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neville_nobody 29th Mar 2021 06:21


Its a real sh1t show in Cairns - masks on, masks off, masks on, masks off..... wheel of fortune seems to have stopped on masks on.
Cairns is about to have bigger problems than who is wearing a mask.

SOPS 29th Mar 2021 06:27

NT starting to close to parts of QLD ( Q on arrival from Hot Spots). Easter is not looking good.

SHVC 29th Mar 2021 06:29

Will Queen P be expecting the federal government to issue handouts to business that will lose income this school holidays? This will go on more than 3 days. NSW have already called 1400 ppl in Byron instructing them to isolate.

jrfsp 29th Mar 2021 06:31

Couldn't be worse timing, the wider issue is further erosion of confidence in forward bookings. Yields are already [email protected] poor, sales do not provide confidence in booking, people need flexibility in ticket conditions

blubak 29th Mar 2021 07:08


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11018338)
WA has just closed the border to QLD. No 14 day Q. Unless exempt ( and it’s a very short list), people from QLD can no longer enter WA.

Is it all of QLD the border is closed to or just the Brisbane area?
I heard Vic has made Brisbane a 'RED' area from 6pm today so the loads will be very light on bne-mel flights once 6pm kicks in.THANKS AGAIN QUEEN P.

4EvahLearning 29th Mar 2021 07:13


Originally Posted by blubak (Post 11018379)
Is it all of QLD the border is closed to or just the Brisbane area?
I heard Vic has made Brisbane a 'RED' area from 6pm today so the loads will be very light on bne-mel flights once 6pm kicks in.THANKS AGAIN QUEEN P.

In WA it is closed to all of Qld. I'm in WA and I think it's ridiculous. We should follow the other states who don't exclude every person from one state at the drop of a sneeze.

C441 29th Mar 2021 07:33


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11018324)
It doesn’t come into effect until 5 this afternoon. So what do you think people are doing from the time in was announced until 5... yep leaving Brisbane for the Gold Coast, the Sunshine Coast, for NSW.

30 mins after lockdown commenced and I'm glad I'm not going down the Gold Coast.
Local traffic reports describing it as an 80km carpark! :eek:

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....dc098b5f0e.png
Not so bad north of the map, surprisingly.


jrfsp 29th Mar 2021 07:36

Wouldnt be surprised if Byron becomes the next "hotspot"

Fonz121 29th Mar 2021 07:39


Not so bad north of the map, surprisingly.
I was just at the airport DFO and going north was worse than a long weekend Friday afternoon. All lock down achieves is getting everyone crowded into supermarkets together and a mass exodus to spread potential cases far and wide.

They need to work on their marketing. Instead of calling it a lockdown, just mandate masks. It’s essentially the only difference anyway.

compressor stall 29th Mar 2021 07:48


Originally Posted by jrfsp (Post 11018392)
Wouldnt be surprised if Byron becomes the next "hotspot"

I'd have thought the vaccine rollout would be in full swing there. :oh:

Icarus2001 29th Mar 2021 10:04


They need to work on their marketing. Instead of calling it a lockdown, just mandate masks. It’s essentially the only difference anyway.
Oh yes, the only difference...

Except for not going to work unless essential, bars closed, cafes and restaurants take away only. No visits to friends. Cinemas closed. Gyms? Schools closed. Essential shopping only.

Just the same...:rolleyes:

morno 29th Mar 2021 10:26

The stupid thing is all those people leaving Brisy, the lockdown rules still apply no matter where they are :ugh:

LapSap 29th Mar 2021 10:29


Originally Posted by morno (Post 11018488)
The stupid thing is all those people leaving Brisy, the lockdown rules still apply no matter where they are :ugh:

You think anybody is keeping track of those who have holiday places on the Sunny Coast etc where they raced off to this arvo?? Think they’re going to fess up??
it’s a joke.

morno 29th Mar 2021 10:46


Originally Posted by LapSap (Post 11018491)
You think anybody is keeping track of those who have holiday places on the Sunny Coast etc where they raced off to this arvo?? Think they’re going to fess up??
it’s a joke.

Of course not, but remember the old saying, when it all goes wrong.....

Fonz121 29th Mar 2021 12:33


Oh yes, the only difference...

Except for not going to work unless essential, bars closed, cafes and restaurants take away only. No visits to friends. Cinemas closed. Gyms? Schools closed. Essential shopping only.

Just the same...https://www.pprune.org/images/smilie...n_rolleyes.gif
Tomorrow I can wake up and take my kids to daycare and school (my wage is as essential as the politicians). Afterwards I can go to my local coffee joint and grab a coffee. Then I might head to Target, because why not, it’s open. Then I’ll go to the farmers markets to grab a few things for the friends we’re having over for dinner. Might chuck a Bunnings visit in there as well.

No, that’s not what I’m actually going to do, but please tell me more about how having the city flee to other regions to escape the lockdown in a panic is a better result than simply mandating masks. I’ll be going about my normal life tomorrow with the addition of a mask.

“Essential” is a joke of a definition. Everyone will justify everything and no one will question it. Westfield Chermside will be open ffs. So why panic everyone with a “lock down” when you can achieve similar outcomes with less alarming language and measures.

JJ 789 29th Mar 2021 12:59

The term "lockdown" is a bit of a joke. I mean, the two lockdowns we've had here in Perth, myself and people I know didn't really go about our lives any differently... Apart from not being able to dine in a restaurant or go to a pub, I didn't restrict my movement at all and continued to visit family and friends, go for a browse at the shops, head to the beach.. nothing really that different. That's why I laugh when I hear that word.
Also, I wonder how many of this new cluster are seriously ill in Queensland?

Fonz121 29th Mar 2021 13:16


Also, I wonder how many of this new cluster are seriously ill in Queensland?
None apparently.

Ladloy 29th Mar 2021 16:29

If only we weren't 3.5m vaccinations behind schedule.

halfmoon 29th Mar 2021 19:08

The future of this country will be random lockdowns, border closures with fear and scare tactics from the politicians forcing vaccinations. It's already been said by Queeny on national news.

dr dre 30th Mar 2021 00:35


Originally Posted by halfmoon (Post 11018754)
The future of this country will be random lockdowns, border closures with fear and scare tactics from the politicians forcing vaccinations.

Politicians “forcing” vaccinations?? In my opinion they haven’t been forceful enough, from day one of the rollout all quarantine workers and healthcare coming into into contact with returned Covid cases should’ve been told “get a vaccine within 2 weeks, or find a new job”.

Tubman601 30th Mar 2021 00:36

The vaccine doesn’t stop you getting COVID, it just makes it less severe if you do get it. So even after being vaccinated people will still get it and the lockdowns will continue much to the glee of the pollies who are keeping us safe.... thank goodness for that.

Ascend Charlie 30th Mar 2021 00:50

Palachook loves all this. Those nasty Liberal bullies can't tell HER what to do!

dr dre 30th Mar 2021 00:50


Originally Posted by Tubman601 (Post 11018885)
The vaccine doesn’t stop you getting COVID, it just makes it less severe if you do get it. So even after being vaccinated people will still get it and the lockdowns will continue much to the glee of the pollies who are keeping us safe.... thank goodness for that.

Stopping severe illness is the point.

The rollout has barely started. The vaccinated numbers at this point in time are only 12% of where the federal government predicted they would be by now. As seen not even those who are coming into contact with Covid cases have all been fully vaccinated.

As far as wider ranging immunity goes that will take longer. At least until the critical populations in 1B and 2A are fully vaccinated. Local production is only just starting, and you need two shots dispersed by 3 months. So expect a similar reaction til around August/September.

International travel won’t resume until basic herd immunity is reached. Previously this was thought to be around 70%, in Israel however they’re seeing that maybe 55% is enough.

Yes the vaccine is a game changer, but it has to be injected into people to work. The effectiveness of vaccines sitting in storage containers is 0%. It won’t be too much higher if plenty of critical groups continue to be allowed to choose not to be vaccinated too.


LapSap 30th Mar 2021 01:00


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 11018883)
Politicians “forcing” vaccinations?? In my opinion they haven’t been forceful enough, from day one of the rollout all quarantine workers and healthcare coming into into contact with returned Covid cases should’ve been told “get a vaccine within 2 weeks, or find a new job”.

I can’t believe there doesn’t seem to have been a structured program to actively pursue and arrange vaccinations for medical staff as a top priority! The number of times I’ve heard them say the doctor/nurse/health worker had not been vaccinated yet astounds me.
Instead of wasting it on photo ops for our useless, expendable politicians, why weren’t these people done first? Yes I know they were nominated in the first phase but I can’t see any structured prioritising. Just seems up to the individual. For once I’ll agree with you dr Dre, get the jab or stop practising as a medical professional.

cynphil 30th Mar 2021 01:45

I think the problem is the supply of the vaccine not the reluctance of the medical profession to not get it! So maybe the real problem lies with the Federal Government!!

Chronic Snoozer 30th Mar 2021 01:56


Originally Posted by LapSap (Post 11018891)
I can’t believe there doesn’t seem to have been a structured program to actively pursue and arrange vaccinations for medical staff as a top priority! The number of times I’ve heard them say the doctor/nurse/health worker had not been vaccinated yet astounds me.
Instead of wasting it on photo ops for our useless, expendable politicians, why weren’t these people done first? Yes I know they were nominated in the first phase but I can’t see any structured prioritising. Just seems up to the individual. For once I’ll agree with you dr Dre, get the jab or stop practising as a medical professional.

Ask Chris Hemsworth to get a jab for a promo shoot. That'll motivate a few more people perhaps. Even Thor needs the vaccine. Mind you he lives in Byron.......

LapSap 30th Mar 2021 01:58

Which is why I said stop wasting even a single dose on those photo-opportunistic politicians ... of all pursuasions. (Replying to cynphil)

faction 30th Mar 2021 02:01


Originally Posted by Tubman601 (Post 11018885)
The vaccine doesn’t stop you getting COVID, it just makes it less severe if you do get it.

A new study by the CDC shows that a single dose provides an 80% reduction in the risk of infection, not just illness. The second dose improves that again.

"Under real-world conditions, mRNA vaccine effectiveness of full immunization (≥14 days after second dose) was 90% against SARS-CoV-2 infections regardless of symptom status; vaccine effectiveness of partial immunization (≥14 days after first dose but before second dose) was 80%."

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm

blubak 30th Mar 2021 02:01


Originally Posted by LapSap (Post 11018891)
I can’t believe there doesn’t seem to have been a structured program to actively pursue and arrange vaccinations for medical staff as a top priority! The number of times I’ve heard them say the doctor/nurse/health worker had not been vaccinated yet astounds me.
Instead of wasting it on photo ops for our useless, expendable politicians, why weren’t these people done first? Yes I know they were nominated in the first phase but I can’t see any structured prioritising. Just seems up to the individual. For once I’ll agree with you dr Dre, get the jab or stop practising as a medical professional.

Ah yes the photo opportunities,applauding each other,smiling for each other & back slapping their high flying party supporters meanwhile they have absolutely no idea how to roll out a vaccination schedule.
How good was he making himself look with his now useless 1/2 price airfare stunt,his salary wont get affected,thats for sure.

Chronic Snoozer 30th Mar 2021 02:13

Meanwhile......

new-covid-vaccines-needed-within-year-say-scientists

Same time next year?

LapSap 30th Mar 2021 02:17


Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer (Post 11018906)
Meanwhile......

new-covid-vaccines-needed-within-year-say-scientists

Same time next year?

I’m starting to doubt I’ll be receiving the first dose this year!

jrfsp 30th Mar 2021 02:29


Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer (Post 11018906)
Meanwhile......

new-covid-vaccines-needed-within-year-say-scientists

Same time next year?

This is why I cant see the intl border opening this year, too many new variants with unknown vaccine effectiveness - particularly Brazilian and South African variants

ScepticalOptomist 30th Mar 2021 02:31


Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer (Post 11018906)
Meanwhile......

new-covid-vaccines-needed-within-year-say-scientists

Same time next year?

Lots of “could”s and fluffy language in that article.. I wouldn’t be too concerned considering the source!

Buttscratcher 30th Mar 2021 02:33

You do know that any headline with the generic word Scientists in it is going to be bullshit, right?

minigundiplomat 30th Mar 2021 02:43


Stopping severe illness is the point.
Yep lets get that 99.1% survival rate up to 99.2%

jrfsp 30th Mar 2021 02:49


Originally Posted by minigundiplomat (Post 11018916)
Yep lets get that 99.1% survival rate up to 99.2%

In a study published in July 2020, Italian researchers followed 147 patients who had been hospitalized for COVID-19 and found that 87% still had symptoms 60 days after they were discharged from the hospital. A more recent study, published in January, found that 76% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in Wuhan, China, were still experiencing symptoms six months after first getting sick.

ScepticalOptomist 30th Mar 2021 02:53


Originally Posted by jrfsp (Post 11018918)
In a study published in July 2020, Italian researchers followed 147 patients who had been hospitalized for COVID-19 and found that 87% still had symptoms 60 days after they were discharged from the hospital. A more recent study, published in January, found that 76% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in Wuhan, China, were still experiencing symptoms six months after first getting sick.

And what were the symptoms? How bad? Which 147 patients? Why them?
A story has a lot of parts to it.

jrfsp 30th Mar 2021 03:02


Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist (Post 11018922)
And what were the symptoms? How bad? Which 147 patients? Why them?
A story has a lot of parts to it.

i dont disagree, but here is a forum for people needing class 1 medical cert, are you willing to take the chance? (Im not talking for post vaccination)

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53196009

i know this is only 1 example, but he'll never fly again

minigundiplomat 30th Mar 2021 03:09


n a study published in July 2020, Italian researchers followed 147 patients who had been hospitalized for COVID-19 and found that 87% still had symptoms 60 daysafter they were discharged from the hospital. A more recent study, published in January, found that 76% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in Wuhan, China, were still experiencing symptoms six months after first getting sick.
Not completely dissimilar to glandular fever. However, I don't believe we bankrupt the nation for that.

Doctors like certainty (that's not a criticism) but certainties involve zero risk. Nothing we do is without risk - if we always listened to doctors we'd all be teetotal vegan cyclists that never leave the house.

compressor stall 30th Mar 2021 03:57

It's never been about the ~1% fatality rate.

Say these three words slowly. Overloaded. Health. System.

The peak of many waves in various countries has brought several first world health systems crashing to a halt.

When every ICU bed is full and ventilator occupied, and you have a car crash and need intubating... what then? Plenty of people are admitted to ICU each day without COVID. They would likely die under an overloaded health system.

We don't have lockdowns for glandular fever as is not really contagious, unless sucking face, so it will never overload the health system.

Maybe people should listen to those Paris doctors who just yesterday took out an ad in the paper to say that before long it is likely that they will have to triage who lives and dies, with or without COVID.


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