Were you saying the same when 3000 people were allowed off a cruise ship in Sydney which killed 30 people? NSW reported 18 cases today. They're only 3 weeks behind Vic. I hope to see you screaming from the rooftops that Gladys should be sacked when we see NSW hit the second wave and we are at 100+ daily new cases.

There's no playbook for pandemic's, but there sure is culpability about ensuring guards at hotels do the job they are supposed to do. If he had managed that right (as they seem to have done in every other state) we would not be in this calamitous situation now.

Why are people continually apologising for this clown ??

ahh, the ‘lock down the sick’ idea! Sounds beautiful in its simplicity, but like most issues, it’s more complex than that.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www....outputType=amp

I was also thinking along these lines at the beginning of the pandemic (for the sake of my career) but unfortunately an objective analysis of all facts showed this isn’t possible.

Add to that, I was in the ‘its just a flu’ camp for the first few weeks too! Some of my quotes certainly haven’t aged well.

1. Why would you go to SA? The reason SA escaped from getting high number of cases is quite literally because no one goes there in my opinion. QLD, NSW, VIC got most of the cases purely for the fact that these 3 states get more international travellers hence more people carrying the virus. Note up until recently these were the only 3 states that were taking in any form of Repatriation flights.

2. As far as I remember he explicitly said to not go to those protests. All the other major cities in Australia had these protests (much bigger than Melb in some cities) but no transmission and even in Melbourne it has proven to be very low cases which are not linked in any way shape or form. So no you cannot blame the increase of cases on BLM protests.

3. Private Security guards have been used widely across all the other states as well. NSW had caught some sleeping on the job. The only reason anyone has any sort of a problem with this is because some idiot couldn't keep it in his pants. This idiot didn't have the brain space to compute that these people were being isolated for some reason.

Then there were families who decided the rules that were in place didn't exist for them, people even thought regardless of having being diagnosed with this disease they were allowed to go visit their family.

Honestly, yes Dan could have done things better but in my opinion majority of the blame lies with the people of Victoria (including I). I for one would not want Dan's job and I am pretty sure nor would anyone on this thread or the opposition party (thank god they aren't in power).

This is too rational for PPRUNE.

please take you logical/radical ideas elsewhere!

As far as the protests go - were people seriously going to take his advice and "not go". Clearly not.

Hotel guards - In other states there was much more supervision. Also ask Dan the man about the security contracts that were offered to several companies who refused as the money on offer wouldn't cover costs. You get what you pay for. In the end, he paid for crap and got exactly that.

It's reasonable to expect prudent and sensible leadership with adequate processes to manage and monitor this sort of stuff. External assistance should have been here in much greater numbers weeks and months ago.

Now it may be months before even domestic borders fully open.

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Emulate the successful.

Its not that hard...

Taiwan the most successful....no lockdown.....masks mandatory in public and on public transport
masks readily available....eg 711 stores and subsidised by government according to my mate there.
25 million people on an island half the size of Tasmania, 7 deaths and around 430 cases.

1. Didn't the NSW government try make the protests illegal yet the courts over ruled the decision? I can guarantee you if Dan had tried to do the same thing you all would be complaint about "loss of democracy". Damned if you Damned if you don't.

2. Can you guarantee that with more supervision this idiot security guard would not have slept with the person? Didn't stop the guards from sleeping with all this "extra supervision" in NSW did it?

3. You'll see when Australians start embracing/normalising wearing of masks domestic travel will return sooner than later. But it's people like Turnleft080 who will make it very much difficult to do so costing us all our own jobs and livelihoods then in turn complain about losing jobs and livelihoods.

Here's some more data. Compared with the infection rates of East Asian nations that I posted in post #469 there's one outlier, Singapore. That nation had traditionally had a policy of discouraging their citizens from wearing masks. It's infection rate is currently 8000 per 1mil, putting it into the territory of Western nations. They have since reversed their policy on mask wearing in April, and have suffered a decline in infections since.

We really should be looking to our fellow members of the Asia-Pacific and fighting the pandemic as they successfully have, not how it's being fought in countries we traditionally considered as more similar (cough USA/UK cough).

They actually did pretty well over in SA if you look at the case numbers per capita. At the start of the pandemic they had the 2nd highest number of cases per capita and even now have had higher number of historical cases per capita than QLD, WA and NT. They had very high rates of testing and good contact tracing that got some genuine community transmission under control early on. Victoria on the other hand had very low rates of testing until the recent outbreak.

Singapore had enviable rates even within Asia - Expat workers were and are still the downfall in "infection" rates. Death rates that are very close to the top and exceptionally low even within Asia.

And personally I trust Singapore's reported cases of infection and death rates more than some other Asian numbers reports

Oh, so please don't ignore while the plan was in place, it was never funded: Obama. To busy giving phones to his voters.

Private security guards were used in Melbourne because Minister Pakula is allegedly beholden to their union, at least according to the Liberals. Political correctness prevented reaching out to racial and religious non english speaking minorities as well.

The result is that the vector in Victoria has been the low paid immigrant workforce. Security guards, meat workers, and now assistants in aged care centers.

‘’It’s now about to go through prisons. Victoria police by the way has SFA masks available at present, so they can’t do much either.

Your facts won't work here. Suggest you study the recent events in Portland, such a glowing example of the Left. Hasn't Fauci been in charge of pandemic response since hmmmmmm 1984? but yeah its all orange mans fault, Facebook tells me so.

So Dan wants us to wear a mask while driving.

They found that about a third of the workers developed headaches with use of the mask, most had preexisting headaches that were worsened by the mask wearing, and 60% required pain medications for relief. As to the cause of the headaches, while straps and pressure from the mask could be causative, the bulk of the evidence points toward hypoxia and/or hypercapnia as the cause. That is, a reduction in blood oxygenation (hypoxia) or an elevation in blood C02 (hypercapnia). It is known that the N95 mask, if worn for hours, can reduce blood oxygenation as much as 20%, which can lead to a loss of consciousness, as happened to the hapless fellow driving around alone in his car wearing an N95 mask, causing him to pass out, and to crash his car and sustain injuries. I am sure that we have several cases of elderly individuals or any person with poor lung function passing out, hitting their head. This, of course, can lead to death.

Dr. Russell Blaylock, author of The Blaylock Wellness Report newsletter, is a nationally recognized board-certified neurosurgeon, health practitioner, author, and lecturer.


I wish the that F wit turnleft would just POQ and just shut up he does not know what he is talking about. He is a terrible rat spreading all sorts of horse droppings.
Thanks Thisishardtochoose. Drive safely all and good health.

Ahhh yeah the chemtrails, antivaxor who is selling his own formulations that have 'excitotoxins' to promote regrowth of the brain

https://vaccineconspiracytheorist.**...-blaylock.html

Realistically do you think he likes having to do all this??
Its easy for others to write on here & criticise but overall we should consider ourselves lucky we have someone who cares & is doing his best.
Yes of course hes made mistakes but is there anyone who hasnt.
Just on the subject of the BLM protestors-where are they all now?
Oh thats right,they are trying to find another reason to protest about now,the BLM issue has gone away,not important any more.

Don’t surgeons wear masks for hours at a time?

if it really had the kind of effect you’re suggesting the entire medical industry would be screwed