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Global Aviator 21st Dec 2020 08:43


Originally Posted by Lazyload (Post 10951527)
The thread title is now so wrong. I rename it to "Only one border must close" .Yes, that's right. We didn't invent the virus here. It arrived by air or sea. Australia is an island, so in the national interests we just now need to bite the bullet and stop all international passenger flights. All of them. No more tourists, no more repatriations, no more incoming pax or transiting aircrew from anywhere, period. I'm appalled that the new highly contagious virulent strain from the UK has now been detected in Australia. Whereas the EU is already stopping UK flights, Australia is wide open. Enough. Don't let them depart or turn them back midair.

No worries Pauline.

What about all the Aussies trying to get home that have had multiple flight cancellations? Aussies that get called and given 24 hours notice to get on a repat flight? Aussies that want to come home full stop. I suggest you pick up your passport and have a read of the pages..............

How many other passenger flights are coming in? Apart from A listers on Globals to Byron?

Yes 100% the system needs to be fixed to be bullet proof but while you’ve got states and territories not working as a team ya got no hope. For instance why is Howard Springs not being fully utilised? Get the ADF in if necessary but use the facility, it’s the closest thing to a purpose built quarantine facility Aus has, get all 3500 beds going. Easy? No! Doable? Yes!

I think we are better than F off we’re full!

Servo 21st Dec 2020 08:45


Originally Posted by Lazyload (Post 10951527)
The thread title is now so wrong. I rename it to "Only one border must close" .Yes, that's right. We didn't invent the virus here. It arrived by air or sea. Australia is an island, so in the national interests we just now need to bite the bullet and stop all international passenger flights. All of them. No more tourists, no more repatriations, no more incoming pax or transiting aircrew from anywhere, period. I'm appalled that the new highly contagious virulent strain from the UK has now been detected in Australia. Whereas the EU is already stopping UK flights, Australia is wide open. Enough. Don't let them depart or turn them back midair.

Any links to the virulent, highly contagious UK strain being found here in Oz. First time I have heard it mentioned.

Trampdave 21st Dec 2020 08:47

Just strayed onto this thread and I am honestly in an absolute shock! Are all Ozzys gripped with fear or is it just a special bunch here? Is the whole island going insane? Did anyone tell u that this is not an ebola outbreak?
There are tens of thousands of cases every day in europe, and the live goes on (though stupidely restricted). Most my friends and I including families have had it, and all that has happened were headaches, some had fever, kids absolutely nothing. Yes, it can be dangerous for some, just like numerous other diseases.
For how long are u willing to stop your lives? You really think u can outsmart such a virus by isolation? And what if u get other strains? Covid 21, 22, 23...? How long can your economy idle and your government print more money to compensate for sitting still? Is freedom to choose just an empty word now?

benttrees 21st Dec 2020 08:57

Kerry Chant said it this morning in her brief

Bend alot 21st Dec 2020 09:19


Originally Posted by Trampdave (Post 10951553)
Just strayed onto this thread and I am honestly in an absolute shock! Are all Ozzys gripped with fear or is it just a special bunch here? Is the whole island going insane? Did anyone tell u that this is not an ebola outbreak?
There are tens of thousands of cases every day in europe, and the live goes on (though stupidely restricted). Most my friends and I including families have had it, and all that has happened were headaches, some had fever, kids absolutely nothing. Yes, it can be dangerous for some, just like numerous other diseases.
For how long are u willing to stop your lives? You really think u can outsmart such a virus by isolation? And what if u get other strains? Covid 21, 22, 23...? How long can your economy idle and your government print more money to compensate for sitting still? Is freedom to choose just an empty word now?

Think us and our economy are doing better than Sweden by a factor of X.
Certainly better than Britain and the USA.
Glad you got it and zero basically effects - How was the flight in the US recently? about to get tested I hear.

Sounds like a lovely flight for the rest of the pax while 3 doing CPR.


Ragnor 21st Dec 2020 09:43

What will it take. If you’re stuck over seas well sorry it’s time we look after the mother land. No more extensions for diplomats apranetly zoom is awesome movie stars well you’re lower than the scum on my feet you can’t wait. Time to look after the greater good Australia. I really wish Gladys take the strong approach and stop international arrivals.

Servo 21st Dec 2020 09:44


Originally Posted by benttrees (Post 10951557)
Kerry Chant said it this morning in her brief

Thanks. Just had a link pop up on my news feed. Who says Google is not monitoring what we say and write.

Not something we need. Article stated, Chant refused to say whether the people with the UK strain were in hotel quarantine.

Why is information being withheld? I get a feeling that state and federal politicians and their advisors are withholding a lot of information.

currawong 21st Dec 2020 09:58

Limited international arrivals, as we have now, should not be a problem.

IF handled correctly.

Turns out, somewhat surprisingly, they are not being handled correctly.


ScepticalOptomist 21st Dec 2020 10:00


Originally Posted by Trampdave (Post 10951553)
Just strayed onto this thread and I am honestly in an absolute shock! Are all Ozzys gripped with fear or is it just a special bunch here? Is the whole island going insane? Did anyone tell u that this is not an ebola outbreak?
There are tens of thousands of cases every day in europe, and the live goes on (though stupidely restricted). Most my friends and I including families have had it, and all that has happened were headaches, some had fever, kids absolutely nothing. Yes, it can be dangerous for some, just like numerous other diseases.
For how long are u willing to stop your lives? You really think u can outsmart such a virus by isolation? And what if u get other strains? Covid 21, 22, 23...? How long can your economy idle and your government print more money to compensate for sitting still? Is freedom to choose just an empty word now?

Yes mate, most on this forum are a special kind..

We are nothing more than scared school kids, and we’re screwed unless these vaccines do the trick...

It’s what happens when you’ve been a nanny state for so long, you just do what Mummy tells you “to stay safe”.

I used to be proud to say I was an Australian - now it’s a tad embarrassing.. we’re a bunch of sheep..

getaway 21st Dec 2020 10:26


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 10951511)
You have 48 hours to produce your licence in Queensland. You should carry it with you, you do not have to. Reference is s.58(3) of the Police Powers Responsibilities Act.

e medicare card or passport is all that's required. Don't have to provide an address. This nonsense has gone on way too long.

getaway 21st Dec 2020 10:28


Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist (Post 10951608)
Yes mate, most on this forum are a special kind..

We are nothing more than scared school kids, and we’re screwed unless these vaccines do the trick...

It’s what happens when you’ve been a nanny state for so long, you just do what Mummy tells you “to stay safe”.

I used to be proud to say I was an Australian - now it’s a tad embarrassing.. we’re a bunch of sheep..

luckily guns are strill legal. I'm getting a big one for Xmas. Watch out.

Bodie1 21st Dec 2020 11:03


Are all Ozzys gripped with fear or is it just a special bunch here?
Dude, it's pathetic. You should live amongst this embarrassment. You should have seen the airports and highways, it was like armageddon. Pathetic and embarrassing.

The worst group are the boomers, petrified ninnies, their parents would be disgusted.

halfmoon 21st Dec 2020 11:11

I've clicked on numerous surveys and it seems 90% want a lockdown to occur in Sydney to stop this latest spread.

getaway 21st Dec 2020 11:20


Originally Posted by Bodie1 (Post 10951667)
Dude, it's pathetic. You should live amongst this embarrassment. You should have seen the airports and highways, it was like armageddon. Pathetic and embarrassing.

The worst group are the boomers, petrified ninnies, their parents would be disgusted.

while Delta is now flying Americans to EU without restrictions(they might have to wear a mask) & no quarantine. Delta looking to do the same to Asia.

SOPS 21st Dec 2020 18:29


Originally Posted by Bodie1 (Post 10951667)
Dude, it's pathetic. You should live amongst this embarrassment. You should have seen the airports and highways, it was like armageddon. Pathetic and embarrassing.

The worst group are the boomers, petrified ninnies, their parents would be disgusted.

Us ‘ Boomers’ are not so keen on seeing Australia turn into the USA or the UK.. with thousands of deaths. But that’s just us. ( or me).

Ragnor 21st Dec 2020 19:57

One things we can agree on. We are not Australian, we are not in this together we are more individual than ever our states divided by an imaginary line each having its own set of rules a federal goverment that’s totally powerless which has really only been realized to us with the outbreak of this pandemic. Some what ashamed on how other Australians are treating other Australians. If you’re in Aviation, tourism or hospitality be prepared for these open close borders which will be against NSW mostly as the risk is higher due to higher international arrivals When Victoria gets its next community case I hope McIdiot and the rest of them lock them out just to see Dan smug face then.

Ascend Charlie 21st Dec 2020 21:01

I am very happy to be in Oz, where 20 cases make news and 1 death is a headline. Not like Europe or Trumptown with 300,000 dead and tens of thousands more cases every day, hospitals loaded to the max, medical staff run off their feet.

In regional QLD, no lockdowns, no cases, and back in April, no toilet paper. But all good now, only difference is, no tourists.

Green.Dot 21st Dec 2020 21:12


Originally Posted by Trampdave (Post 10951553)
There are tens of thousands of cases every day in europe, and the live goes on (though stupidely restricted).

How long can your economy idle and your government print more money to compensate for sitting still? Is freedom to choose just an empty word now?

You’d be hard pressed to get many Aussies (pilots included who want borders open) to agree with you that the UK strategy has been better.

Right now the figures say our economy is doing much better than Europe and our hospitals have spare capacity.

Not saying all this to be smug, just acknowledging we have got lucky with our geographical position and mining resources propping up the economy, and yes it can all come crashing down overnight.

Thoughts with everyone doing it tough around the world, hope you can have a good Christmas under the circumstances.




blubak 21st Dec 2020 21:26


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10952075)
One things we can agree on. We are not Australian, we are not in this together we are more individual than ever our states divided by an imaginary line each having its own set of rules a federal goverment that’s totally powerless which has really only been realized to us with the outbreak of this pandemic. Some what ashamed on how other Australians are treating other Australians. If you’re in Aviation, tourism or hospitality be prepared for these open close borders which will be against NSW mostly as the risk is higher due to higher international arrivals When Victoria gets its next community case I hope McIdiot and the rest of them lock them out just to see Dan smug face then.

That may well happen but i dont believe borders are being closed because it makes the premier of another state feel good.
Why is it that NSW is still allowing gatherings of 300 people & still only recommending masks.
The leading infection experts are still trying to make sense of these 2 decisions so in reality the NSW premier is really her own worst enemy right now despite having done an outstanding job over many many months.

Green.Dot 21st Dec 2020 22:45


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10952075)
One things we can agree on. We are not Australian, we are not in this together we are more individual than ever our states divided by an imaginary line each having its own set of rules a federal goverment that’s totally powerless which has really only been realized to us with the outbreak of this pandemic. Some what ashamed on how other Australians are treating other Australians. If you’re in Aviation, tourism or hospitality be prepared for these open close borders which will be against NSW mostly as the risk is higher due to higher international arrivals When Victoria gets its next community case I hope McIdiot and the rest of them lock them out just to see Dan smug face then.

I think Dan is a moron of the highest order. The clusterf*vck in Victoria was caused by incompetence, a lack of oversight and since then there has been little ownership of the mistakes and lie after lie.

But I don’t disagree with him closing the border to Sydney in the SHORT term- Melburnians don’t deserve another lockdown under his regime. I’ll disagree if he pushes for 28 days no community transmission in re opening, that will take months.




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