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Old 17th Jan 2024, 21:04
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That's just plain bullcrap. A steady stream of pilots is moving across to mainline from Network regularly. Why do you think people should join Rex or go to a GA company for even less money and worse conditions than the ones you reckon are so bad at Network?
Freedom and control over your career. It has always been the case forever. You can't tell me that if Network get really tight for pilots to the point of flight cancellations and you have a Mainline start date that you will be on that course. Now do you think that will do that to a Virgin, REX, GA or International applicant?
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Old 17th Jan 2024, 22:52
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That's just plain bullcrap. A steady stream of pilots is moving across to mainline from Network regularly. Why do you think people should join Rex or go to a GA company for even less money and worse conditions than the ones you reckon are so bad at Network?
No. They are not wrong.

Go ask those network pilots moving across when they first put their applications in.
Then throw in that from the moment you join a subsidiary like NAA there is an 18 month window before you can either apply or interview. (Someone else can clarify this).

Internals get held. Especially captains or check and trainers. Anyone who is in short supply will get trickled out.

Externals from Rex, VA etc have jumped hundreds of internals. Iíve seen one person leave Q Group and go elsewhere, and then reapply for QF and jumped all their internal former work colleagues by as much as two years for a QF start.
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Old 17th Jan 2024, 23:25
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Originally Posted by YeahNup
That's just plain bullcrap. A steady stream of pilots is moving across to mainline from Network regularly. Why do you think people should join Rex or go to a GA company for even less money and worse conditions than the ones you reckon are so bad at Network?
You couldnít be more wrong. Thereís pilots that have waited over five years on the internal hold, and have watched hundreds of externals from GA and REX leap-frog them because the subsidiary wonít release anyone. That reluctance is likely to worsen as the pilot shortage kicks in and bottom paying operators like NJS and NAA have big crew shortages.

You can join NAA, get two yearís experience to become competitive, get on the hold and wait another five years - total seven years.

Or you can go to Rex, do two years on the SAAB, get on the external hold, and start a month later.

I 100% stand by my comment. If you want to get into mainline, joining a subsidiary is a really crap and slow way to go about it.

Oh and if you get on the internal hold while at NAA/Link/NJS and decide to resign to speed things up, your hold file spot gets binned and you have to start the entire process again with no guarantees. Itís a gamble most arenít willing to take, and it allows the group to trap people into subsidiaries.

Of course, that whole equation changes (for pilots and for Qantas attracting and retaining pilots) if they pay subsidiaries better rather than treating them like third class citizens. Suddenly people might see value in joining a subsidiary.
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Old 18th Jan 2024, 05:48
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody
Freedom and control over your career. It has always been the case forever. You can't tell me that if Network get really tight for pilots to the point of flight cancellations and you have a Mainline start date that you will be on that course. Now do you think that will do that to a Virgin, REX, GA or International applicant?
Certainly not the way it is at the moment.
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Old 18th Jan 2024, 05:50
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Originally Posted by YeahNup
Certainly not the way it is at the moment.
Whatís your definition of ďa steady stream of pilotsĒ?
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Old 20th Jan 2024, 01:18
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Originally Posted by YeahNup
Certainly not the way it is at the moment.

Nothing like being wrong to get someone to stfu.

At least one of the Links has one individual with his hands on the Ďwho goes to mainlineí lever, and due to a forecast huge increase in pilot number, the lever is firmly in the no position. It hasnít occurred to them or QF that retention requires something attractive about the job, not continual disappointment. If you ever want to work for mainline, except for a tiny few who have made it through via a subsidiary, donít work for any of the group airlines.

Keep pushing!
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Old 20th Jan 2024, 02:27
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At least one of the Links has one individual with his hands on the Ďwho goes to mainlineí lever, and due to a forecast huge increase in pilot number, the lever is firmly in the no position. It hasnít occurred to them or QF that retention requires something attractive about the job, not continual disappointment. If you ever want to work for mainline, except for a tiny few who have made it through via a subsidiary, donít work for any of the group airlines.
I will point out that unofficially that has always been the policy. This country's industry is so small that basically QF control everyone's career whether you like it or not. In the past I am also aware of smaller operators colluding with QF to stifle Pilots leaving. Up front operators are competing but behind the scenes there is a lot of collusion. Interesting that the competition watchdog only seems to worry about pricing and not the labour market.
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Old 27th Jan 2024, 08:30
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Any news out of WA?
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Old 27th Jan 2024, 10:51
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Any news out of WA?
Not really. Member feedback is still being sorted then will be given to the company from which they will probably bless us with a position statement. Not sure how this further lengthy delay is affecting the business or staff retention but itís probably not been favourable.
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Old 28th Jan 2024, 07:31
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Thanks Wales.
Does anyone know how many Airline EBA’s are going to be negotiated in Australia in 2024?
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Old 28th Jan 2024, 09:56
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VARA New EBA Just Approved by FWA

Hi
Vara new EBA (which covers the A320/F100/B737) just signed and approved last week with FWA with substantial boosts in allowances (RDO payments which includes a RDO payments plus minimum of 4 hours productivity rate or the greater of the actual hours flown/productivity hourly rate outside the buffer/productivity hourly rate/Roster Overtime hour rate kicks in and lowered to 57.5 hours for a 4 week roster) and Salary boost with backpay and a Sign-On bonus .

And new agreement negotiations starting again shortly next month

Cheers
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Old 28th Jan 2024, 22:44
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Latest FO job advert dropped today.

Requirements are laughable.

As a First Officer with Network Aviation, you’ll have;
  • A minimum of 500 hours total aeronautical experience
  • An Australian ATPL (A) or an Australian CPL (A) with passes in all Australian ATPL Theory subjects
  • Australian Multi-Engine Aeroplane Instrument Rating with IAP 2D and 3D endorsements
  • Multi-crew Cooperation Course (MCC) or experience in a multi-crew operation
  • A current CASA Class 1 Medical
  • ICAO English Language Proficiency Level 6 on your CASA Licence
  • The ability to pass a Qantas pre-employment medical and drug and alcohol test
  • The ability to hold an Aviation Security Identification Card (ASIC)
  • A current passport with unrestricted access to all Qantas ports of call with at least 12 months validity
  • Australian citizenship or the right to work in Australia / New Zealand without restriction or sponsorship
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Old 29th Jan 2024, 01:44
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Latest FO job advert dropped today.

Requirements are laughable.
Didnít they just drop to 750hrs TT? I canít see how the drop to 500hrs is going to help widen the pool, itís like they were taking charter pilots or instructors with less than a yearís operational experience and now requiring 3 months less than that.
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Old 29th Jan 2024, 04:03
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It would also open the door for ex military pilots, mostly low hours.

Five hundred hours is a great deal more than most FOs start their first jet job with in Europe and UK. Probably SE Asia as well.
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Old 29th Jan 2024, 04:25
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Didnít they just drop to 750hrs TT? I canít see how the drop to 500hrs is going to help widen the pool, itís like they were taking charter pilots or instructors with less than a yearís operational experience and now requiring 3 months less than that.
Pretty sure it was officially 1500 TT with 500 twin. But they were interviewing and hiring people below it. Now itís official.

Imagine how stupid the 43% of yes voters feel now.

You network pilots hold the power and almost half of you are giving in and afraid of the IR bs.
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Old 29th Jan 2024, 11:14
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Imagine how stupid the 43% of yes voters feel now.
No thanks. Rather than filling my head up with crapola I’m going to think of something encouraging to say to all the pilots sticking together in the West………
Good work Network and Vara pilots, I’m going to drink half a box when you sign it up in celebration of your efforts!
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Old 29th Jan 2024, 11:55
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No thanks. Rather than filling my head up with crapola Iím going to think of something encouraging to say to all the pilots sticking together in the WestÖÖÖ
Good work Network and Vara pilots, Iím going to drink half a box when you sign it up in celebration of your efforts!
Yeah give the yes voters who caved in too quick a pat on the back. Everyone gets a medal. Hooray. Mr positive.

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Old 29th Jan 2024, 13:05
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Setting up for the 1st QF Academy Grad?
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Old 29th Jan 2024, 17:54
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Yeah give the yes voters who caved in too quick a pat on the back. Everyone gets a medal. Hooray. Mr positive.
Nah just trying to highlight that you brought up divisive stufff out of the blue. It sets the whole show back.
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Old 29th Jan 2024, 19:40
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Originally Posted by framer
No thanks. Rather than filling my head up with crapola Iím going to think of something encouraging to say to all the pilots sticking together in the WestÖÖÖ
Good work Network and Vara pilots, Iím going to drink half a box when you sign it up in celebration of your efforts!
There is no lack of support for those who have banded together, and there never will be. The 43% who folded without any significant threat to their careers donít really deserve to be applauded for their choices regardless of whether it was their right to do so or not. Voting to stop the cancer in the industry has been proven to work recently, as we have and will continue to see.



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