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SHVC 14th Mar 2021 10:21

Yes, if this were two weeks ago hard border would of been raised over 1 case. ppl landing from NSW or QLD just being told they have to go into hotel gaol. McGowen is definitely a goose.

neville_nobody 14th Mar 2021 11:10

Looks like the voters of WA have been duped.

WingNut60 14th Mar 2021 11:46


Originally Posted by neville_nobody (Post 11008296)
Looks like the voters of WA have been duped.

Still wearing those shite-coloured glasses I see.

SOPS 14th Mar 2021 11:55

I don’t get it. The ‘ security guard’ that has sparked the latest out break in NSW was working a 2 different hotels, PLUS he has a full time office job. I thought this stuff had been stopped, and they were only allowed one job. Or have I missed something ??

WingNut60 14th Mar 2021 12:15


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11008324)
I don’t get it. The ‘ security guard’ that has sparked the latest out break in NSW was working a 2 different hotels, PLUS he has a full time office job. I thought this stuff had been stopped, and they were only allowed one job. Or have I missed something ??

Pleeeeeeeeeeeease. Questioning of NSW ist verboten.
Just move along. Nothing to be seen here.

blubak 14th Mar 2021 19:56


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11008324)
I don’t get it. The ‘ security guard’ that has sparked the latest out break in NSW was working a 2 different hotels, PLUS he has a full time office job. I thought this stuff had been stopped, and they were only allowed one job. Or have I missed something ??

I asked the same thing yesterday(post 3960).
I didnt think they could work at more then 1 workplace?
No government can monitor their workers 24 hours a day but if the rules have been broken by this guy an explanation is needed,not an excuse!
The people working in these hotels need to take responsibility for their actions,hopefully this doesnt turn into something we dont need or want right now.

cloudsurfng 14th Mar 2021 20:37


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11008324)
I don’t get it. The ‘ security guard’ that has sparked the latest out break in NSW was working a 2 different hotels, PLUS he has a full time office job. I thought this stuff had been stopped, and they were only allowed one job. Or have I missed something ??

"outbreak"? Its ONE case so far. Hardly an outbreak. Your description has just shown what brainwashing will do. The multiple jobs thing is bullshit. Should not be allowed. Yes, the west are stupid. So are the North, South, East and middle. If there's one thing this shit has shown me, it is what a bunch of dumbasses Australians really are. 'Baaaaaaaaaa'. F*&king morons.

jrfsp 15th Mar 2021 01:07

It seems to have gone unnoticed here, but as of today, all borders are open unrestricted across the country.

Lets see how long it lasts...

Chronic Snoozer 15th Mar 2021 01:27


Originally Posted by jrfsp (Post 11008711)
It seems to have gone unnoticed here, but as of today, all borders are open unrestricted across the country.

Lets see how long it lasts...

A day after the WA election. How ironic. Now the WA CHO is talking to the media about 'hotspots' all of a sudden.

WA Chief Health Officer

But despite this: Federally controlled travel bubble with NZ

WA does this: The travel bubble between Australia and New Zealand is managed by the Commonwealth Government, and Western Australia is not included in this travel bubble.

layman 15th Mar 2021 02:27

“Outbreak of one case”

Italy went from 1 case to 170,000 in 6 weeks; New York from 12 to 200,000 in less than 7 weeks.

We’re better prepared now but it can very quickly get away from us.

Probably not quite to our standard of medical care but, at the beginning of this year, Sri Lanka went from <10/day to nearly 1,000/day in a matter of weeks.

1A_Please 15th Mar 2021 03:28


Originally Posted by layman (Post 11008726)
“Outbreak of one case”

Italy went from 1 case to 170,000 in 6 weeks; New York from 12 to 200,000 in less than 7 weeks.

We’re better prepared now but it can very quickly get away from us.

Probably not quite to our standard of medical care but, at the beginning of this year, Sri Lanka went from <10/day to nearly 1,000/day in a matter of weeks.

If we are not able to handle a small outbreak now without resorting to a full lockdown, the responsible state government should resign. Massive amounts have been spent on contact-tracing protocols that use a 3 ring approach to quarantine any potential outbreak. State Governments need to accept that a small outbreak does not constitute failure; it is reality. Even Victoria should be able to handle an outbreak of 30 to 50 cases now without panic and lockdown.

krismiler 15th Mar 2021 05:26

Discussion is going on about a travel bubble with Singapore by July.

https://simpleflying.com/australia-s...travel-bubble/

Thailand is looking at no quarantine for vaccinated travellers around the same time.

The door may be slowly starting to crack open,


ScepticalOptomist 15th Mar 2021 08:53


Originally Posted by 1A_Please (Post 11008737)
If we are not able to handle a small outbreak now without resorting to a full lockdown, the responsible state government should resign. Massive amounts have been spent on contact-tracing protocols that use a 3 ring approach to quarantine any potential outbreak. State Governments need to accept that a small outbreak does not constitute failure; it is reality. Even Victoria should be able to handle an outbreak of 30 to 50 cases now without panic and lockdown.

Exactly right!

KRviator 16th Mar 2021 00:28


Blood clots found in 37 people out of 17 million recipients of AstraZeneca vaccine
A British virologist says international concerns about the AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine causing blood clots must be put in perspective.

Associate professor Sterghios Moschos says 17 million people have received the AstraZeneca jab so far and blood clots have been found in just 37 recipients.

10 European nations have now suspended the AstraZeneca rollout, over Norwegian concerns about blood clots. Source
I'm curious...

If 1 or 2 cases in NSW/Vic/SA is enough for WA to reintroduce their hard border what will be a sufficient number of cases for WA to halt the AZ vaccine rollout due to possible adverse side effects?
After all, 1 case in NSW is 1:8,500,000 people. Even two cases is 1:4,250,000. Call it 10 cases and that's definitely grounds for closing the WA border innit? So that's 1:850,000.

However blood clots have been reported in 37 people from 17,000,000 vaccinated. That's 1:460,000.

Reckon the WA CHO will "act with an abundance of caution" and call a stop to the AZ vaccine rollout? After, it needs to be seen in perspective. Can't go risking the health of their state from a couple of cases in a state of over 8 million, but potentially fatal clotting issues with a risk an order of magnitude higher?? No wuckka's mate!

WingNut60 16th Mar 2021 01:11


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11009472)
I'm curious...

If 1 or 2 cases in NSW/Vic/SA is enough for WA to reintroduce their hard border what will be a sufficient number of cases for WA to halt the AZ vaccine rollout due to possible adverse side effects?
After all, 1 case in NSW is 1:8,500,000 people. Even two cases is 1:4,250,000. Call it 10 cases and that's definitely grounds for closing the WA border innit? So that's 1:850,000.

However blood clots have been reported in 37 people from 17,000,000 vaccinated. That's 1:460,000.

Reckon the WA CHO will "act with an abundance of caution" and call a stop to the AZ vaccine rollout? After, it needs to be seen in perspective. Can't go risking the health of their state from a couple of cases in a state of over 8 million, but potentially fatal clotting issues with a risk an order of magnitude higher?? No wuckka's mate!

Nebulous? Tenuous? One of the above.



Buster Hyman 16th Mar 2021 03:24


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11009472)
I'm curious...

If 1 or 2 cases in NSW/Vic/SA is enough for WA to reintroduce their hard border what will be a sufficient number of cases for WA to halt the AZ vaccine rollout due to possible adverse side effects?
After all, 1 case in NSW is 1:8,500,000 people. Even two cases is 1:4,250,000. Call it 10 cases and that's definitely grounds for closing the WA border innit? So that's 1:850,000.

However blood clots have been reported in 37 people from 17,000,000 vaccinated. That's 1:460,000.

Reckon the WA CHO will "act with an abundance of caution" and call a stop to the AZ vaccine rollout? After, it needs to be seen in perspective. Can't go risking the health of their state from a couple of cases in a state of over 8 million, but potentially fatal clotting issues with a risk an order of magnitude higher?? No wuckka's mate!

I think you need to draw up two sets of numbers here. One for pre-election, and one for post-election.

On a side note, does this mean that the EU will let us have our shipment of AZ now? :suspect:

Dannyboy39 16th Mar 2021 05:19

What hasn’t been said is that these countries are seemingly ignoring real world data from a country that has more experience with the vaccine than them (UK), who found that the prevalence of these clotting findings are actually less in the vaccinated population. There are also events associated with the Pfizer vaccine which seems to have been completely ignored.

The whole world seems to have got themselves into a position that no one gets sick naturally.

By stopping the rollout, they are causing unnecessary deaths.

Hasherucf 16th Mar 2021 11:52


Italy went from 1 case to 170,000 in 6 weeks; New York from 12 to 200,000 in less than 7 weeks.


Mistakes were made in early days. In NY Gov Cuomo put Covid patients in nursing homes, we wouldn't do that now.

Both are high density populations and Italy has a social structures that has multi generations under the same roof.


Ex FSO GRIFFO 16th Mar 2021 13:07

RE ' The whole world seems to have got themselves into a position that no one gets sick naturally...'

I can honestly say that ...'I used to eat a lot of 'natural foods' , until I found that most people die of 'natural causes'.....

Cheersss.... if you survive......

krismiler 16th Mar 2021 22:27

In Australia in 2018 there was a death rate of 5 women per 100 000 giving birth, and between 2009 and 2018 251 women died during pregnancy or within 42 of the end of pregnancy.

This could be reduced to zero if people stopped having children.

StudentInDebt 17th Mar 2021 05:06


Originally Posted by krismiler (Post 11010219)
In Australia in 2018 there was a death rate of 5 women per 100 000 giving birth, and between 2009 and 2018 251 women died during pregnancy or within 42 of the end of pregnancy.

This could be reduced to zero if people stopped having children.

I think it would be reduced to 0 if women stopped becoming pregnant, rather than "if people stopped having children".

Ladloy 17th Mar 2021 08:11


Originally Posted by krismiler (Post 11010219)
In Australia in 2018 there was a death rate of 5 women per 100 000 giving birth, and between 2009 and 2018 251 women died during pregnancy or within 42 of the end of pregnancy.

This could be reduced to zero if people stopped having children.

That's a terrible comparison.

SHVC 18th Mar 2021 04:05

McGoose is becoming a one man army, he is taking on the additional role of state treasurer. Becoming the u,it ate dictator.

dr dre 18th Mar 2021 04:46


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11011047)
McGoose is becoming a one man army, he is taking on the additional role of state treasurer. Becoming the u,it ate dictator.

Not that unusual at all. The WA Treasurer was usually the WA Premier until 2001. Colin Barnett also held both roles for a while. JBP did both roles in Qld for years. Since 2000 the Premier/Treasurer role has been held concurrently by one person for periods of time in NSW, SA, Tasmania, Victoria, the ACT and the NT. The current leaders of NT, ACT and Tasmania are also that respective jurisdiction's current Treasurer. In fact it's only the Federal Government in which there has usually been a separation between the roles of Premier/PM and Treasurer. You'd have to go back to 1949 when Ben Chifley was PM to find a dual PM/Treasurer.

SOPS 18th Mar 2021 09:14


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11011047)
McGoose is becoming a one man army, he is taking on the additional role of state treasurer. Becoming the u,it ate dictator.


And with the two safest Liberal seats having gone to Labor in the last coupe of hours, today, I would think your average West Australian is quite happy.

volare_737 18th Mar 2021 09:47


Originally Posted by Dannyboy39 (Post 11009549)
What hasn’t been said is that these countries are seemingly ignoring real world data from a country that has more experience with the vaccine than them (UK), who found that the prevalence of these clotting findings are actually less in the vaccinated population. There are also events associated with the Pfizer vaccine which seems to have been completely ignored.

The whole world seems to have got themselves into a position that no one gets sick naturally.

By stopping the rollout, they are causing unnecessary deaths.


haha - "The whole world seems to have got themselves into a position that no one gets sick naturally". Thats the best statement I have heard in a long time !!!! And sooooo true !!!

Capt Fathom 18th Mar 2021 10:18

Western Australia is not a State! It is a state of mind!

krismiler 18th Mar 2021 23:26

In 2020, 276 people died in road accidents in Queensland. That’s 3 every 4 days but we accept it because we can’t live without transport. Some people will die because of the vaccine, however a 100% safe vaccine won’t happen, there is a risk with any medical treatment but we accept that the benefits outweigh the risks and go ahead.

A small percentage of the population are allergic to peanuts and in severe cases that can lead to death yet peanuts are widely available with little control over their sale.

nomorecatering 19th Mar 2021 05:28

If you have a low blood platelet count, consult a GP before getting the COVID vaccine.

ITP is quite common.

COVID can cause ITP

COVID vaccine can cause ITP in some cases. 150 out of 400 million recipients

Flu vaccine can cause ITP, so can other medicines and foods.

https://www.hematology.org/covid-19/covid-19-and-itp

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n699/rr-6\

I just wonder how the leaders and population will react when the next bad flu season hits. in 2017 4,500 people died from flu.



compressor stall 19th Mar 2021 23:03

I wouldn't call rates of less than 1 in 10,000 "quite common".

And there is a big "do you suffer form auto immune disorders" on the consent form.

Mach E Avelli 20th Mar 2021 21:39

Meanwhile back at the brains trust, the Vic Government seeks to contract more CBD quarantine hotels. YOUR taxes at work.
What is that definition of insanity again? Something about doing the same thing over & over while expecting a different outcome.

Icarus2001 21st Mar 2021 00:24

Well since Victoria is not accepting overseas arrivals who is in quarantine there?

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/v...19-p57cb0.html


jrfsp 21st Mar 2021 03:26

Back on the topic of borders, Prof Murphy said today, "hopefully international travel will be possible in 2022". They keep moving the expectations further back. In 2020, they were hopefully for 2021, now its 2022. Even then it sounds like measures will still remain. "We might think about for example reducing the length of quarantine, or more home quarantine, particularly for vaccinated people. Our risk tolerance will change over the second half of this year. I think what I've said is nobody can really predict what will happen with international borders, I'm hopeful that pretty good international travel will happen next year but it's just too early to tell because there are things we don't know about the vaccines yet."

Currently my only incentive for vaccination is the possibility of international travel - if this is still heavily restricted, I wont be going and might hold off on vaccination.

lc_461 21st Mar 2021 03:47


Originally Posted by jrfsp (Post 11013028)
Back on the topic of borders, Prof Murphy said today, "hopefully international travel will be possible in 2022". They keep moving the expectations further back. In 2020, they were hopefully for 2021, now its 2022. Even then it sounds like measures will still remain. "We might think about for example reducing the length of quarantine, or more home quarantine, particularly for vaccinated people. Our risk tolerance will change over the second half of this year. I think what I've said is nobody can really predict what will happen with international borders, I'm hopeful that pretty good international travel will happen next year but it's just too early to tell because there are things we don't know about the vaccines yet."

Currently my only incentive for vaccination is the possibility of international travel - if this is still heavily restricted, I wont be going and might hold off on vaccination.

The way I see it, the more vaccinated the population is, the more likely those making decisions will be prepared to increase their risk tolerance. Europe has ballsed up their vaccine rollout, but the UK and US are really powering ahead. The vaccine has demonstrated a very strong ability to reduce mortality and hospitalisation. If hospitals are not being overrun and citizens are not dying of covid, then the government will be forced to treat it like any other communicable disease.

The initial challenge is changing the mindset at state level. Now the election cycles have passed, there also seems to be positive noises in that area.. WA for example didn't lock out NSW last week as they have before and QLD CHO has indicated a reduced appetite for lockdowns... Haven't heard any bleatings about "Qld hospitals for Qlders' since the election.

I think we have reason for optimism in our industry.. but only if as a population in Australia we work for the greater good... ie i'm in an age bracket that is unlikely to die of Covid - but I will take either the AZ or Pfizer vaccine as soon as it is available.

Foxxster 21st Mar 2021 04:57

So you will still need to quarantine even if you have had the vaccine, and presumably by 2022, everyone or near to it, but especially the vulnerable groups will have been vaccinated. WTF is that shite. God almighty, look at the mortality rates without a vaccine, in the UK and Australia, the average age of death of covid patients is 82. It really isn’t that horrific for most people. No it really isn’t. Now add a vaccine. It becomes like the flu.

what the hell is really going on here. I understand international travel may not be viable to countries who have not vaccinated a significant proportion of their population. The UK and the US at least are well on track already to achieve that. While Europe has cocked it up for political reasons and perhaps because they want to use their own vaccine. But you would hope they would have at least all their vulnerable groups done by the end of this year.

it is all beyond ridiculous now...

zanthrus 21st Mar 2021 06:49

My tolerance for this stupidity reached zero some time ago.

I refuse to quarantine, social distance use a mask or use the tracking apps in ANY state.

Life goes on. Stuff the Govt’s and their Nazi gestapo police.

goodonyamate 21st Mar 2021 07:23


Originally Posted by zanthrus (Post 11013058)
My tolerance for this stupidity reached zero some time ago.

I refuse to quarantine, social distance use a mask or use the tracking apps in ANY state.

Life goes on. Stuff the Govt’s and their Nazi gestapo police.

sounds like every boomer I know.

Guptar 21st Mar 2021 07:29

I second Zanthrus and I'm not a boomer.

JJ 789 21st Mar 2021 08:17

I agree with Zanthrus too and I'm definitely not a boomer.

goodonyamate 21st Mar 2021 08:35

So none of you wear masks in the airport? And if you get contacted by whoever and are instructed to isolate for some reason you just won’t do it?

my comment t about boomers was simpmy in reference to the behaviours I saw from then in my area when this all kicked off. After lockdown. They were the only ones not following the guidelines. I heard a few comment how great it was as the coffee shops were emptier. Let’s not forget those two that started the northern beaches outbreak.


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