Well lets have a go at an overview. NSW doesn't have any say in opening any borders in any practical sense. The NSW plan is to end lockdowns and remove restrictions at 70%, how does that reduce infection numbers (rate) and what do you do with those that require critical care (ventilated icu) when that is already at capacity. (about a week or two away) How is that not a crisis in anyone's book and what do you think the rest of the nation will be thinking at 80% vaccinated in NSW only (first) at this stage.

Lets just see what is actually happening once we reach 70%/80%, and especially what the ongoing vaccination pace is as we cross the thresholds. All premiers and their friends are busy putting words out there to try and stimulate as much demand as possible. Nothing they are saying now is a particularly a 'core promise', they may as well be threatening Year 8s into doing their homework. Their collective underlying fear will be a vaccination rate stalling somewhere near 80% cover, as that will leave us sinking back into the mud. In order to avoid that, and the political poison of a COVID peat fire that never ends, they will say whatever they think they need to right now.

I don''t think each individual states is really following that much of a different path in reality. Put any state leadership in any other states' shoes and you would get roughly the same response. There are bugger all true degrees of freedom, unless prepared to go balls-out loony to one end of the spectrum or the other.

It's a balancing act between the need to take urgent action and get vaccinated with whatever you can get right now and creating a freedom day for which people will take quite literally.

In countries with a high vaccination rate, once you get to about 80% coverage it starts to taper off quite noticeably. You never hit 100% due to people who can't or won't take the vaccine.

The first 80% are those that are keen and able for the jab, they get done as soon as they can.The remainder are less interested, live in remote locations or are medically unable.

Tasmania would be waiting a very long time if they want 90%.

Fantastic work Anna these pics are now making global headlines of our state luncheon that went on today down at Tweed. Not to mention the live Sunrise interview during that week with people jumping the border live on TV in the backdrop.
Embarrassing. I’m actually embarrassed to be an Queenslander. Send me back to Singapore.

In fact I’ll even head back to the land of Gladys and Dan where we won’t live like Hermits come December unlike us up north.


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The difference between the leaders of SA/NT/TAS and the likes of WA/QLD, is that the leaders of the smaller states don’t feel the need to impart their infinite wisdom and arrogance on others. McGowan and Palachook will jump at any chance to get in front of the media and explain how the rest of the country is doing it wrong. I don’t hear that from the others, they just seem more concerned with their own jurisdictions. Or perhaps it just doesn’t get the same sort of air time.

Emperor MaoGowan and Queen P have made themselves targets and turned the rest of the country against them.

I can’t speak the Premier of QLD, but I don’t think Mark McGowan gives a flying f$$k about what the rest of Australia thinks about him.

If I were a Premier, my order of priority in what people think would be, The greater majority of the people within the state I serve. The Cabinet, The State Party, Australians Generally, The leaders of other states, opposition leaders of other states. That then would put Scomo and Gladys at the very bottom of my list.

the first in your list are a fickle bunch. Sway with the breeze.

Well with only 2 opposition members in parliament barring any internal revolts McGowan can - as can Queen P - act as Hitlers (although maybe McGowan as the somewhat successful Hitler, Queen P as the comic relief Mussolini).

What WOULD be nice is that, after their terms of unbridled power, they could point to what that absolute power has allowed THEM, as THE PREMIERS, to achieve in improving - on a state level - the plight of the aboriginals which everyone talks about....but any real and tangible change/improvements all too hard, apparently. Now THAT could be leadership.

The chances of that happening? :* They are politicians after all.

Fickle or not, they are who I serve, a good leader does not sway, that doesn't mean cannot re-evaluate, adapt, change direction, but must be supported and always in the best interests of the greater majority.

Bull****.

With his absolute majority he is the potential of Hitler incarnate.
He doesn't have to be a leader - just a manipulator.

I wonder who his Goebbels is?

And the peasants must applaud. :D

At least you can be grateful to live in a country where you can have that opinion as twisted as it is.

Well it has finally happened.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Well learnt something - Godwin's Law, interesting article.

Sad the opinionated fail to read the "potential" in my comments.

Would one disagree that with such absolute majorities McGowan and Queen P COULDN't be Hitlers?
"Nah we'll avoid that part, hard to bull**** around that..." doesn't suit our narrative.

Just thought I'd try and breakup the incessant musing and wisdoms from one poster in particular that just goes on...and on...and on... and...

What do they say - go fishing, catch a whale...! :ok:
Cheers

When do we start to talk about this for the 20%.
Darwin Awards

Those who think that McGowan enjoys the majority that he has by way of some kind of uber mind manipulation and propaganda must be oblivious to the state of the opposition in WA.
It's all there to see. No secrets about it.

If they keep on the same track that they're on now they'll be lucky to have ANY seats in the next parliament.

Yes it is. All there to see. https://www.watoday.com.au/politics/...03-p58oof.html

QLD are OK with ppl hugging an sharing a meal on a plastic border over the weekend, I would of thought all those disobedient QLDnrs be sent to quarantine for touching infected NSW ppl. Australia is sinking to a new low each day with how we treat each other.

Just a historical point, the NSDAP (Nazi party) with Hitler as leader received 36% of total votes with a voter turn out of around 80% in the 1932 German Presidential elections. The German system did not elect outright leadership but all parties governed in coalition. Paul von Hindenburg won the Pesidential rights with 53% of the vote. Due to stability issues over the course of 1932/33 Hindenburg handed the position of Chancellor to Hitler and the NSDAP quickly moved to assume complete power and Hitler became a Dictator.

There were two Parliamentary elections that year, July and November, the NSDAP received 37% on 84% turn out in July and then 33% on 80% turnout in November.

McGowan won an election with 60% of the primary vote on 85% turnout, so it's not really a comparison to what the NSDAP did in 1932/33. Also McGowan has not sought to remove democratic process. Is he acting appropriately as the leader of WA? that's up to WA citizens to decide, they voted for him. Anyone outside WA screaming at McGowan, you might as well be screaming at Xi Jinping to change Chinese border policy.

** I just re-edited this original instead of continuing the thread on Nazi history....

Actually Hindenberg died and Hitler decided not to appoint a new president, instead took the role of both President and Chancellor and became Fuhrer.

Sorry, yeah I used the term president, when I meant Chancellor, Hitler was in effective power from that point. He gained ultimate power when Hindenburg died and basically dissolved the dual system giving Hitler and the Nazis absolute rule with no checks. Prior to his death Hindenburg was basically just approving whatever the Nazis ask for anyway as he had pretty much no choice.

We could go on, but it has very little to do with democratically elected "State Daddy's" closing borders.

37.36 percent with an 84.06 percent turnout. Source.

No. I was talking more about stuff like this from this morning's West Australian newspaper.

Compare McGowan with HItler? Nobody is being gassed, no countries are being invaded and he won the last election in a landslide. This comparison shows a lot of ignorance. The key to his success is that he has been entirely consistant throughout. He's not perfect by any means, but he is not Hitler. He is a popular leader and doing a good job with Covid. When people start comparing others to Hitler they lose all their credibility.

The reason McGowan is so widely supported here is because we have a covid free lifestyle, while Gladys in Wonderland tells us we have to live with her mistakes (we've already had to live with the consequences of her Ruby Princess disaster). We don't have to live with her appalling, deadly mistakes. We want to keep the virus at bay until the vaccination rates are high enough to safely open the borders. NO matter what party you may support, he does represent the majority view here, that we won't be dictated to by someone like Gladys. Remember it is on her watch that allegedly infected drug dealers from Sydney have been taking the virus to aboriginal communities if you really must bring that card up.

We actually don't care what other states think we should do, others may scoff, but it is exactly this kind of sneering at the West from locked down states with destroyed economies which shows that we are a very different bunch of Australians. So McGowan doesn't want covid deaths of West Australians on his conscience like Dan and Gladys have? Why is that a bad thing?

Maybe all the sour grapes are because we are hosting the Grand Final in our Covid free state? Or just jealous that we can go about our daily lives without restrictions or masks?

Behind a paywall.:( Can't read.

Yes, "one" would disagree. It's a ludicrous comparison. In a year or two if enough people feel they've done a bad job or the other mob would do better, they'll be out on their ears. Happens fairly regularly. McGowan won for a bunch of reasons, not least his Covid response which was, whether you like it or not, consistent and has been effective. WA is effectively living an unaffected lifestyle with the exception of interstate/overseas travel. Most people I talk to are fairly happy about things. Want to go to the beach, a bar with live music and 500 other people, or a Grand Final? You can do that. And the Liberals flip-flopped around, put the work experience kid up as their leader and can now hold a party meeting on the back of a moped. Maybe in a couple of years they'll make some sort of recovery.

Where is the like button when you need it?

No mate. Sour Grapes because what WA has achieved has been through good luck, nothing more, and certainly not good management, and not pulling their weight, all the while thumbing their nose at other states and telling them "This is how it should be done!". I dunno about you, but most every Aussie I've met takes a fairly dim view of people not pulling their weight and letting others carry the can...

Sure, if you want to bring in less than your percentage of returning Australians, you're more than welcome to. But NSW has consistently brought in two, two-and-a-bit times it's fair share since the border bollocks began. The same goes for airfreight...You don't see queues of FedEx or DHL planes heading in to Perth, do you? And of course, each of those crews needs to be transported to HQ, managed while in HQ and transported back to the airport, with the risk that entails.

Australia as a whole, has been happy to let NSW handle the lions share of the returning traveler & airfreight task, yet having the gall to penalise their citizens when it gets out of HQ, tut-tutting Gladys and her team for their perceived failings, because, you know, Tasmania has been Covid free for a year - but has taken in sweet FA international arrivals of any description for the vast majority of that timeframe...

For example, since April 2020-June 2021 (last month for which BTRE figures were available), this is the incoming passenger load:

• Adelaide: 19,969
• Brisbane: 112,276
• Hobart: 1,314 - Only started taking international arrivals April/May & June 21, was 0 for the 12 months before that.
• Melbourne: 81,570 - Took 0 in during Aug/Sep/Oct 2020 when they had their outbreak
• Perth: 48,243
• Sydney: 245, 951 - nearly 50% of all international arrivals, and almost as much as every other city combined

But you keep kicking back with the AFL grand final and the door closed to keep the boogey man out, all the while with a hospital system unable to cope with baseload cases without having to cancel elective surgeries. I'm sure your State Daddy has got it under control.

I used the "Hitler" remark regards the absolute control both McGowan and Queen P possess, hopefully they would look to actually achieve something tangible and with long term vision.
That same absolute control could also be used negatively, don't expect it to be but lets wait and see.

The deeper aspects of Herr Hitlers activities never even crossed my mind, I am surprised it crossed the minds of others.

It comes down to whether you believe Delta can be eliminated, I don't believe it can be, yes for now WA is in an envious position but I expect Delta will move through all of Australia - just the nature of the beast.
The challenge will be when Delta lets loose in WA and the degree to which the State Government has prepared.

As for the GF circumstances dictate it cannot be held in Vic, hopefully will be a great game at a great stadium in front of a capacity crowd. Enjoy! :ok:

Cheers.

Won in landslide as he kept covid out , lost in landslide when state gets caught out when delta cases explode and WA unprepared and health systems fail ? It’s only a matter of time .

Who knows what next election will bring, but he is the leader we need right now. Plus we have almost no opposition.

Show me a state or territory that doesn't have a health system teetering on the brink of being overwhelmed? All the more reason not to have to accept Gladys and Clive's infected hordes to come here right now.

Not pulling our weight? We've had more international arrivals in hotel quarantine per capita than NSW. We have sent medical staff over East to help. We have helped the contact tracers. We been able, due to being covid free, to keep on digging up rocks to keep the Australian economy afloat. We have had to manage infected ship crews coming to collect those rocks. We haven't allowed infected drug dealers to travel from the cities to Aboriginal communities. We have a thriving tourism sector, the main problem here being staff shortages to deal with demand.

Comparisons with Hitler show total ignorance of history and to many are very offensive. No genocide is happening here. We haven;t had a Covid death for about 18 months. It is two Eastern states that are presiding over the deaths of minorities. Not WA.

We watch the situations unfold over East in horror and disbelief. Most of us have loved ones over there and it is very worrying. Nobody I know is gloating. The NSW situation is a result of the premier's ego, not good management.

For a people that don’t care what people think about them, Western Australians spend a lot of time talking about what people think about them. :rolleyes:

I think he won in a landslide more because there lacked any opposition. Harvey quit leadership in Nov 2020 leaving poor Zac to fight the March election. He conceded defeat even before Election Day. The libs policies were a shambles and their costings laughable. Even die hard liberal voters were dismayed.

The libs never would have won, but they may have been able to retain a few more seats to help keep labor in check. Labor is now unassailable for probably the next 2 elections and McGowan beyond reproach. I don’t think we are talking Nazi Germany here, but McGowan and Labor and Sheriff Dawson certainly don’t need to worry too much about any opposition scrutiny. No better example than the utterly incompetent Roger Cook, he’s not going anywhere despite putting the COVID free health system on its knees.

So it's OK to come onto Pprune and slag off the sandgropers and then roll your eyes when we exercise a right to reply?
Last time I looked this forum was for all Australians. How about start your own exclusive Eastern States forum if you don't want any comments from West Australians?

Righto we get WA ppl love Lord McGowen, I don’t know why he has not done anything to better WA really, delta is closer than you think maybe AFL grand final will be the seeding event. Anna stay away is quietly $hitting herself I would bet. Father’s Day yesterday who knows how many infectious NSW ppl that gave hugs and those naughty NRL players and to top it off as the CMO said today the biggest hole are truckies. Tick tok, enjoy Xmas lockdown NSW and VIC will have a beer for you all in the pub.

You honestly thought that people's primary association with Hitler was the proportion of votes he got, and the lack of opposition in German domestic politics in the early 1930s? And not the Holocaust and Second World War? Doesn't sound particularly believable to me....:rolleyes:

Delta has been in Fremantle harbour for weeks, doesn't mean we have to let it into the community.
Not all credit goes to the politicians, it also goes to the citizens, most of whom are doing the right thing to keep us all safe; and the medical professionals and quarantine staff. We don't have massive protests...because there is nothing to protest about or maybe we are busy getting on with our normal, unrestricted daily lives.

I worry about the level of education in this country. That anyone at all can cherry pick Hitler and the Nazi regime and try to apply it to todays Australian politicians defies belief.
Those who do not learn the lessons of history etc etc

We know that it's only a matter of time; inevitable.

It's just that we'd rather not welcome it with open arms as Beryl seems to want to do.