Its not just about cases in the UK. Unlike Aus, they’ve actually vaccinated a large number of their population.

This means the cases can rise, BUT the hospitalisation rate now becomes the key figure. If their health system can cope because the numbers in hospital is dramatically lower, no need for another lockdown.

Stop stressing about the “cases” and look at home many are actually in hospital.


Picking the last day data is available for both (June 14th). Versus a random day in May:

Daily hospitalisations:
May 8th - 109
June 14th - 221 (a 202% increase)

Daily COVID cases:
May 8th - 1986
June 14th - 7742 (a 390% increase)

Both of these figures are coming off a low base, HOWEVER….

It’s still clear that the high number of vaccinated people in the UK is making a big difference. Plenty of evidence from Israel that vaccines work in reducing the severity of COVID as well.



https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare
Hospitalisations in the UK.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
Current daily cases.

I get that, and the point I was making is we are two different worlds. In these places that are approaching herd immunity, Delta can rip across and lockdowns or restrictions are not needed. Huge positive that the vaccine still prevents people with the Delta getting very sick. Unfortunately we don’t have that luxury.

We are a vulnerable country for what will probably be the next few quarters, Delta can rip across our land and cause all sorts of problems.

[size=13px]Penny pinching over a vaccine. If you’re in aviation and voted for these muppets than you get what you deserve I guess. “But..but.. Labor!!”. Yeah sure, they’re a pain in the arse managing the state borders but I bet we wouldn’t be where we are now if they were in control of the vaccine supply. Mainly due to them doing what half of you usually whinge about; spending money.[/size]

“Three sources told Swan that the Federal Government sent an inexperienced procurement officer to the meeting who “started nickel and diming on the costs”.

Pfizer had allegedly wanted to make an example out of Australia about how to properly conduct a vaccine rollout, similarly to how Israeli handled theirs. Instead, the Federal Government came back in November 2020 and ordered only 10 million doses of Pfizer.”


https://www.michaelwest.com.au/gover...-in-july-2020/

You are spot on!!!

All this talk of travel bubbles and foreign students coming in just a distraction from the fact the vaccine rollout is to slow.

Oh but it’s “not a race”…….. 🤬🤮🤦‍♂️

Try making a post without using “rip” or “ripping”. It’s that sort of sensationalism that we don’t need, and is extremely unhelpful. Unfortunately the media fuels the fire every day with such nonsense.

We are quickly becoming a very scared little irrelevant country that has been backed into a corner by poor leadership and decision making.

Quickly?

I think if we’re honest with ourselves, this process has been in motion since Rudd was knifed the first time.

Not commenting on Labor/Rudd per se, but since then both parties have been playing the same games and the result is the “best” government we can get…

Australia needs a reform program and a way forward that weans us off relying on high rates of immigration to hide our lack of progress.

Good point enthus

“Rip”, “ripping”,“delta strain”,“cases”….. spare me, do you work for the ABC or something

total hysteria..the vaccine is more dangerous than the delta strain if you’re younger than 60

Ridiculous and misleading statement. You’re <60 includes all ages, including children who are overwhelmingly fine.
a 59 year old?? Absolutely not

Is this what they call ‘unconscious irony’? Bloody funny, whatever it is.

Hopefully you don't get your news from Sky News. They're too busy saying sorry for spouting blatant lies.

You do understand that ‘only recommended for over 60s’ is not the same as ‘more dangerous than Covid for under 60s’?

Ripping: move forcefully and rapidly.

Apologies to the snowflakes who get upset at such language.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....fc51be376.jpeg

Well more pain for airlines over the school holidays with cases popping up everywhere but on the positive side this will do wonders for vaccination uptake across the country. (Hopefully).

Always happens around school holidays for some reason.

I’d agree except there are no vaccines.

It will nothing for vaccine uptake for the next few months as Australia simply doesn’t have enough doses of the only vaccine currently approved for under 60s (Pfizer) and won’t have for some time.

As a 30yo I booked a vaccine slot at the start of the month with less than a weeks notice at a major vaccination center with the second jab locked in prior to the end of the month. Took me all of two minutes.

From an Age article a few days ago:”Vaccination walk-ins were halted on Monday with people told to wait until the end of the week as the state government cut the number of Victorians able to get the Pfizer jab as part of the state’s vaccine rollout.

Almost three weeks after the state’s rollout of the Pfizer vaccine was extended to 40 to 49-year-olds, supply caps meant people were unable to make phone bookings for their first dose and those who walked up to mass vaccination hubs were turned away.”

Someone doesn't know what a vaccine is....

Yep - wife booked her first Pfizer today for this coming Thursday - first available slot was in 2 days time.
The website could be better, but it took about 5mins all up.

Melbourne rolling out of lockdown, fuel hits $1.75. A quick look at most other state capitols, it's around $1.30-$1.40. Never waste an opportunity eh!

Enjoy all that liveability

Don't worry, Chairman Dan (he of the "creeping assumption" that creepingly led to 800+ deaths) apparently on the return to fix all our woes - we are so, so blessed and fortunate....not. :mad:

This is oil company manipulation of the market,nothing to do with ANY government.
Send them a message by just buying what u need at the time as in $10 worth,not the usual fill up.
Competition will drive the price back down very quickly,just like airfares.

well you only need one tank to make it out of the socialist utopia of Victoria then you get cheap petrol and no more Chairman Dan the lockdown man.

All capital cities have different fuel cycles you cant compare on a single day.

A quick glance shows Brisbane had the most expensive fuel over the last 45 days.

https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/pe...l-price-cycles.

Back to borders....i wouldn't be surprised to see NZ pause the bubble - surprised they haven't already actually!

You know I have in a few places around the world and Australia is the only place I know of with this fuel "discounting" cycle.

I beleive the discount price is actually supposed to be the real price and what you pay on Friday is the jacked up price. Is the Govt seriously trying to say that all the major fuel retailers changing their prices up and down within minutes of each other isn't some form of market manipulation?

655 of the 801 deaths during the second wave were from federally run aged care facilities. The same facilities making news only a few weeks ago for being under-vaccinated, mixing staff and convincing isolating staff to come to work.

ACCC...................

My partner and I are both in our 40s, living in Melbourne.

Last week, my partner was able to walk in off the street to get the Pfizer vaccine. I wasn’t able to attend with her.

This week, walk ins are no longer being accepted for Pfizer, nor are initial bookings being taken as the supply of Pfizer vaccine is not assured.

With the 50-60 bracket now being steered towards the Pfizer jab, the wait for those in younger age groups will be much longer than anticipated.

Crux of the issue is federal vaccine procurement and distribution amongst the states.

Indeed, i think its also only a matter of time before the decision is made to vaccinate older children (12+) as is being done in the USA and Canada.

Knew the ‘I stand with Dan’ crowd would be scurrying out to blame all their ills on the feds. Can’t move up here in the North for Victorians escaping the COVID gulag.

I knew somebody would chime in to defend Capt Flogbag. I quite like Merlino in comparison. Leadership spill please.

Next two will probably be female. The next one most certainly will be.

Merlino is about third in line. He will need to battle it out with comeback queen Jill in the long term.

Jacinta will be next in line. The brains behind Public Transport Victoria. God help us all.

I'm not defending him, I'm just stating the facts.

The ScoBros don’t care for facts.

what facts are those?

The creeping assumption that absolves a uniformly amnesiac state cabinet.?

AND the Minster 'responsible' in Federal Cabinet who at an inquiry could not even estimate how many had died in a system HE is responsible for, again a week or so ago also replied with "don't know" when asked how many vaccinations had been administered. What exactly is this moron being paid out of taxypayer's money to do????

I wouldn't be surprised if he struggled to answer the question "What is an Aged Care Home". The bloke is clearly incompetent. But he's not alone, have a look at the Minister for Robodebt and ask how he could possibly still have his job.