Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere
(Post 11067794)
It will be very difficult for the Federal Government to sell the narrative of the effectiveness of our quarantine and vaccine rollout in an environment where the only response the states feel is available to them are lockdowns and border closures. The feds should be hammered on this - and rightly so. My tip is that if Sydney and Melbourne are locked down and locked out again, the Morrison government is finished. Jetting off to the G7 in his big A330 like he’s a powerhouse influence in the world whilst his country is not only closed to the world, his own states aren’t even open up to each other. Morrison has always been a weak leader, the bushfires proved that, just a marketing guru (a marketing guru who was sacked by Howard) parachuted almost accidentally into the PM’s position. I’m glad everyone got their franking credits and negative gearing, unfortunately competent leadership wasn’t included in the package. |
We would be in a far worse position with a Shorten government. Make no mistake there.
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Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 11067812)
Jetting off to the G7 in his big A330 like he’s a powerhouse influence in the world |
Originally Posted by SHVC
(Post 11067815)
We would be in a far worse position with a Shorten government. Make no mistake there.
If they had been in power they could have been just as bad as Morrison or better, but it’s hard to imagine how they could’ve been “far worse” than Scotty. |
The reality is the borders will eventually open and when they do Covid will circulate through our country like the Flu. However in the meantime we have shown that you can contain the spread without the vaccine. At least they have a plan and are exempting vaccinated tourists from quarantine. |
In early 2020, we had a low understanding of COVID 19, there was no vaccine and it was infectious and put people in ICU, which had limited capacity; closing borders and lockdowns sort of made sense.
18 months on and our understanding is much better, there’s several vaccines and the new strains are more infectious, but generally less lethal; the problems we have now is people spreading it because they have no symptoms. There is no threat to ICU capacity from COVID. Yet, here we are rooting the economy and locking down citizens every time there are 1 or 2 cases. The rest of the world has moved on and realised case numbers are no longer a useful metric, and COVID will be with us for the long term, but managed like Flu. Not Australia, or NZ.... there seems to be a nationwide panic every time there’s 1 case. 16,000+ cases in the UK yesterday, but they are getting on with it and planning holidays because the vaccine rollout wasn’t half arsed and they know case numbers are less relevant than hospital admissions or deaths. |
Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 11067823)
Are you sure? Even back in November, before issues with AZ were known the opposition were calling for more Pfizer doses to be ordered, which was immediately dismissed by the government.
If they had been in power they could have been just as bad as Morrison or better, but it’s hard to imagine how they could’ve been “far worse” than Scotty. Its the opposition duty to oppose anything the Gov does. if Sco Mo ordered 50 million Pfizer vaccines the Lefties would be screaming for more Astra Zeneca vaccines. I bet QLD CMO would be looking like a fool, she said two days ago NSW contact tracers cant keep up, look at NSW go just proving why we are the best. |
Originally Posted by SHVC
(Post 11067843)
Its the opposition duty to oppose anything the Gov does. if Sco Mo ordered 50 million Pfizer vaccines the Lefties would be screaming for more Astra Zeneca vaccines.
I bet QLD CMO would be looking like a fool, she said two days ago NSW contact tracers cant keep up, look at NSW go just proving why we are the best. Also calling Labor lefties is comical. Side note: 22 cases in NSW, suburbs in lockdown. |
Originally Posted by Ladloy
(Post 11067846)
You'll actually find federal Labor have supported many things the LNP have done over the last 18 months. Federal budget, jobkeeper, jobseeker to name a few. The pfizer order cock up does require criticism. It could mean us opening borders sooner and all you whiners can go back to work.
Also calling Labor lefties is comical. Side note: 22 cases in NSW, suburbs in lockdown. |
Originally Posted by jrfsp
(Post 11067854)
Amazing how quiet the thread is for the Sydney "Stay at home" order. Will be weeks and weeks of border closures now.
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The reality is the borders will eventually open and when they do Covid will circulate through our country like the Flu. |
Originally Posted by WingNut60
(Post 11067855)
The lockdown you have when you're not having a lockdown.
What’s the use of locking down only 4 LGAs when there’s moving and mixing all over the city? |
She has no need to swallow her pride, remember Avalon in January and northern beaches they were all locked down at a hefty cost of 6.8billion. As she said today her response is proportionate to the situation. If this were any other state you would all be locked up like criminals. Gladys has the perfect balance and I’m sure if tomorrow calls for it she will not hesitate to lock LGAs down.
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Originally Posted by SHVC
(Post 11067861)
She has no need to swallow her pride, remember Avalon in January and northern beaches they were all locked down at a hefty cost of 6.8billion. As she said today her response is proportionate to the situation. If this were any other state you would all be locked up like criminals. Gladys has the perfect balance and I’m sure if tomorrow calls for it she will not hesitate to lock LGAs down.
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With the WA government now keen to move forward with the Feds to build a 1000 bed quarantine facility in Perth, along with previous announcements from other states, you know our scared little nation won’t be shifting from a fortress elimination strategy anytime soon. Murmurs already about that mid 2022 is too soon to consider any international border changes.
No use whining about lockdowns and state border closures either, we are likely to continue to see these ongoing for next 18mths minimum. |
Originally Posted by mattyj
(Post 11067501)
What happened to the UK strain or the South African strain? Gone? You know it’s respiratory virus season in the Southern Hemisphere right? …It’s our turn
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The fact that it's 1 year into the crisis and we haven't had anything built for it (Open air quarantine station etc), and we only have limited supplies of vaccine is telling of our leadership. It's like Britain ordering Spitfires for the Battle of Britain and getting them in 1950. Our leaders are most certainly not Winston Churchill.
How can 2 bit countries get their vaccination act happening better than Australia which supposedly has the most advanced medical system on the planet. Stats for vaccinations in the last 24 hrs to 25 June 2021 .https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/c...-distribution/ China 21 Million India 5.5 million Turkey 951,000 Indonesia 545,000 Mexico 445,000 Pakistan 202,000 Australia 100,00 and forcast to DECREASE. |
Originally Posted by Potsie Weber
(Post 11067879)
With the WA government now keen to move forward with the Feds to build a 1000 bed quarantine facility in Perth, along with previous announcements from other states, you know our scared little nation won’t be shifting from a fortress elimination strategy anytime soon. Murmurs already about that mid 2022 is too soon to consider any international border changes.
No use whining about lockdowns and state border closures either, we are likely to continue to see these ongoing for next 18mths minimum. it astounds me the number of Australians now who go along with this idea. Basically “tough ****” is their response. Any chance of returning to my former job in another APAC city and travelling back and forth regularly to see family looks like never happening again in my lifetime. |
Word is they are considering sites at Perth and Jandakot airport.
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On one hand building dedicated dongas without connected ventilation should (almost completely) eliminate transmissions out of quarantine, which is why Howard Springs hasn’t yet had (and is unlikely to have) a breakout. Which should mostly put an end to lockdowns and interstate border closures. Which is what should’ve been done 12 months ago.
However it doesn’t bode well for international travel. Given these centres will be built post vaccine rollout it doesn’t show the government has any confidence in the program establishing a herd immunity. They’ll want to be seen as “been tough on borders” to win votes so little chance current restrictions will change even post vaccine program (whenever that will finish now) for the foreseeable future even post election. |
Yet if Australia had an effective vaccination program, the need for these quarantine camps become redundant pretty quickly.
I chuckle at the hysterical comments asking why the flight crew bus driver wasn't vaccinated, as apparently this would would have stopped the latest outbreak in Sydney. If that's the case, open the borders to vaccinated travellers! Even leading epidemiologists in Australia concede it will be impossible to keep the virus out on a sustained basis. They call for conversations to be had to somewhat 'prepare' the populus that covid is coming and vaccinations are our best way out. Politicians on the other hand would rather stick their fingers in their ears and bury themselves under a rock. And your travel insurance is with? Which was the whole end game to begin with right? Fuel-Off :ok: |
Originally Posted by jrfsp
(Post 11067866)
Yes the risk is it may turn out to be unnecessary (as was the case in Perth / Brisbane) but you pretty much guarantee avoiding the situation Syd now finds itself in.
Sydney’s one-week lockdown to cost the economy $310 million |
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Originally Posted by Fuel-Off
(Post 11068023)
Yet if Australia had an effective vaccination program, the need for these quarantine camps become redundant pretty quickly.
I chuckle at the hysterical comments asking why the flight crew bus driver wasn't vaccinated, as apparently this would would have stopped the latest outbreak in Sydney. If that's the case, open the borders to vaccinated travellers! Even leading epidemiologists in Australia concede it will be impossible to keep the virus out on a sustained basis. They call for conversations to be had to somewhat 'prepare' the populus that covid is coming and vaccinations are our best way out. Politicians on the other hand would rather stick their fingers in their ears and bury themselves under a rock. Just a quick Google search reveals at least twenty insurance companies offering cover in the case of being infected with Covid. So even underwriters are moving on with living with this thing. Being fully vaccinated would most likely lead to me not requiring hospital treatment or even worse dying. Which was the whole end game to begin with right? Fuel-Off :ok: 100% Agree - we are beyond a joke here in Oz now. Can we put all the hysterical types with the anti-vaxxers in an area and keep them locked up while the rest of us just get on with it? :ugh: |
Originally Posted by SOPS
(Post 11068162)
Tell me you’re from WA without telling me you’re from WA |
Originally Posted by SOPS
(Post 11068162)
I always thought she had done a very good job with her response to outbreaks etc but with what is happening now i think she has not acted quickly enough. The vic govt stuffed up badly but with the 2 outbreaks we have had this year they have acted quickly & got it under control (many will disagree of course & still have the opinion we live in a dictatorship). As i have stated previously it doesnt matter to me what side of politics they represent & this shows how quickly things can unravel. |
SOPS, stop spreading fear from the comfort of your train cab. Not helpful.
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One size fits all quarantine?
I repatriated last month. I was fully vaccinated. I had done two government certified COVID tests prior to departure which were on a template that looked difficult to forge. I was coming from a country where COVID was under control, with weeks of "doughnut days" and then the odd minor and soon to be contained outbreak. Then, the same band of folks I was repatriating with, vaccinated and government tested, were placed in hotel quarantine with Australians repatriating from countries where COVID is out of control and testing known to be forged. Why? Isn't it blatantly obvious? Thankfully I was vaccinated. Protected from Australia's flawed understanding of quarantine. It is the stupidity of wokeism? We can not say a non-white country is a quarantine threat due to our haunted past. If we stated repatriates from India are high threat of both COVID and inaccurate and forgeable testing, so they can not be placed in a hotel quarantine system, breakout risk is minimalised. But instead, I was advised by Victorian nursing staff my hotel was mixed and matched with repatriating high and low risk Australians. Going forward, there is some merit in having purpose built quarantine facilities. Though unless we can categorise without apology, countries deemed to have a serious pandemic risk, they will be either used unnecessarily or with the passing of COVID, be more needless government expenditure. |
Originally Posted by Gnadenburg
(Post 11068395)
Why? Isn't it blatantly obvious? Thankfully I was vaccinated. Protected from Australia's flawed understanding of quarantine. It is the stupidity of wokeism? We can not say a non-white country is a quarantine threat due to our haunted past. If we stated repatriates from India are high threat of both COVID and inaccurate and forgeable testing, so they can not be placed in a hotel quarantine system, breakout risk is minimalised. But instead, I was advised by Victorian nursing staff my hotel was mixed and matched with repatriating high and low risk Australians. Going forward, there is some merit in having purpose built quarantine facilities. Though unless we can categorise without apology, countries deemed to have a serious pandemic risk, they will be either used unnecessarily or with the passing of COVID, be more needless government expenditure. People who complain about “wokeism” are being intellectually lazy. |
Originally Posted by Green.Dot
(Post 11068393)
SOPS, stop spreading fear from the comfort of your train cab. Not helpful.
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Dr Dre
Nice try. If Australia could without apology, categorise a country on the basis of its COVID threat and level of confidence in testing, we could have a rigid quarantine system. India is a basket case and fraudulent testing has been an issue since last year. It has not been called out as such for political fear. Mixing up passengers from India from what could be termed green countries is the height of stupidity ( as with what happened to me ). We are not talking about harsh facilities either, we are talking of purpose built facilities a lot better than being locked up in a hotel room! If you want to go way back to January, we had another challenge. How do we diplomatically threat categorise our closest allies without offending? Without difficulty if we have a clear threat-tiered quarantine system. - Home Quarantine: Green Country and Vaccinated. - Hotel Quarantine: Amber Country (?) - Purpose Built Facility Quarantine: Red Country (?) |
Or, how about this for an idea, everyone get off their ass get vaccinated. If you look at the data Astra Zeneca is fine the gov just does not want to put their name to it now. But even before said issues with AZ Australians were carrying on like spastics and would rather think it’s better smoking a packet of ciggies and putting what ever else in to their body was perfectly fine but a medically certified drug it’s like no way I’m not putting that into me. We are as a nation some of the biggest idiots in the world and I’m saying that as an Aussie.
It’s time Sco Mo grew a set and started laying down some heavy ultimatums and leading us out of this abmismal mess that seems to keep continuing without an end in sight. Where else in the world are purpose built quarantine camps being constructed? No where but here the idiots we are, our cash be better spent on building new medical facility that could churn out vaccines quickly and whilst it’s being built train and certify every nurse and pharmacist to give it so a doctor does not need to be at every clinic. |
Originally Posted by nomorecatering
(Post 11067896)
The fact that it's 1 year into the crisis and we haven't had anything built for it (Open air quarantine station etc), and we only have limited supplies of vaccine is telling of our leadership. It's like Britain ordering Spitfires for the Battle of Britain and getting them in 1950. Our leaders are most certainly not Winston Churchill.
How can 2 bit countries get their vaccination act happening better than Australia which supposedly has the most advanced medical system on the planet. Stats for vaccinations in the last 24 hrs to 25 June 2021 .https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/c...-distribution/ China 21 Million India 5.5 million Turkey 951,000 Indonesia 545,000 Mexico 445,000 Pakistan 202,000 Australia 100,00 and forcast to DECREASE. Having watched Oz from afar for most of 25 years, the level of hand-wringing and tripping over our own feet to be so precisely correct, has created a handrail-holding, betwetting society. |
Originally Posted by Gnadenburg
(Post 11068420)
Dr Dre
Nice try. If Australia could without apology, categorise a country on the basis of its COVID threat and level of confidence in testing, we could have a rigid quarantine system. India is a basket case and fraudulent testing has been an issue since last year. It has not been called out as such for political fear. Mixing up passengers from India from what could be termed green countries is the height of stupidity ( as with what happened to me ). We are not talking about harsh facilities either, we are talking of purpose built facilities a lot better than being locked up in a hotel room! If you want to go way back to January, we had another challenge. How do we diplomatically threat categorise our closest allies without offending? Without difficulty if we have a clear threat-tiered quarantine system. - Home Quarantine: Green Country and Vaccinated. - Hotel Quarantine: Amber Country (?) - Purpose Built Facility Quarantine: Red Country (?) 29 cases today. 28 fortunately linked, but 12 were not in isolation. |
Reading between the lines of the NSW press conference, all of Sydney will be in lockdown as soon as they can organise the paperwork.
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Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere
(Post 11068438)
Reading between the lines of the NSW press conference, all of Sydney will be in lockdown as soon as they can organise the paperwork.
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Originally Posted by Ladloy
(Post 11068433)
Delta variant (Indian origin) in Syd came from the US. Tier system might not work.
That said, so few countries now could be termed low risk. However, be nice to open up to the Pacific Islands for vaccinated travellers. It's a start. |
Originally Posted by Foxxster
(Post 11068441)
I got the impression that lockdowns will extend to a much larger area, or indeed all of Sydney and it will be done this afternoon or tomorrow at the latest.
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Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere
(Post 11068445)
It seems the decision has already been made but they need to work out the logistics and the legalities around issuing a city wide lockdown. From what I’ve seen to date, that paperwork side of things seems to be what takes the longest once the decision has been made.
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TINDERBOX....
delta variant...unvaccinated population....zero immunity in the community from past infections...not good people. This is going to be bad. |
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