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ozbiggles 17th Jun 2020 00:36

And looking at the heat the darling of the media Jacinda is taking today in NZ for 2 compassionate UK travers with Covid getting loose in the country makes it a good case study in bad politics in letting people back in. Sad but true.

Ragnor 17th Jun 2020 01:54


Originally Posted by Pundit (Post 10812882)
Ragnor the protestors have nothing to do with the current increasing numbers. Their impact is still 7 days away


Yes they do. 9 of them are confirmed as being at the protest, the the new cases who are now testing positive can as per medical guidelines infect 2.5 people. A second wave is imminent now.

ozbiggles 17th Jun 2020 02:31

Where is the figure of 9 coming from? I have heard of two so far. I don’t support protesting in the middle of a pandemic and I suspect it will lead to a worldwide increase but I haven’t heard the number of 9 from Melbourne? Regardless it will further slow down getting flying again.

currawong 17th Jun 2020 09:49

Well, not this border...

"Australians hoping for an overseas holiday have had their hopes dashed, with the Tourism Minister saying the nation's border is likely to stay closed until next year."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-...tions/12365978

kev2002 17th Jun 2020 21:36

Tasman might be an exception

https://i.stuff.co.nz/travel/1218661...hope-for-kiwis

Icarus2001 18th Jun 2020 01:54


"Australians hoping for an overseas holiday have had their hopes dashed, with the Tourism Minister saying the nation's border is likely to stay closed until next year."


More catastrophising from the unhelpful media. If you read his actual words it is far from settled.

Asked whether that meant the border would not open until next year, he said, "I think that is more likely the case".
The reality is he just does not know.

ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE 18th Jun 2020 02:16

If the Victorian numbers keep going the way they are, we might not even get state borders open. The various premiers have given themselves enough wiggle room to keep them closed as the proposed dates are only tentative.

michigan j 18th Jun 2020 02:53


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10812910)
Yes they do. 9 of them are confirmed as being at the protest, the the new cases who are now testing positive can as per medical guidelines infect 2.5 people. A second wave is imminent now.

I do hope they didnt go to the Westfields...

ozbiggles 18th Jun 2020 03:46

Seems money has now trumped the state premiers passion for health and their minders have instructed them the voters majority is now in favour of opening borders. SA, NT next QLD all fighting for tourists and uni students. All a very political game. WA will try and be tough but collapse
I’m particularly enjoying the bit when they say we will open on 17 July because then we will be able to have x weeks of seeing transmission rates. So if they go up on 16 July like they are going to keep their borders shut? You can predict what they will do pretty easy, even the when, which is about 24 hours after the first state moves.

Chad Gates 18th Jun 2020 04:18

If you need any more proof this state border closure is about politics and nothing more, the WA transport minister Rita Saffioti has just blamed the slow uptake of people using Perth public transport on "mixed messages from over East". Yes, that's right, people not getting on buses in Perth is Sydney and Melbourne's fault. WTF!

The Banjo 18th Jun 2020 04:44

8.1 percent unemployment in WA might rattle the cage a little...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-...ation/12368608

ExtraShot 18th Jun 2020 06:01


Originally Posted by The Banjo (Post 10813935)
8.1 percent unemployment in WA might rattle the cage a little...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-...ation/12368608


Dont forget the 3.5 million people on Jobkeeper are recorded as employed.

Come end of September when the payments stop, these unemployment rates will most likely get seriously ugly.

f1yhigh 18th Jun 2020 08:10

Are job keeper payments being extended for certain industries?

Ragnor 18th Jun 2020 09:12

No! Deloitte has approach the Gov already to extend Jobkeeper for VA employees. September is when it will end.

unexplained blip 19th Jun 2020 09:50


Originally Posted by ozbiggles (Post 10812917)
Where is the figure of 9 coming from? I have heard of two so far. I don’t support protesting in the middle of a pandemic and I suspect it will lead to a worldwide increase but I haven’t heard the number of 9 from Melbourne? Regardless it will further slow down getting flying again.

Three is the number I have read (for Victoria) but also it is being said that they didn't catch it at the protest. If that second part is true then it is trouble with a capital T. It means that out of 20000 people who attended, three at random were COVID positive. Extrapolating that, you have 750 Vic cases existing in the wild over the past fortnight. Bang. So I do hope the three +ve cases not being caught at the rally is bollocks. Having one in 20000 turning up with COVID can be put down to chance and a weighted coin, and not down to an indicator of a skyrocketing infection level since restrictions were first relaxed.

currawong 19th Jun 2020 11:24

This graphic from another thread, posted by exfocx is worth a look

https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2562261/

ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE 19th Jun 2020 12:39


Originally Posted by unexplained blip (Post 10815198)
Three is the number I have read (for Victoria) but also it is being said that they didn't catch it at the protest. If that second part is true then it is trouble with a capital T. It means that out of 20000 people who attended, three at random were COVID positive. Extrapolating that, you have 750 Vic cases existing in the wild over the past fortnight. Bang. So I do hope the three +ve cases not being caught at the rally is bollocks. Having one in 20000 turning up with COVID can be put down to chance and a weighted coin, and not down to an indicator of a skyrocketing infection level since restrictions were first relaxed.

with the amount of testing going on I doubt (and hope) this is the case. For some perspective, 15,000 tests yesterday and they found 4 community transmission cases (the rest attributed to contacts with known cases/hotel quarantine), and that is considered a bad day.

patty50 19th Jun 2020 15:18

One thing to keep in mind is the false positives that seem to be coming out which get retracted or the cases that go from unknown contact to known days later as happened in NSW with one of the weekend cases. It makes the news that day but the retractions donít.

A false positive rate of <1 in 10000 is pretty good.
They are testing huge numbers so obviously there will be hiccoughs, most of the world would consider these utterly inconsequential. We saw the consequences here after the sad death in Queensland.

Ragnor 20th Jun 2020 06:56

I agree, people need to listen and take direction. Stay home letís not ruin the hard work everyone has done in all industry's. Now is not the time to be selfish and think you can do what you like.

Buster Hyman 20th Jun 2020 07:08


Originally Posted by angryrat (Post 10815852)
Todayís figures from Victoria are concerning to say the least. 25 new cases and only 1 of those a returned traveller. Iím glad to see the Victorian government is being proactive but itís hard to govern idiots. Reports of people being told to isolate and then going to work or family gatherings only to infect people. Some of those had just been tested, SMH.

Victorians are risking a second wave and while Iíve been against extended border closures, surely if Victorians canít get their act together, there could be a case for border restrictions for Victorians. It would be a shame for the rest of the nation to be restricted or infected because one state doesnít get their act together.

Some, not all of us. My eldest had to get a test & we all sat tight until the negative results came back but you're right, some selfish clowns walk amongst us. We all laughed at China Dans retort to SA when they threatened to keep us out, but who's having the last "laugh" now?

ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE 20th Jun 2020 07:12


Originally Posted by angryrat (Post 10815852)
Todayís figures from Victoria are concerning to say the least. 25 new cases and only 1 of those a returned traveller. Iím glad to see the Victorian government is being proactive but itís hard to govern idiots. Reports of people being told to isolate and then going to work or family gatherings only to infect people. Some of those had just been tested, SMH.

Victorians are risking a second wave and while Iíve been against extended border closures, surely if Victorians canít get their act together, there could be a case for border restrictions for Victorians. It would be a shame for the rest of the nation to be restricted or infected because one state doesnít get their act together.

most victorians are doing the right thing and are annoyed at those who arenít. Iíd be happy if the borders remain closed with Victoria for an extra month or two (whatever is required) to allow the rest of the country to open up.

Green.Dot 20th Jun 2020 09:06


Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE (Post 10815866)
most victorians are doing the right thing and are annoyed at those who arenít. Iíd be happy if the borders remain closed with Victoria for an extra month or two (whatever is required) to allow the rest of the country to open up.

And then what? In two months time the same selfish morons still wonít follow rules and we will be no better off. A free country means there is little punishment to deter these gits who donít have as much to lose as you or I. You donít need to be a rocket scientist to work out what would happen to the same people in China if they protested against the rules...

ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE 20th Jun 2020 09:35


Originally Posted by Green.Dot (Post 10815934)
And then what? In two months time the same selfish morons still wonít follow rules and we will be no better off. A free country means there is little punishment to deter these gits who donít have as much to lose as you or I. You donít need to be a rocket scientist to work out what would happen to the same people in China if they protested against the rules...

i think the hope is that Victoria can achieve a similar result as NSW if restrictions are temporarily reimposed and new cases can be kept within the capabilities of the contact tracers

ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE 20th Jun 2020 21:34

https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...11561666a19df8

even travel to NSW from Victoria may now be restricted, I really can’t see QLD and the other states opening up to Victoria now

SOPS 21st Jun 2020 02:25

Itís goodbye to open borders

PoppaJo 21st Jun 2020 02:34

Dan has just extended state of emergency in a Victoria until July 19.

normanton 21st Jun 2020 02:43

It's not enough. Shut the state down. The morons ****ed it with the protests. Now they ****ed it for the rest of us.

Ragnor 21st Jun 2020 02:56

I find it odd that Dan Andrews has dodged answering the actual cause of the increase in community transmissions. No one has or is game to mention BLM protest in fear of any retribution because Dan Andrews didnít appose the protest. He would rather blame honest familyís having a catch up as the primary cause. 20 odd extra cases a day is more than a family bbq.

normanton 21st Jun 2020 03:04

And yet he has the balls to stand in front of the media and question why anybody would want to travel to SA.

Shit, I dunno Dan? Maybe they want a holiday where the risk of catching COVID doesn't exist, or maybe they want to go visit a state who doesn't have a corrupt ****ing government.

BuzzBox 21st Jun 2020 03:43


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10816479)
I find it odd that Dan Andrews has dodged answering the actual cause of the increase in community transmissions. No one has or is game to mention BLM protest in fear of any retribution because Dan Andrews didnít appose the protest. He would rather blame honest familyís having a catch up as the primary cause. 20 odd extra cases a day is more than a family bbq.

Apparently not:


Victoria has reported 19 more coronavirus cases overnight, including clusters from a large family gathering that has spread across nine households.

One person who already had the virus has infected 11 family members after attending a family gathering in Keilor Downs in Melbourne's north-west.

In a separate case of family transmission, another member of a family in the northern suburb of Coburg has been confirmed to have the virus, bringing the number of infections in that family to 14 across multiple households.

"We have had lots of families, extended families, coming together and having lunch, dinner, other social gatherings, and people not staying home if they have got mild symptoms, and then spreading the virus to family members, who then take it to their workplace, take it to their school," Victoria's Minister for Health Jenny Mikakos told reporters on Sunday morning.
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal...0200620-p554k0

Ragnor 21st Jun 2020 05:47

Well put a shout out to a journalist, I am sure they look at this site. If one of them actually tried to do their job do a little investigating and find real origin of the last 50 cases in the last few days in Victoria I bet there will be more than what Andrews would care to admit that attended a mass gathering a few weeks ago. Pi$$ weak of Andrews to blame family’s I think, he needs to provide proof it was otherwise. His position is almost untenable now needs to be gone!

CamelSquadron 21st Jun 2020 07:26

Build a wall around Victoria.....and make it permanent....nothing good has ever come out of Victoria anyway.....:)

(in jest)

Global Aviator 21st Jun 2020 07:35


Originally Posted by CamelSquadron (Post 10816560)
Build a wall around Victoria.....and make it permanent....nothing good has ever come out of Victoria anyway.....:)

(in jest)

Well it would be a wall around Mexico... :)

Green.Dot 21st Jun 2020 09:09

Build a wall- could create some jobs- Iím in!

exfocx 21st Jun 2020 09:36


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10816519)
Well put a shout out to a journalist, I am sure they look at this site. If one of them actually tried to do their job do a little investigating and find real origin of the last 50 cases in the last few days in Victoria I bet there will be more than what Andrews would care to admit that attended a mass gathering a few weeks ago. Pi$$ weak of Andrews to blame family’s I think, he needs to provide proof it was otherwise. His position is almost untenable now needs to be gone!


A nice no evidence claim, typical of conspiracy theorists. So Dan made it up with no supporting evidence and the (Victorian) CMO & DCMO just went along with it?

Ragnor 21st Jun 2020 10:29

Wouldn’t be the first time politicians BS on anything. Just imagine blaming any of the BLM protesters.....imagine the s$it storm that would create we are in an environment now where the majority can’t speak without being punished by the minority. The total breakdown of where the cases originated does not add up and Andrews will be responsible personally for this second wave and possibly any deaths that’s why they will cover as many as they can.

I am not conspiracy theorist but I can smell a rat from a mile away.

ozbiggles 21st Jun 2020 10:47

Would it be a red rat by any chance?

aussieflyboy 21st Jun 2020 11:14

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....50ff5accb.jpeg
WA is making good progress on its border trench...

exfocx 21st Jun 2020 11:15


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10816718)
Wouldnít be the first time politicians BS on anything. Just imagine blaming any of the BLM protesters.....imagine the s$it storm that would create we are in an environment now where the majority canít speak without being punished by the minority. The total breakdown of where the cases originated does not add up and Andrews will be responsible personally for this second wave and possibly any deaths thatís why they will cover as many as they can.

I am not conspiracy theorist but I can smell a rat from a mile away.

You just can't make this stuff up! I'd suggest you remove your nose from the area where your backside is located as it's not rat you're smelling. The bolded above; on what grounds do you make that claim, your ATPL? The bit in red is just a childish rant; yeah, the majority are being discriminated, vilified and murdered by the minority. lolololol.

Seriously, use some common sense if you can get away from your bias (you want it to be BLM). The source of the infections claim is coming from the state cv-19 medical team. I've no doubt that if he was lying we'd be hearing about it.

M.Oz.G.A.

exfocx 21st Jun 2020 11:20

Aussieflyboy lolololol. WA will secede one or the other!


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