Just been to my Coles in Sunny Coast, the panic has started already, toilet paper shelves empty and being restocked, folks loading up on cereal, frozen food and mincemeat. Crazy.

I dont know why they dont shut all supermarkets until the lockdowns start. People panic buying should be tasered on entry.

Don't criticise. Those people are sh...tting themselves.
They need the paper.

You’ve got my vote.

The vaccine works Hazzard gave the example today as mentioned above.

It is early days and this is only a small sample but it is highly encouraging.

It is early days and this is only a small sample but this is highly encouraging.

Sydney T2 on the list of exposure sites. A good 5 hours too

Latest data from the UK NHS showing similar.https://assets.publishing.service.go..._-_week_25.pdf

The same can be said of Covid

Sorry, you're wrong. With 40 hours you can get a PPL; would you let a PPL look after passengers on a commercial aircraft?

50 hospitals = about 500 ICU ventilated beds. Each patient needs one to one nursing care = 21 nursing shifts (at 8 hours per shift) = 4.2 nurses per patient. So that 2100 experienced ICU nurses who are competent at managing a patient on a ventialtor.

To become an ICU nurse you have a three year degree, then gain more clinical experience and develop your skills to manage the case - a bit like doing your PPL, then a multi engine rating, getting sufficient hours before advancing to a commercial licence, IR, etc....

Add to that you need 24/7 anesthetist/intesivist cover, so that's 5 years basic medical training, plus another 5 years specialist training. Physio's, lab staff, pharmacy staff, etc.

The UK example of how not to manage a pandemic is something you don't want.

11 deaths a day?

In Australia, THIS YEAR - 2021, we have averaged over 30 deaths per week, which is lower than average…………….from influenza/pneumonia.

Glad we’re shutting borders down for a handful of CASES, let alone deaths.

Ludicrous.

There is a LOT of good news about both the vaccinations and the Delta variant.

The Party cluster is an early indicator that the vaccine appears to be pretty good at stopping infection. Sure, there is a bit of water to go under the bridge on this yet but early signs are good.

This is supported by what is happening in the UK. Despite cases surging the death rate remains incredibly low- 10 to 20 times less deadly than previous variants.

So if we can get Australia vaccinated by Christmas and a less deadly variant we may find ourselves coming out of this lock down insanity much more quickly than is currently foreseen.

As long as we can convince our CHO/CMO's.........

Precautionary Restrictions in SA

Early days? Are you aware there are countries that have fully vaccinated 75% of their populations now? The real world data seems to back up the trial results, which is very encouraging yes.
I think Oz and NZ did part 1 very very well In controlling the early pandemic, whilst USA, UK etc did very badly. Part 2 however is the total opposite. The vaccine rollout in USA, Europe and the U.K. is going very well and we are largely on our way out of it now with very good vaccine take up.

If the data trends in other countries continue as they have in the last month or so then the groundswell of public opinion in Australia is going to turn against lock downs- particularly when Aussies see the rest of the world with their freedom and ours not being given back.

The turning point? When more than 50-60% of the population is vaccinated and the CHOs still insist on using lock downs as Covid mitigation. I think we’re going to hit that vaccination target in perhaps October/ November.

Yes i agree, this was a post on the fly but the intention of it was Australia tax payers dollars would be far better spent on building infrastructure that would get us to normal, not keep us dealing with daily cases. Billions spent on camps is ludicrous.

I reckon it will start to happen when we hit 40-50%. At my secondary employment, the lockdown is treated as almost an annoyance by those of us who are fully vaccinated. Once we get to approx 40% the voices will get louder and start to influence policy.

Well the PMs comments tonight gave the strongest indication yet that the border wont be opening anytime soon and that he is not going to accept any level of death.

These quarantine centre's are being built for the long haul.

Mark McGowan about to give a press conference. Standby for possible lock down. ( that’s just my guess.) Hope I’m wrong.
Well I was wrong

He's been very trigger happy in the past but i think going hard and fast is the right thing to do in this case.

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So do I. We don’t need another NSW. I just want my second AZ.

We've now got 30% of the population under lockdown...how much worse can this get.

31%? 32%? It’s fecking ridiculous I know that

Just remember, it’s not a race... :ugh:

What’s your plan?

Front of the queue...:


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FFS is there nothing NZ isn't better at than Australia? I even enjoy Wellington Paranormal.

For what? Opening up the country?

Offer the vaccine to everyone, give a hard date to be vaccinated, then open up and stop giving a **** about 2 cases. Those who choose not to be vaccinated will just have to accept they run the risk of getting sick.

I agree, Morno. The zero cases strategy was laudable while we were waiting for a vaccine, but time is running out on that. They should set an aggressive goal, adopt a hard date, make vaccinations mandatory. Then open it up. And find some creative economic penalty for closed borders.

There's a significant difference in vaccinations given and being fully vaccinated: being at the end of the supply chain and initially limited to mainly AZ jabs with a 12 week gap between the two, we stood little chance of matching countries who (understandably) kept the production for themselves. I'm among a significant number who will be getting their 12 week booster this weekend, and I suspect that the fully vaccinated figures will then boost noticeably.

Apathy and outright agitation against vaccination doesn't help: I can't help but remember everyone (yes, everyone) getting vaccinated against polio, the scourge which has virtually disappeared.


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https://www.health.gov.au/initiative...accine-rollout

Declare a state of emergency, requisition all the manpower, equipment, materials and temporary structures you can find. Get army engineers to manage the immediate construction of quarantine facilities on federally owned land near a major capital city. I hate the use of this term, but we should be on a "war-like" footing when it comes to the establishment of remote quarantine.

All returning travellers either go there or similar "Howard Springs-style" facilities.

The only people in "hotel" quarantine are international flight crew. No-one deals with them in any way who is not vaccinated and subject to daily PCR testing. Requisition airport hotels within walking distance of the terminal where they're available. No need for drivers, no public contact, nothing.

Frankly, given our recent experiences, the next "leak" is already brewing in a hotel somewhere. We are suffering a breach roughly every 7-10 days. This cannot go on.

It's going to be expensive, but not as expensive as the current disaster. I'll happily pay a temporary levy for 12 months as I need to be working to pay such a levy, something that is looking increasingly unlikely, again.

And just like that AZ is now ‘safe’ and available to all, well with further government indemnities.

If this week doesn’t give the vaccinations Australia wide a kick in the arse then nothing will.

Vaccination is the only way.

I note the second jab of Astra is now recommended between 4 and 12 weeks after the first one. This seems a big change that hasn’t been well advertised.

I remember all the doctors saying that thalidomide was the best thing for treating morning sickness

I love that plan!!!!

they also recommended smoking.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/blo...rsing-tobacco/

Having been through the quarantine system, Direct Anywhere's plan looks panicked and overdone.

I don't disagree with purpose built quarantine facilities where appropriate. However, one size fits all is not only unnecessary, it still mixes high-risk returning Australians with those who are frankly no-risk. This approach is one of the many holes in the fumbly and overdone bureaucratic health quarantine process. It lacks common sense.

Why don't you break the issue of returning travellers down as you would as a pilot? Risk management and TEM principles. A single approach to every country ( except NZ ) will see this crisis having no way out. We have learn't nothing.

How many nurses who test returned travellers in their hotel rooms have caught COVID? They are vaccinated and wear hazmat equipment.

Has COVID leaked in quarantine facilities where you have openable windows and access to balconies?

Once again, Israel will give a good idea where we will be in six months plus with Delta. At a glance I think we will be burdened by the unvaccinated.

I remember a time when aeroplanes were rickety contraptions made of fabric and wood which were prone to crashing very often. As the design, testing, manufacture and certification of aircraft has never changed since then that’s why aeroplanes in 2021 are still only rickety contraptions made of fabric and wood which are very unsafe to board....... /s

Why would Australia do any of that? The economic numbers are great!

The lesson to be learnt from the pandemic is that Australia should continue to randomly lock down capital cities, randomly close interstate borders and keep the international borders closed to travellers. That, and continue to rack up trillions in debt. It's good for the economy.

(Methinks Australia is nearing the end of the beginning of the fight against this pandemic. The beginning will have ended once the amateur hour quarantine arrangements have ended - something that should have happened over a year ago.)