down hasn't stopped the spread of this thing. People have to get out to live.

Gladys is screaming for Jobkeeper to come back seeing as Sydney is looking at another four weeks of this. Is Canberra going to listen? SloMo certainly would look after his own backyard in Sydney if he could, but the optics of playing favourites would royally screw him politically (like he isn't screwed enough already).

The NSW Premier can urge, wish, strongly encourage etc.all she likes but this situation, now, no longer affords that degree of latitude. It never actually did but given she waited too long and the action she took effectively lagged the outbreak's expansion 'by one local government area/ limo driver' she will now in my view exacerbate the problem in so far as public health is concerned. It takes a command style approach to pull together a team and thereafter a statewide community that can hold out for the relatively few weeks needed to contain this outbreak. She isn't that leader.

There are occasions particularly in politics where spin, political capital, charisma and just plain likeability get a leader out of a bind. Often, rightly or wrongly, a leader can simply 'manage' their way out of a crisis. You can't manage or message your way out of this. The facts don't lie....... Delta covid takes lives across a wider demographic, its more virulent than the Alpha, Beta or Gamma variants, it does have a very long lasting debilitating effect i.e long covid, and vaccines are still months away before all of greater Sydney has two doses.

In aviation, particularly in say the area of EP's we don't softly encourage with words like 'please', 'could you just', 'may I remind everyone' etc. because we know assertiveness saves lives. It gets the best results and whilst at the time some may say its too harsh, to not take that course is failing to properly care for those in your charge. To ease conditions whilst cases and infections are booming is not only fool hardy but clearly a political move. Those calling for a proper, thorough lockdown of all but the most essential of services are nowhere near as vocal or prominent in their public opposition as those who argue that maintaining economic activity should be paramount. She believes right now that if she manages the push back from even just a small section of the community, that will be all it takes to secure the next election.

Please tell us the facts.
How many lives has Delta taken in Australia this year?

I think her lockdown will have zero effect, if you can call it a lockdown at all. If it drags out into months, instead of a ring of steel around Sydney as suggested, you'll end up with entire regions within NSW, nearer the surrounding state borders that will want to declare themselves an uninfected quarantine region. Off limits to your own State.

In response to where you mention about softly encouraging people i have to agree.
I watched part of glayds's presser yesterday & as you say she seems to be trying to be nice all the time whereas with the vic & sa pressers the information being passed to the public is in reality telling us what has to be done.
Many people hate andrews but at least he comes across as a strong leader & in sa the cho nicola spurrier is so switched on(& so she should be).
I dont care what political party they represent,what we need is to get this under control for the good of the whole country.
Not important right now to play politics.

Not many. But that limited number has been achieved despite controls being in place.
Take the controls away, as ineffective as they may be, and the numbers would be very different.
Please refer Y2020 USA.

Being the cynic that I am, I am starting to wonder whether Beryl isn't silently playing for an end-game that goes "well this is not working, we might as well just open it all up"?
After all, that would fit right in with her earlier pronouncements.

If this national cabinet is to achieve anything at all because it has not yet. The conversation with the medical experts not premiers who want to appease ppl with the biggest opinion for their vote, is what is the END GAME! what do they want exactly. U.K latest data still has what I think is a low death rate for the population and comparative to other illness that kill. With a falling positive rate at 30.8% overtime the death rate will fall with a lower infectious rate if the U.K trends continue. We cant especially in NSW lockdown for zero cases and have 80% vax rate we don't have that time as we watch the rest of the world open up. .

Assuming all the deaths in New South Wales since 10 July are related to the delta-variant, most likely 12 so far.

A literary/cultural reference for readers of certain age.

The 80% fully vaccinated rate is absurd. Have a look at current rates around the world. If Gladys wants to wait to get to 80% fully vaccinated before we can stop restrictions and get back to any form of normality then come back this time next year, or xmas 2022. It is bloody stupid and she needs to backtrack on it immediately. There will always be a proportion of people who will not get the vaccine, the denier type. Then you will have a large number of 18 to 35 year olds especially the 18 to 25 who won’t get it because covid doesn’t affect that age group.

a realistic number is around 65%. Which we can realistically get to around the end of this year. After you get to about that number, the rate plateaus right off. Progress is very slow.

That's a blatant lie

is it… oh, so you are one of those pedantic people are you. How clever.

it affects that age group SIGNIFICANTLY LESS than other age groups and pales into insignificance compared to the risky nature of things that age group gets up to. Especially in Australia. Tell us all how many people in the 18 to 25 age group have died or been SERIOUSLY affected in Australia.

https://www.health.gov.au/resources/...-group-and-sex

Go away.

that is also the age group that thinks they are bullet proof…

even one death is one too many..we can’t rest until everyone lives forever

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Assuming all the deaths in New South Wales since 10 July are related to the delta-variant, most likely 12 so far.

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Well there it is, twelve people. How many were close to death from other causes?
You guys need some perspective, how many people have died this year from flu, diabetes, car crashes, suicides, allergies?
This is a massive overreaction by the media and consequently the states.
Pity the casual wage earners with no income and the small businesses forced to close.

Actually Ladloy has a point. Long term symptoms of Covid have been shown to persist in mild cases that didn’t require hospitalisation in younger people. This peer reviewed study from Norway explains:

We found that 52% (32/61) of home-isolated young adults, aged 16–30 years, had symptoms at 6 months, including loss of taste and/or smell (28%, 17/61), fatigue (21%, 13/61), dyspnea (13%, 8/61), impaired concentration (13%, 8/61) and memory problems (11%, 7/61).

Not as bad as ventilation or death but still significant, and certainly enough to say Covid does affect the younger age group.

Most of the workforce affected by lockdowns are in that age bracket as they take up most of the casualised positions in Australia. They have made a huge sacrifice in income to save the older generations. They will be wanting the vaccine to reduce the risk of another lockdown.

oooh, a whole 61 people.. ooooh

get a grip. And try and work out what I was getting at instead of being a pathetic pedantic twit like Ladloy.

It’s only low because a strict approach from governments has kept it low.

If it wasn’t contained then you’d get a situation like the rest of the world over the last 18 months.

How do we know the pandemic would’ve caused more deaths per usual and not just ones that would’ve happened due heart disease, diabetes, the flu etc?

Excess Mortality.

It was far greater than the previous 5 year norm in basically every other nation, and nothing to suggest Australia wouldn’t have been similarly affected.

Excess mortality during the Coronavirus pandemic (COVID-19)

Well, if nothing else the 2020 figures will raise the average, making it easier to get 2021 below average. :8

Last years flu season was predicted to hit more than 300,000 cases. Due to Covid restrictions having the same effect on Flu there was only 20,000 cases with 36 confirmed deaths. Compare that to 800 odd deaths from Covid in the same period.

Diabetes is not a virus, its either hereditary or lifestyle based.

Car Crashes are not a virus and have various causes, most of which are preventable. Like those that deny Covid there are stupid drivers that ignore the rules and safety advice and die needlessly.

Suicides are stable, that is the same rate as they were before Covid, and while related to mental health there's a multitude of other complicated circumstance that lead to this.

Allergies, well who knows, I would say the precautions for Covid worked like the Flu and reduced the amount of severe allergic reactions, again this is managed by the individual and regulation of food handling and warning labels. Allergies is probably one of the few that could be categories as something that another person could inflict on you unknowingly, but it will not spread like wildfire to everyone around you, so again not comparable.

Ladloy, look up any site that has stats on deaths for the world. It’s all available, for free. Take note of the category of “influenza / pneumonia / respiratory illnesses” and you’ll be surprised at how many die every day. Now compare that to the deaths (globally) due to COVID.

4 million or so dead in 16 odd months is a large number until it’s compared to the vast numbers dying every day “without COVID”.