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goodonyamate 20th Dec 2020 04:17

So Sydney is shut out from the rest of ‘Australia’ because of two self entitled boomers. Just another way that generation has f@&ked this country. Well done dickheads you should be in prison.

PoppaJo 20th Dec 2020 04:22


Originally Posted by goodonyamate (Post 10950683)
So Sydney is shut out from the rest of ‘Australia’ because of two self entitled boomers. Just another way that generation has f@&ked this country. Well done dickheads you should be in prison.

And once again Aviation cops the brunt. My employer will lose half its capacity across its network from this. Thousands back on stand down for who knows how long.

We then need to wait for weeks of zero transmission until the states open the doors again. It is now February.

jrfsp 20th Dec 2020 04:33

We can only hope the outbreak has been contained to NSW otherwise we will be back to the skeleton schedules. It further erodes people confidence to book trips when these sudden outbreaks occur.

Joshy might want to get his revisit the maths from last week

SOPS 20th Dec 2020 04:42


Originally Posted by goodonyamate (Post 10950683)
So Sydney is shut out from the rest of ‘Australia’ because of two self entitled boomers. Just another way that generation has f@&ked this country. Well done dickheads you should be in prison.

Who are these two people? I understood the original source has not been found.

Ragnor 20th Dec 2020 05:32


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 10950685)
And once again Aviation cops the brunt. My employer will lose half its capacity across its network from this. Thousands back on stand down for who knows how long.

We then need to wait for weeks of zero transmission until the states open the doors again. It is now February.

Don’t be to concerned yet of months of stand down etc. As the NSW premier said today 30 cases sounds bad but, it’s not all bad news all within Northern beaches 28 are linked to the RSL 2 under investigation. Hopefully tomorrow if there are still high numbers they’re all in the same LGA. One things I have seen is the compliance of ppl to stay home in the last 3 days which is encouraging. Just like the Parafield cluster this Northern beaches cluster will be short lived and just a bump in the road.

Gladys and Hazzard have said there will be outbreaks along the way so NSW has not let its guard down and was prepared. WA is not prepared and ran for the hills on the first sniff. The other states for the first time I agree closing to SY but I hope they don’t close for months if the numbers settle by end of the yr.

Bodie1 20th Dec 2020 05:38


because of two self entitled boomers.
Nobody likes a boomer, but........it's more than likely an aviation industry worker that spread it.

And you're blaming the wrong boomers (or gen x'ers) for the shutdowns.

KRviator 20th Dec 2020 05:48


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 10950692)
Who are these two people? I understood the original source has not been found.

According to NSW CHO Dr Kerry Chant:

"What we know is that this sequence from this strain that is associated with this cluster is most closely linked to a returned traveller from overseas who arrived in the country on 1st December. It is important to know that we don't know how common that is in Australia. Obviously we are testing all of the returning travellers from overseas and we are accessing international databases to get some idea. But you can imagine some countries like the US, gene sequencing isn't their priority given the number of cases they have.

"There is no-one else we have identified that could be the source. At the moment we are forensically looking at all of the journeys of that individual to see if there were any points associated with it. I think I spoke at my press conference yesterday that we have been testing in the vicinity of that person in terms of cleaners or anyone that might have cleaned a room after the person left - [we are taking] the upmost precaution to just check whether they could have been the source. Can I just say, there is an intensive investigation under way and, while I really do want to find the source, it may be that this is going to be a challenge beyond us. But we are doing everything we can.
If they arrived 01 December they would (should) have been in hotel quarantine until December 15. So how did this particular strain get out & about on the Northern Beaches on December 10/11? And why mention about "checking their room after they left" if it was already in the community before they should have left quarantine?

To me, it's either someone who is allowed to quarantine at home as part of their normal duties, or some boomer who bought their way out of quarantine and in doing so, thought the rest of the rules didn't apply to them.


Originally Posted by Ragnor
WA is not prepared and ran for the hills on the first sniff.

They showed why they're so shyte-scared of it though! They can't handle the testing rate required! Their test centers were turning people away at an overall testing-rate of only 2,000 per day "4x the normal rate" says Mark McGoose. Hell, if you can't handle 2,000 tests a day, and are only averaging 500/day normally it's no wonder you'll want to keep people out. I shudder to think what'd happen if it does get into the WA community! NSW runs around 10,000 tests/day in normal times. 20x the number of WA tests, but with only 3x the population. And McGoose want's to lecture Gladys on how things should be done? Pfft!

Premier Mark McGowan says almost 2000 people presented at clinics on Thursday, about four times the usual daily number.Source

goodonyamate 20th Dec 2020 06:05

There were two people, a 60 year old and a 70 year old, who had symptoms, got tested, were ordered to quarantine and didn’t. Instead they went on a tour of the northern beaches including the Avalon rsl and bowlo. This has been well documented.

i accept that how they contracted it is still a mystery.

however, because of the selfishness and sense of entitlement of these two (yes they are boomers...gen x 1965...) the outbreak worsened when it shouldnt have, at least not to the current extent.

these two should be Locked up. I make no apologies for singling them out as boomers. As gen x myself, I’ve followed them my whole life, and seen the massive windfalls that have come their way, that no current generation will ever see. It’s like a drug for them. They always want more. And they want the following generations to pay for it. When this all kicked off in March, in my area, everyone was doing the right thing. Distancing, staying home etc...everyone except the boomers who were out mingling with their friends. Saw it first hand. No distancing. Nothing.
my parents are disgusted at their own generation. Because of these two. Thousands of xmas’s, including my own family’s, are ruined. Haven’t seen them since January. And now won’t.

Edit...small number of boomers giving the rest a bad name. :cool::p

LostWanderer 20th Dec 2020 06:09


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10950705)
Don’t be to concerned yet of months of stand down etc. As the NSW premier said today 30 cases sounds bad but, it’s not all bad news all within Northern beaches 28 are linked to the RSL 2 under investigation. Hopefully tomorrow if there are still high numbers they’re all in the same LGA. One things I have seen is the compliance of ppl to stay home in the last 3 days which is encouraging. Just like the Parafield cluster this Northern beaches cluster will be short lived and just a bump in the road

I love optimism as much as the next guy, but every time a city/state/country believes things are getting under control...right on cue we get a flare up of differing severity. Question is, while maybe this one will be small and controlled there is no assurance the next one will be and I would wager there will be more to come.

All it takes is a severe super spreader event and a whole bunch more of us will likely not return to the skies anytime in the near future and for some maybe never as a bunch of QF and VA folk sadly have experienced. It'a a fragile little industry and until a vaccine is widely available and actually fully effective against the virus and mutation, any job security in the airlines are going to be minimal at best.

Servo 20th Dec 2020 06:22

I wonder if it is possible to find out who the 60 and 70yo are and if it would be possible to take a civil case against them for loss of income, business etc?

Just thinking.

DirectAnywhere 20th Dec 2020 06:24

Quarantining infectious returned travellers in capital cities has to stop - now. It has been proven 3 times that the risks simply cannot be managed.

If the aviation industry had failed to learn from its mistakes in a similar manner there would be smoking holes off the end of every runway daily.

TGA needs to expedite vaccine approval. If efficacious vaccines have been approved by reputable overseas regulators, it shouldn't take until January for approval and March for first doses to be administered.

This is getting harder to take every time it happens. Personally, this one has knocked me around worse than the last couple. There was such optimism a few days ago and we have managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, for the same reason. Again.

Green.Dot 20th Dec 2020 06:34


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10950705)
Just like the Parafield cluster this Northern beaches cluster will be short lived and just a bump in the road.

If they get it under control in quick time, then yes it will be a bump in the road for most of society.

But it’s no bump in the road for domestic aviation. Unless your definition of a bump is the bucket kicked down the road 2 months minimum.

And unlike Adelaide, Sydney/Melbourne are crucial to stand up a large majority of the aviation network across the country.

Bodie1 20th Dec 2020 07:03


And McGoose want's to lecture Gladys on how things should be done?
This bloke is a complete ****wit. Clueless.

Ragnor 20th Dec 2020 07:30

As a Sydney based Pilot, I’m waiting the stand down! It is a bump in the road as long as the rest of the country is open the effects on other bases will be there but not total stand downs. If I get a 2 month stand down well that’s how it is but the business is earning money and we will all have something to go back to.

Anyone else who is in Sydney with the scaremongering others had spread that domestic will be dead for a long time, zoom will be the new way etc welll there has been plenty of travelers and a tonne of business people.

Turnleft080 20th Dec 2020 07:33


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10950764)
As a Sydney based Pilot, I’m waiting the stand down! It is a bump in the road as long as the rest of the country is open the effects on other bases will be there but not total stand downs. If I get a 2 month stand down well that’s how it is but the business is earning money and we will all have something to go back to.

Anyone else who is in Sydney with the scaremongering others had spread that domestic will be dead for a long time, zoom will be the new way etc welll there has been plenty of travelers and a tonne of business people.

Operations from all airlines now starting to cancel flights into SYD.

myshoutcaptain 20th Dec 2020 07:47


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10950768)
Operations from all airlines now starting to cancel flights into SYD.

Silver lining? More work to be done by Australian based crew/airlines?.

dr dre 20th Dec 2020 07:51


Originally Posted by Bodie1 (Post 10950748)
This bloke is a complete ****wit. Clueless.

West Aussies will be enjoying the lead up to Christmas in near total freedom, certain residents of Sydney won’t. You think the average West Aussie would rather Gladys in charge?

You know there’s an entire community of people outside of aviation who get to vote right?

Angle of Attack 20th Dec 2020 08:01

No remote quarantine is not too difficult, the Federal Gov needs to get off their bums and organise something, forget the quotas, you bring in as many as safely possible. Can’t get workers? Pay them 150k salary, you will get workers. Pay for domestic flights around the country once the arrivals are out of quarantine. You bet it’s expensive but this stop start crap will dwarf the costs of a proper remote quarantine system. Vaccine ain’t gonna bring relief anytime soon, at best the end of 21, do we want another year of Stop Starting of the economy? I’ve been advocating remote quarantine since May last year, I think after every bloody state goes through the same mistakes eventually it might come next year. Unless Scomo actually uses initiative and does something for once.

Chronic Snoozer 20th Dec 2020 08:05


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10950774)
West Aussies will be enjoying the lead up to Christmas in near total freedom, certain residents of Sydney won’t. You think the average West Aussie would rather Gladys in charge?

You know there’s an entire community of people outside of aviation who get to vote right?

There is practically no social distancing going on during Christmas shopping and poor application of the three. If it gets into WA, they're cactus.

Bodie1 20th Dec 2020 08:56


West Aussies will be enjoying the lead up to Christmas in near total freedom, certain residents of Sydney won’t.
That's awesome for you. What comes across quite often from West Australians is the smug 'we're in near total freedom.' Well you've got that because you've got an insular clown who is lucky enough to have remote borders and a state that virtually no Australian wants to be in apart from West Australians. Your state has always had a massive chip on its shoulder and you now see payback. What Mc****wit does, anybody could do. What Gladys, Hazzard & Chant does is try and manage the virus holistically, it's obvious they are trying to manage the virus, the economy and people's mental health.


You think the average West Aussie would rather Gladys in charge?
I'm in NSW at the moment, I've been caught up in lockdowns but am fortunate enough to have escaped most of it, I wouldn't be anywhere else, I'm lucky, I'm with family. I'd take Gladys in charge any day than a smug ****wit who's lucky enough to have the natural resources to keep a state afloat. Face it, you've got nothing else, a backwater really. If you left the federation no one would care.


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