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AerialPerspective 21st Jun 2021 15:23


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11065454)
655 of the 801 deaths during the second wave were from federally run aged care facilities. The same facilities making news only a few weeks ago for being under-vaccinated, mixing staff and convincing isolating staff to come to work.

AND the Minster 'responsible' in Federal Cabinet who at an inquiry could not even estimate how many had died in a system HE is responsible for, again a week or so ago also replied with "don't know" when asked how many vaccinations had been administered. What exactly is this moron being paid out of taxypayer's money to do????

I wouldn't be surprised if he struggled to answer the question "What is an Aged Care Home". The bloke is clearly incompetent. But he's not alone, have a look at the Minister for Robodebt and ask how he could possibly still have his job.

galdian 22nd Jun 2021 00:40

Assuming the feds have their fingers in aged care in ALL the states and territories then why did they concentrate all their incompetence on Victoria?
We're not just talking "one or two more than other states" we're talking hundreds.
You'd think the aim of the feds would be to ensure all states get a fair and equitable share of the misery - but not so, another fed fail! ;)

Ladloy 22nd Jun 2021 02:28


Originally Posted by galdian (Post 11065983)
Assuming the feds have their fingers in aged care in ALL the states and territories then why did they concentrate all their incompetence on Victoria?
We're not just talking "one or two more than other states" we're talking hundreds.
You'd think the aim of the feds would be to ensure all states get a fair and equitable share of the misery - but not so, another fed fail! ;)

I'm not sure you've heard of the Swiss Cheese Model? The negligence is at all levels but the focus tends to be myopic.


The second wave had quarantine issues (fed issue handballed to states) which then got out of hand due to poor tracing (state issue) and the safeguards weren't in place in aged care (fed issue).

The private aged care facilities are a federal responsibility while public is state. 651 deaths were private aged care.

Fuel-Off 22nd Jun 2021 06:31

Our canuck cousins have the right idea.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...e-after-july-5

Seeing as our health system is modeled from theirs, maybe our borders policy could at least do the same. Trudeau has at least set dates and a road map out of all this. SloMo? We're not in a race...

Fuel-Off :ok:

jrfsp 22nd Jun 2021 06:41


Originally Posted by Fuel-Off (Post 11066056)
Our canuck cousins have the right idea.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...e-after-july-5

Seeing as our health system is modeled from theirs, maybe our borders policy could at least do the same. Trudeau has at least set dates and a road map out of all this. SloMo? We're not in a race...

Fuel-Off :ok:

I didn't know they were so far ahead in their vaccine roll out! 75% fully vaccinated by end of July is impressive - we might be at 5% by then....

Bend alot 22nd Jun 2021 06:42

Are we importing Cabin Crew?

neville_nobody 22nd Jun 2021 06:54


Seeing as our health system is modeled from theirs, maybe our borders policy could at least do the same.
Who controls the territory borders in Canada though?

Cafe City 22nd Jun 2021 07:29


Originally Posted by Bend alot (Post 11066065)
Are we importing Cabin Crew?

I wondered the same.
Story didn't quite add up.
"Dr Young said the woman travelled from Portugal to Australia on an Emirates flight to go on to work as cabin crew for other airlines." (Brisbane Times)

Initial inference was that she was a flight attendant on the inbound flight. But was she? If not, why is she arriving here to "work.... for other airlines"? Or do they mean operating an onward EK leg?


PoppaJo 22nd Jun 2021 07:34

I would say that is a HiFly (Portugal) charter set to be operated from Brisbane in the coming days. Crew positioning

Cafe City 22nd Jun 2021 08:35


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11066090)
I would say that is a HiFly (Portugal) charter set to be operated from Brisbane in the coming days. Crew positioning


Oh! Ex ADF lease??

Bend alot 22nd Jun 2021 10:45


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11066090)
I would say that is a HiFly (Portugal) charter set to be operated from Brisbane in the coming days. Crew positioning

The CHO said not EK crew and did quarantine and to work for other "airlines".
Not another airline.

PoppaJo 22nd Jun 2021 11:04

Right however I am not aware of any other airlines that Portuguese cabin crew members would be parachuted into Oz to operate for, aside the obvious contender Hi Fly Portugal.

601 22nd Jun 2021 14:44


The CHO said not EK crew and did quarantine and to work for other "airlines".
Not another airline.
There other international flights other than airlines.

Fonz121 22nd Jun 2021 22:31

Meanwhile over in New Zealand, not only do vaccinated Air NZ crew coming back from high risk destinations no longer have to isolate at all as of June 30, but every staff member will get $1000 in shares as a reward for their work during the pandemic.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/125485069/air-nz-giving-employees-1000-worth-of-shares-forecasts-significant-loss

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300336892/covid19-all-vaccinated-air-nz-crew-now-exempt-from-isolation

mattyj 23rd Jun 2021 02:45

Someone out of Australia has arrived in Wellington with the trans Tasman bubble and tested positive for Covid after traipsing around the city for a couple of days..no doubt our Dan Andrews/Justin Trudeau facsimile - Jacinda will be apoplectic with panic at this point trying to decide what level of flagellation she needs to subject Wellingtonians to (not to mention the rest of New Zealand)

jrfsp 23rd Jun 2021 03:24


Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 11066606)
Someone out of Australia has arrived in Wellington with the trans Tasman bubble and tested positive for Covid after traipsing around the city for a couple of days..no doubt our Dan Andrews/Justin Trudeau facsimile - Jacinda will be apoplectic with panic at this point trying to decide what level of flagellation she needs to subject Wellingtonians to (not to mention the rest of New Zealand)

I was surprised how long they took to pause the bubble with NSW, considering they paused it with WA and QLD after 1 case......

If there are cases in WLG then the whole bubble will go down.

SOPS 23rd Jun 2021 04:41

WA has just shut completely to NSW. Only people with special permits will be allowed in and then only with 14 days Q. Here we go again!

Updated at 11.45 am WST.. people that landed at 11.15 am in Perth from Sydney are being sent back.

jrfsp 23rd Jun 2021 05:20

ABC also reporting SA has closed its border to NSW

SHVC 23rd Jun 2021 05:38

McClown has also requested that WA still get their fair share of vaccine. Would this mean if all of WA was vaccinated he would never close again? After all being vaccinated means the virus does not affect you as bad.

SOPS 23rd Jun 2021 06:08

And now Tasmania is partly closing to NSW.

SOPS 23rd Jun 2021 09:15

And QLD to Greater Sydney

Chris2303 23rd Jun 2021 10:58


Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 11066606)
Jacinda will be apoplectic with panic at this point trying to decide what level of flagellation she needs to subject Wellingtonians to (not to mention the rest of New Zealand)

Jacinda isn't but the natives are. We told her time and time again not to allow an open border with anyone, but especially Australians because they refuse to follow the rules set for them.

aviation_enthus 23rd Jun 2021 12:57

AZ for under 60’s?
 
I’m curious to know how many people would take the AZ vaccine if it meant getting access now instead of having to wait until sometime in the future?

For anyone under 50, the wait could be until late this year or even into next year. In the interests of getting the vaccine rolled out quicker, why not offer “walk-in” AZ jabs to anyone that wants it at a bunch of mass vaccine centres?

Yes there’s a risk with AZ, but I’m willing to bet there’s a whole bunch of people out there that would take it anyway (ie actually able to make their own risk assessment instead of needing the government to constantly hold their hand….)

aviation_enthus 23rd Jun 2021 12:59


Originally Posted by Chris2303 (Post 11066796)
Jacinda isn't but the natives are. We told her time and time again not to allow an open border with anyone, but especially Australians because they refuse to follow the rules set for them.

Refuse to follow the rules??? I love how it’s always “someone else” that never follows the rules…. Like NZ is a perfect beacon of purity (or any country for that matter).

601 23rd Jun 2021 13:51


Yes there’s a risk with AZ, but I’m willing to bet there’s a whole bunch of people out there that would take it anyway (ie actually able to make their own risk assessment instead of needing the government to constantly hold their hand….)
How many people who hopped in their car or on their bike did not make it home yesterday?

WingNut60 23rd Jun 2021 13:57


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11066646)
McClown has also requested that WA still get their fair share of vaccine. Would this mean if all of WA was vaccinated he would never close again? After all being vaccinated means the virus does not affect you as bad.

Yes. How typical of him that he should have the audacity to ask for WA's "fair share".

SOPS 24th Jun 2021 04:44

I really hope that Pprune’s darling Gladys knows what she is doing, things could get out of hand really fast.

Keg 24th Jun 2021 04:50

1 case unlinked in the last 24 hours. Rest are linked. Overwhelming majority are close contacts already in iso. Not saying it won’t get worse but NSW Health contact tracers doing a cracking job so far.

PoppaJo 24th Jun 2021 09:51

I really feel for you lot in Vic. First thrown under the bus by SA now Sydney.

jrfsp 24th Jun 2021 10:05

This delta variant needs to be jumped on quickly. We could very easily find ourselves back where we were last year with all state borders closed, no tasman bubble etc.

Just look at all the previously successful countries now battling outbreaks, Taiwan, Singapore, Vietnam etc.

Angle of Attack 24th Jun 2021 10:46

Why jump on it quickly? While you continue to import it into a substandard hotel quarantine system, this isn’t going to stop anytime soon.
In fact in Australia we have cornered ourselves as a cowering Island nation with no appetite for COVID cases, can anyone tell me the exit strategy while the rest of the world opens up? I don’t think it’s going to happen until another Federal election. What a pathetic isolationist outpost we have become, it’s sad really…

mattyj 24th Jun 2021 13:27

What happened to the UK strain or the South African strain? Gone? You know it’s respiratory virus season in the Southern Hemisphere right? …It’s our turn

601 24th Jun 2021 14:24


exit strategy while the rest of the world opens up?
Please enlighten us as to the nations that are "opening up"?


What a pathetic isolationist outpost we have become, it’s sad really…
So you would rather this, comparable population
Venezuela Total Cases, 264,551 New +1,179
Taiwan Total Cases, 14,259 New +103

TurningTheSpanners 24th Jun 2021 14:46


Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 11067501)
What happened to the UK strain or the South African strain? Gone? You know it’s respiratory virus season in the Southern Hemisphere right? …It’s our turn

The WHO has renamed the multiple different strains of COVID-19 circulating around the world to make them easier to understand.

Under the changes, the four most concerning variants take on the first four letters of the Greek alphabet — Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Delta.

Those were previously known as the UK variant, the South African variant, the Brazilian variant and the Indian variant.

From ABC News, The 'Prune won't let me post the actual URL.

SOPS 24th Jun 2021 14:47


Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 11067501)
What happened to the UK strain or the South African strain? Gone? You know it’s respiratory virus season in the Southern Hemisphere right? …It’s our turn

You are kidding .. right?

Joker89 24th Jun 2021 15:25

What’s the end game? People going to catch this and possibly die from it even with herd immunity. Just like with a flu vaccine people still get and die from flu. Scomo saying how dangerous the UK is but was happy to have a pub crawl with not a mask in sight. Time to accept some cases and some unfortunate deaths. No one lives forever. Plenty of countries with open borders haven’t imploded.

Fuel-Off 24th Jun 2021 16:11


Originally Posted by 601 (Post 11067532)
Please enlighten us as to the nations that are "opening up"?

I'd be happy to provide a few for you:
Spain
France
Italy
Iceland
Malta
Greece
Serbia
Georgia (the country, not the US state full of peaches)
Egypt
Czechia
United States
Maldives
Seychelles
Tanzania
Kenya
Thailand (Phuket only at this stage)
Germany (only certain cities will allow quarantine free travel at this stage)
Mexico
UAE

I'm sure there are many others, those are just off the top of my head. I just got back from a work trip in Italy yesterday in fact. You know, the same Italy that was on its knees with the pandemic last year? I, like my crew and passengers were allowed to be processed like human beings rather than diseased ridden lepers (just a thermal scan as you walk past passport control). We were allowed out of the hotel, enjoy the summer sunshine, chill out by a local restaurant sampling the local delicacies and beverages, like everyone else. The only thing is you had to wear a mask whilst indoors. Last week went to Chicago, everything was open and was able to enjoy the sights the Windy City has to offer!

'Yeah but they gotta wear masks!' I hear some from Australia howl, as if that's the only qualifier of success. Ask those in Sydney and Melbourne who at this very moment have to wear masks. Doesn't seem so successful does it? Australia has no end game with this. Vaccinate and then what? Still be subjected to lockdowns and blockades from within my own country?? You can have that thanks. Ask SloMo what the end game is, he has no clue. The Premiers are all too happy to pull the trigger on travel bans because it serves them well politically. The latest AZ issue only serves to benefit the PM as this helps justify the already glacially slow pace of the roll-out of the vaccine program in Australia. Just string it out long enough for the election and PRESTO! Supply is back to 150%! States can start the vaccine hubs and the 'medical advice' will change to favour reopening borders. Funny how much divine power and might these elections possess right? The stuff of miracles.

I for one look forward to next month when the other half and I go for a road trip around southern France (again another country that was bruised from the pandemic). At least they have a plan and are exempting vaccinated tourists from quarantine. Australia will just carry on with its zero covid obsession and spot fire lockdowns.

Do I sound like a braggart? I hope so. Because to be honest, I'm not sure I want to be in Australia right now.

Fuel-Off :ok:

KZ Kiwi 24th Jun 2021 21:09


Originally Posted by Fuel-Off (Post 11067587)
I'd be happy to provide a few for you:
Spain
France
Italy
Iceland
Malta
Greece
Serbia
Georgia (the country, not the US state full of peaches)
Egypt
Czechia
United States
Maldives
Seychelles
Tanzania
Kenya
Thailand (Phuket only at this stage)
Germany (only certain cities will allow quarantine free travel at this stage)
Mexico
UAE

I'm sure there are many others, those are just off the top of my head. I just got back from a work trip in Italy yesterday in fact. You know, the same Italy that was on its knees with the pandemic last year? I, like my crew and passengers were allowed to be processed like human beings rather than diseased ridden lepers (just a thermal scan as you walk past passport control). We were allowed out of the hotel, enjoy the summer sunshine, chill out by a local restaurant sampling the local delicacies and beverages, like everyone else. The only thing is you had to wear a mask whilst indoors. Last week went to Chicago, everything was open and was able to enjoy the sights the Windy City has to offer!

'Yeah but they gotta wear masks!' I hear some from Australia howl, as if that's the only qualifier of success. Ask those in Sydney and Melbourne who at this very moment have to wear masks. Doesn't seem so successful does it? Australia has no end game with this. Vaccinate and then what? Still be subjected to lockdowns and blockades from within my own country?? You can have that thanks. Ask SloMo what the end game is, he has no clue. The Premiers are all too happy to pull the trigger on travel bans because it serves them well politically. The latest AZ issue only serves to benefit the PM as this helps justify the already glacially slow pace of the roll-out of the vaccine program in Australia. Just string it out long enough for the election and PRESTO! Supply is back to 150%! States can start the vaccine hubs and the 'medical advice' will change to favour reopening borders. Funny how much divine power and might these elections possess right? The stuff of miracles.

I for one look forward to next month when the other half and I go for a road trip around southern France (again another country that was bruised from the pandemic). At least they have a plan and are exempting vaccinated tourists from quarantine. Australia will just carry on with its zero covid obsession and spot fire lockdowns.

Do I sound like a braggart? I hope so. Because to be honest, I'm not sure I want to be in Australia right now.

Fuel-Off :ok:

Well said that man. Australia will be left behind (already is) and then in the coming years the political blame game and ass covering will be rife.

Australia's "leaders" are arrogant and incompetent.

The borders cannot and will not stay closed forever. Australia has become scared of its own shadow. The reality is the borders will eventually open and when they do Covid will circulate through our country like the Flu. We get vaccinated, practice good hygiene and learn to live with it Time for some leadership by ScoMo which involves communicating and educating the citizens about the reality of the situation going forward and what the end game is. The constant rhetoric by our "leaders" of keeping borders closed with no timeline and "keeping us safe" is growing old. We can't remain scared of our own shadow forever.

SHVC 24th Jun 2021 22:54

We in Australia have dug our own hole to deep and can not get out, there is zero tolerance for covid. NSW target 10 million jabs then what?

On a different topic, all these premiers screaming for gestapo camps in the middle of no where because hotels are not good enough. Replace the Sydney crew transport limo driver with the camp transport bus driver we will still have the same outcome. All these camp workers have to return home a the end of their shift, go to westfields and get a haircut. I cant see anything changing with these purpose built camps that will run into the billions.


Foxxster 24th Jun 2021 23:25


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11067774)
We in Australia have dug our own hole to deep and can not get out, there is zero tolerance for covid. NSW target 10 million jabs then what?

On a different topic, all these premiers screaming for gestapo camps in the middle of no where because hotels are not good enough. Replace the Sydney crew transport limo driver with the camp transport bus driver we will still have the same outcome. All these camp workers have to return home a the end of their shift, go to westfields and get a haircut. I cant see anything changing with these purpose built camps that will run into the billions.

exactly this. Same goes for the guards bonking the people being quarantined. Or those quarantined deciding to breaking it and leaving for whatever reason as per the northern beaches outbreak. Or possible transmission to cleaners or the guards who could spread it as tests are not foolproof. The workers would all need to be held for two weeks after their final shift before they leave the compound. Because it takes a while for the virus to be detectable in tests. Or live there permanently.


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