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De_flieger 31st Mar 2021 13:14


Originally Posted by minigundiplomat (Post 11019624)
My spidey senses pricked up when I read the words 'terrifying percentage'. No mention of sample size, did they study 10 people, or 10,000? Heaven forbid I should have poor memory 8 months after COVID.......

Looks like Dr Dre science.

If it's the article "Persistent symptoms up to four months after community and hospital-managed SARS-CoV-2 infection", by Darley et al, published in Medical Journal of Australia:
The study size was 78 patients, of which 9 had been hospitalised. The average age in the study group was 47 years of age. 37 of the 78 had no comorbidities, and at the time of presentation 3 of the 78 were classed as obese.

There were a range of measurements taken to assess the impact across various organ systems, with a substantial proportion of people experiencing ongoing problems across a range of organs, including some with cognitive impairment or ongoing loss of smell, indicating some sort of nerve damage. The authors acknowledged that their study is limited in its ability to generalise across a broader population, as their sample was largely drawn from a highly educated, wealthier predominantly white population with lower rates of chronic co-morbidity - ie the results found in the study are actually likely to be better than those found in a poorer, sicker group with worse healthcare or the general population.

If anyone can point me in the direction of a more recent or different paper, as the journalist keeps referring to an 8 month timeframe, that would be appreciated.

601 31st Mar 2021 13:22


new cases in Queensland that had been previously immunised,
Yeah, the day before.

Icarus2001 31st Mar 2021 23:02

So the Brisbane lock down ends at 12:00pm today. Great news. Now how long until the other states lift restrictions on entry?

minigundiplomat 31st Mar 2021 23:17

'Easter is good to go'

Apart from all the cancellations over the last 3 days.

LapSap 31st Mar 2021 23:34


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 11020110)
So the Brisbane lock down ends at 12:00pm today. Great news. Now how long until the other states lift restrictions on entry?

who gives a rats.
they can all stay home as far as Iím concerned.
just another weekend

Ladloy 31st Mar 2021 23:52


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 11020110)
So the Brisbane lock down ends at 12:00pm today. Great news. Now how long until the other states lift restrictions on entry?

Feds made it hotspot. So I guess after that is reversed?

wheels_down 1st Apr 2021 01:28

Old Mate out west will wait 28 days so 30th April probably

brokenagain 1st Apr 2021 05:04


Old Mate out west will wait 28 days so 30th April probably
Who wants to visit WA anyway? Itís full of red dirt and bogans. Let them keep it.

t_cas 1st Apr 2021 05:42

So, in essence Queen P has successfully obliterated plans over easter for many Queenslanders going interstate. Some may have taken a chance and not cancelled their bookings. For those that did, any efforts to rebook are now met with huge increases in costs.
It is ok though. QLD is "good to go" over Easter......... as long as you do not leave QLD!
Effectively shuttered Queenslanders in to holidaying in QLD all the while keeping the tourists from down south heading to all but the "hotspots"......
Perhaps she is smarter than the average bear.

blubak 1st Apr 2021 06:40


Originally Posted by t_cas (Post 11020209)
So, in essence Queen P has successfully obliterated plans over easter for many Queenslanders going interstate. Some may have taken a chance and not cancelled their bookings. For those that did, any efforts to rebook are now met with huge increases in costs.
It is ok though. QLD is "good to go" over Easter......... as long as you do not leave QLD!
Effectively shuttered Queenslanders in to holidaying in QLD all the while keeping the tourists from down south heading to all but the "hotspots"......
Perhaps she is smarter than the average bear.

See if she has a plan to help recover the $35m lost in accomodation bookings,oh i forgot,she looks after her 'queenslanders'!

galdian 1st Apr 2021 07:04


Originally Posted by blubak (Post 11020240)
See if she has a plan to help recover the $35m lost in accomodation bookings,oh i forgot,she looks after her 'queenslanders'!

No she expects the Feds to cough up for her actions - after all it was THEM who destroyed the QLD tourism with the rolling border closures at whim. Naughty, nasty, bad Feds! :=

Anyone who ever thought it was the QLD Queen who closed the borders hasn't been spun the spin adequately....so far. :p

minigundiplomat 1st Apr 2021 08:51

Just watched Jeanette Young on the news and you couldnít make this sh1t up.

Apparently the rest of the state are wearing masks because Ďpeople in Brisbane are now free to travel across the stateí. So thereís enough of a risk that people 1600km away need to wear a mask, but not enough to keep potential spreaders in one place. There is no pretence at logic or policy anymore.

Car RAMROD 1st Apr 2021 09:53


Originally Posted by minigundiplomat (Post 11020321)
Just watched Jeanette Young on the news and you couldnít make this sh1t up.

Apparently the rest of the state are wearing masks because Ďpeople in Brisbane are now free to travel across the stateí. So thereís enough of a risk that people 1600km away need to wear a mask, but not enough to keep potential spreaders in one place. There is no pretence at logic or policy anymore.


but they know voters will remember being locked up for Easter 2021 at the next election.
so no lockdown extension.

happy when the others were being locked down, not so much themselves.

KRviator 1st Apr 2021 13:21


Originally Posted by brokenagain (Post 11020200)
Who wants to visit WA anyway? Itís full of red dirt and bogans. Let them keep it.

Some of us do have jobs there...Signed on for duty last night and was immediately asked "Would you consider remaining in WA for your RDO's just in case McGowan locks out NSW as well?". UUhh, yeah, naahhh. I'd sooner lose a months pay than give McGoose the satisfaction. And now, if you'll excuse me, I need to check in for my flight home tomorrow night....

As it is, they've lost all bar a couple of the Queensland contingent elected to stay in WA, the others flew home and will take their chances about getting back in. Our families are worth more than a few $$ and given how most of the FIFO crew have been screwed over, both by WA and their respective payroll departments with various living allowances there's no love lost there anymore so it'll be interesting to see how many shifts aren't able to be covered in the next month or two, particularly if McGoose does include NSW in his latest tantrum.

Ladloy 1st Apr 2021 20:57


Originally Posted by t_cas (Post 11020209)
So, in essence Queen P has successfully obliterated plans over easter for many Queenslanders going interstate. Some may have taken a chance and not cancelled their bookings. For those that did, any efforts to rebook are now met with huge increases in costs.
It is ok though. QLD is "good to go" over Easter......... as long as you do not leave QLD!
Effectively shuttered Queenslanders in to holidaying in QLD all the while keeping the tourists from down south heading to all but the "hotspots"......
Perhaps she is smarter than the average bear.


Didn't the exact same thing happen at Christmas but in PPRUNE's beloved state of NSW?

galdian 2nd Apr 2021 00:17


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11020732)
Didn't the exact same thing happen at Christmas but in PPRUNE's beloved state of NSW?

Yeah Gladys closed things down when she had to, Queen P at whim so she could spew "saved all the Queenslander you must vote for me" as her re-election propaganda.

IMHO one's been a pretty good leader - not perfect but no-one ever is - regards CV19, the other couldn't find the word in the dictionary.
Let you work out which is which.


Keg 2nd Apr 2021 00:46


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11020732)
Didn't the exact same thing happen at Christmas but in PPRUNE's beloved state of NSW?

The Ďexactí same thing? You mean a lockdown of the entirety of Sydney for a handful of cases? No, it didnít. We did lockdown about 300K people for a super spreader event that seeded 30 people on one day though. Meanwhile the rest of Sydney was pretty sensible and got on with life.

Icarus2001 2nd Apr 2021 05:06

I have never really had an opinion either way about Gladys but it does seem she has the most practical approach of all the state leaders. I did like her comment about NSW residents not having to worry about being locked out of their home state. Gave them confidence to travel.

Ladloy 2nd Apr 2021 06:21


Originally Posted by Keg (Post 11020820)
The Ďexactí same thing? You mean a lockdown of the entirety of Sydney for a handful of cases? No, it didnít. We did lockdown about 300K people for a super spreader event that seeded 30 people on one day though. Meanwhile the rest of Sydney was pretty sensible and got on with life.

Sydney was declared a hotspot and tourism came to a standstill from Christmas for a month, lockdown was over early to facilitate the holiday season but the damage was done. Just like the current Queensland situation.

blubak 2nd Apr 2021 07:05


Originally Posted by galdian (Post 11020812)
Yeah Gladys closed things down when she had to, Queen P at whim so she could spew "saved all the Queenslander you must vote for me" as her re-election propaganda.

IMHO one's been a pretty good leader - not perfect but no-one ever is - regards CV19, the other couldn't find the word in the dictionary.
Let you work out which is which.

I heard queen P speaking this morning,of course she was praising herself up but 1 thing she said really intrigued me
'If u feel sick or have any symptoms,STAY HOME & GET TESTED'!
I thought 1 had to go to a testing site to get tested but obviously not in queen P land,she didnt give the number to call though🙊

Keg 2nd Apr 2021 08:20


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11020909)
Sydney was declared a hotspot and tourism came to a standstill from Christmas for a month, lockdown was over early to facilitate the holiday season but the damage was done. Just like the current Queensland situation.

Those of us not on the northern beaches were largely unaffected by the lockdown. That other states were complete numpties and closed their borders to people from communities with no community transmission (like my relatives from Wagga who were trying to get to Brisbane) is not an issue with NSW.

So yes, people on the northern beaches had to change their travel plans. Thatís still better than having the entirety of Sydney having to change their plans such as occurred with the Brisbane lock down.

SOPS 2nd Apr 2021 09:09

I have a question. I thought that anyone coming to Australia had to have a negative COVID test before they departed from an overseas country. ?
if this is the case, why are all these people arriving and being tested positive for Covid?

wheels_down 2nd Apr 2021 09:33

The tennis charters especially had negative tests on departure but positive on arrival. The time between these two tests is still quite a while when factoring in these are ultra long haul missions.

That happened to a International Crew member last week. Negative before signon but arrived here positive.

jrfsp 2nd Apr 2021 10:52

We've had the first case of blood clotting today from the AZ vaccine. While insignificant in number, doesn't do much for public confidence.

Considering its basically the only vaccine we have signed up for (minus a small amount of Pfizer), TGA will be under huge pressure reverse its backing. Lots of european countries have limited its use in under 60s. We dont have that choice, i do think public uptake would be higher if another vaccines were offered

Slippery_Pete 2nd Apr 2021 11:55


We've had the first case of blood clotting today from the AZ vaccine.
What a load of sh**.

What weíve had is someone who had a vaccine also develop a blood clot... and at this stage, no scientifically proven link between the two.

Letís stick to science, rather than hysteria.

galdian 2nd Apr 2021 11:56


Originally Posted by jrfsp (Post 11021053)
We've had the first case of blood clotting today from the AZ vaccine. While insignificant in number, doesn't do much for public confidence.

Considering its basically the only vaccine we have signed up for (minus a small amount of Pfizer), TGA will be under huge pressure reverse its backing. Lots of european countries have limited its use in under 60s. We dont have that choice, i do think public uptake would be higher if another vaccines were offered

...until SOMETHING pops up to bring any other vaccine into question.
Won't happen/can't happen? Why did it happen to the AZ vaccine?

One person. Try and learn what the problem was and adapt/improve. One person! :ugh:

Contrary to some apparrent opinions the sky is not falling. :ok:

noclue 2nd Apr 2021 13:02

Can’t you also develop blood clots flying long haul?

smiling monkey 2nd Apr 2021 13:25


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11020994)
I have a question. I thought that anyone coming to Australia had to have a negative COVID test before they departed from an overseas country. ?
if this is the case, why are all these people arriving and being tested positive for Covid?

Because it may take 10 to 14 days to develop symptoms. That's why they need to quarantine for that long when they arrive Australia, even after a negative test result before departure.

Car RAMROD 2nd Apr 2021 14:53


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11020994)
I have a question. I thought that anyone coming to Australia had to have a negative COVID test before they departed from an overseas country. ?
if this is the case, why are all these people arriving and being tested positive for Covid?

people getting dodgy (as in counterfeit, not false) proof of a negative test before departing?

already heard that there’s concern over counterfeit vaccination documentation.

compressor stall 2nd Apr 2021 20:34

Yes there was a problem with dodgy counterfeit certificates in Dubai a couple of months ago. And Iím sure in many other places too. Also, testing around the world is done in different ways, none seem as thorough as Australia. From personal experience, some countries use one nostril jab only, others do the 2 nostril and throat but are way less vigorous (deep) than here, so false negatives are more probable. But the more likely reason is that, as SM says, all a test does is say youíre not positive at the time of the test. The incubation period is at least 10 days in some people may not show a positive between infection date and symptoms (if any)..

compressor stall 2nd Apr 2021 20:44


Originally Posted by jrfsp (Post 11021053)
We've had the first case of blood clotting today from the AZ vaccine. While insignificant in number, doesn't do much for public confidence.

Considering its basically the only vaccine we have signed up for (minus a small amount of Pfizer), TGA will be under huge pressure reverse its backing. Lots of european countries have limited its use in under 60s. We dont have that choice, i do think public uptake would be higher if another vaccines were offered

no we didn’t. We had someone who had the AZ vaccine and had a blood clot.

A pilot friend in mid 40s sadly had a blood clot 2 weeks ago. Perfect health prior. He hadn’t had any COVID vaccine jab, but was joking with the docs how he’d be front page of the paper if he had.

cynphil 2nd Apr 2021 20:58

Although it’s interesting that there hasn’t been reports of blood clotting with the Pfizer vaccine, it appears from reports just the AZ vaccine!!

dr dre 3rd Apr 2021 00:39


Originally Posted by noclue (Post 11021115)
Canít you also develop blood clots flying long haul?

You can also develop blood clots from taking birth control pills. 0.3 to 1% risk of clots on the pill, which is far, far, far higher than the reported risk of clots from the AZ vaccine which haven't been proven to have a causal link yet. No one panics about young women taking the pill to this extent.

A lot of the cases in Europe happened in young women of reproductive age who could possibly have been on the pill.

30,000 Australians develop blood clots each year. 3% of the public have received a vaccine. Which means on average about 15 Australians who have been vaccinated already should develop a blood clot within a week after being vaccinated.

Foxxster 3rd Apr 2021 03:40

If you want official data on reaction from both astra and Pfizer vaccines on a large scale, here is the UK data.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...card-reporting

Icarus2001 3rd Apr 2021 04:10

There are 159 active cases of Covid 19 in Australia. When will we stop calling it a pandemic?

https://www.health.gov.au/news/healt...-and-territory

Fonz121 3rd Apr 2021 04:12

There are 30,000 blood clots in Australia in any given year. During the year where we will be vaccinating a large percentage of the population, I’m sure there will be plenty of blood clots in people who also happened to have had the vaccine. Doesn’t mean anything.

Troo believer 3rd Apr 2021 06:52

In 2019 prior to any COVID there were 250 deaths due to influenza in Australia. Was there a need for lockdowns, border closures, or daily briefings from politicians? NO. At what point do we accept that life has some risk attached to it and we re evaluate this current chicken little stance and get on with life? Imagine that contact tracing and snap lockdowns were used to manage a flu? It wouldn’t be tolerated yet here we are still being managed to the point of irrelevance by bureaucrats and politicians over this “Pandemic” that doesn’t exist. COVID disease is worse than the flu don’t get me wrong but with vaccination and heard immunity it will become just another bloody lurgy. The chance of someone becoming severely ill or dying from it will be statistically similar to that of the flu if not less than.

The CDC has just announced that international travellers from the USA, that have been completely vaccinated and waited the minimum time from their last vaccination, are free to travel. Upon return to the USA there is now no longer a requirement to quarantine or self isolate. I wonder how long we will have to wait for similar mature policy to evolve or will we continue to be treated as the diseased, not to be trusted. In the next few weeks most Australian based international crew will have been fully vaccinated. Will Australia treat us the same way as the CDC treat their crew? I think not.

Professor Whitty from the UK gives any disease and societal impositions context.
.

Stick Flying 3rd Apr 2021 07:14


Originally Posted by cynphil (Post 11021312)
Although itís interesting that there hasnít been reports of blood clotting with the Pfizer vaccine, it appears from reports just the AZ vaccine!!

There have been Thrombosis events reported after administering the Pfizer vaccine.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...ysis_Print.pdf

Alas, that doesn't suit the narrative of those that are reporting the AZ statistics so they conveniently omit those details. It must be made patently clear, at this stage these events are currently mere statistics. There is currently no traceable link that the vaccine's have resulted in the clotting. I'd like to hope that the scientists are furiously investigating whether it is causal or coincidence.

dr dre 3rd Apr 2021 07:37


Originally Posted by Troo believer (Post 11021476)
At what point do we accept that life has some risk attached to it and we re evaluate this current chicken little stance and get on with life?

You've answered that question yourself in your own post:


COVID disease is worse than the flu don’t get me wrong but with vaccination and heard (herd) immunity it will become just another bloody lurgy.

ScepticalOptomist 3rd Apr 2021 09:43


Originally Posted by Fonz121 (Post 11021441)
There are 30,000 blood clots in Australia in any given year. During the year where we will be vaccinating a large percentage of the population, Iím sure there will be plenty of blood clots in people who also happened to have had the vaccine. Doesnít mean anything.

Doesnít suit the narrative though - this kind of logic will never be allowed! :)


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