Network EBA
Wasn’t that a condition of the wages policy?
Below is my understanding of the wages policy. Please correct me if I am wrong in any way.
The ‘wages policy’ is just a policy that the company made. It doesn’t influence Australias economy any more than their policy around who gets to use the Business Lounge or their policy on make-up and flat-soled shoes.
The use of the word policy and the way it has been promulgated is designed to give the impression that it holds some weight. It doesn’t. It is a convenient line to trot out adnauseam….think of it as a form of gaslighting.
It can be changed at any time, in any way, that the executive management sees fit.
If 50% of the pilot workforce were about to walk out the door next month to gain a 30% pay rise, would the ‘wages policy’ be amended? Yip.
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Doesn’t JQ have a clause in their EBA stating that if other group entities get a pay increase greater than the 3% policy they get it too?
I assume it counts regardless if it’s FWA or AFAP that ‘negotiate’ it.
I assume it counts regardless if it’s FWA or AFAP that ‘negotiate’ it.
Pretty sure every work group worked this wording into their eba recently. The flight attendants have it. The engineers have it. EFA has it.
Have you seen it? I’ve heard rumours about such a thing but I’ve not seen it written in an actual EA. They are all open for viewing on the FWC website, anyone see the clause? Does it apply to a Workplace Determination or only an EA?
I think it might be part of the wage policy itself. I couldn’t easily find it but I remember getting a company email that said something about it. It was possibly invoked when the company changed the policy from 0,0,2,2 to 0,0,3,3(?) but I’d be willing to bet they’ll find it doesn’t apply under circumstances like a Fair Work determination.
“EA-covered employee groups will be negotiating for a 24-month wage freeze followed by 2% p.a. increases when their EBAs are negotiated. If, during the current round of EBA negotiations for other work groups, an EBA outcome is agreed to by another Group entity that is inconsistent with the Group Wages Policy (excluding adjustments made for legislative compliance), the Qantas Group will consult the bargaining representatives with a view to amending the wages outcome agreed to in the proposed agreement”
This is why they will not let FWC make a wages proposal. Fairwork will not limit themselves to 3%, it would match what minimum wage awards were given ~ 5%.
That’s an extra 2+% on top of over 5,000 employees who agreed to their 2 (or 3) % wage policy.
This is why they will not let FWC make a wages proposal. Fairwork will not limit themselves to 3%, it would match what minimum wage awards were given ~ 5%.
That’s an extra 2+% on top of over 5,000 employees who agreed to their 2 (or 3) % wage policy.
It defies the imagination that when inflation has been at 5% plus that Qantas actually believe that their blue collar workers (the ones at the coal face who make the place run) should actually take a pay reduction while as mentioned above they churn out record profits. If this is Joyce’s sister idea of leadership I think she failed abysmally.
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Well, it will be kind of interesting to see if the ‘independent’ FW Commissioners rule that NAA pilots are actually worth less than J* or Mainline pilots.
That will, at least, officially dial down NAA career expectations to an acceptable level of disappointment.
That will, at least, officially dial down NAA career expectations to an acceptable level of disappointment.
There seems to be a whole lot of wiggle
room in that clause which I feel means QF won’t be increasing pay in other Agreements as a result of a Fair Work determination on pay in the Network dispute.
Might be a further fight the unions will have to have. As someone mentioned above earlier, the leopard hasn’t changed its spots at Qantas, especially when it comes to matters of industrial relations.
room in that clause which I feel means QF won’t be increasing pay in other Agreements as a result of a Fair Work determination on pay in the Network dispute.
Might be a further fight the unions will have to have. As someone mentioned above earlier, the leopard hasn’t changed its spots at Qantas, especially when it comes to matters of industrial relations.
Qantas loses patience with Network Aviation pilots, heads to Fair Work Commission
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/author/robyn-ironsideQantas has run out of patience with its Network Aviation pilots, after they voted down three proposed work agreements, including two their unions had backed.
Network Aviation is Qantas’ Perth-based airline, employing over 250 pilots who operate FIFO and private air charters as well as regular scheduled flights.
In an effort to finalise their new EBA once and for all, Qantas will make an intractable bargaining application to the Fair Work Commission.
A new feature of the Fair Work Act, intractable bargaining applications, mean the FWC has the last say on the terms and conditions of employment in cases where parties cannot reach agreement.
It follows 18-months of negotiations which saw pilots stage a 24-hour strike last October.
It’s understood the “last straw” for Qantas was a new list of demands from the pilots, which would have added millions of dollars in costs to the EBA.
Qantas says it’s already offering an upfront pay increase of more than 25 per cent plus annual 3 per cent increases, new allowances and greater roster protections.
The Network Aviation pilots who fly A320-200 and Fokker 100s want to be paid on par with Qantas 737 pilots, which would amount to a 50 per cent jump in pay.
Network Aviation chief operating officer Trevor Worgan said they would ask the Fair Work Commission to arbitrate in the hope of reaching a deal.
Australian Federation of Air Pilots officials were meeting with representatives of Network Aviation on Monday to discuss the development.
Since flying resumed post-Covid-19, 90 per cent of Qantas employees covered by enterprise agreements have signed up for new ones. The airline has previously been accused of using “strong arm” tactics in negotiating new pay deals with employees.
In 2022 the Flight Attendants Association of Australia said Qantas was “putting a gun to the heads” of cabin crew to sign off on a new deal, while short haul pilots claimed the airline had threatened to outsource their jobs if they did not accept their offer.
Chief executive Vanessa Hudson, who replaced Alan Joyce last September, has vowed to take a more conciliatory approach with unions in the “spirit of co-operation”.
Qantas loses patience with Network Aviation pilots, heads to Fair Work Commission
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/author/robyn-ironsideQantas has run out of patience with its Network Aviation pilots, after they voted down three proposed work agreements, including two their unions had backed.
Network Aviation is Qantas’ Perth-based airline, employing over 250 pilots who operate FIFO and private air charters as well as regular scheduled flights.
In an effort to finalise their new EBA once and for all, Qantas will make an intractable bargaining application to the Fair Work Commission.
A new feature of the Fair Work Act, intractable bargaining applications, mean the FWC has the last say on the terms and conditions of employment in cases where parties cannot reach agreement.
It follows 18-months of negotiations which saw pilots stage a 24-hour strike last October.
It’s understood the “last straw” for Qantas was a new list of demands from the pilots, which would have added millions of dollars in costs to the EBA.
Qantas says it’s already offering an upfront pay increase of more than 25 per cent plus annual 3 per cent increases, new allowances and greater roster protections.
The Network Aviation pilots who fly A320-200 and Fokker 100s want to be paid on par with Qantas 737 pilots, which would amount to a 50 per cent jump in pay.
Network Aviation chief operating officer Trevor Worgan said they would ask the Fair Work Commission to arbitrate in the hope of reaching a deal.
Australian Federation of Air Pilots officials were meeting with representatives of Network Aviation on Monday to discuss the development.
Since flying resumed post-Covid-19, 90 per cent of Qantas employees covered by enterprise agreements have signed up for new ones. The airline has previously been accused of using “strong arm” tactics in negotiating new pay deals with employees.
In 2022 the Flight Attendants Association of Australia said Qantas was “putting a gun to the heads” of cabin crew to sign off on a new deal, while short haul pilots claimed the airline had threatened to outsource their jobs if they did not accept their offer.
Chief executive Vanessa Hudson, who replaced Alan Joyce last September, has vowed to take a more conciliatory approach with unions in the “spirit of co-operation”.
Network Aviation is Qantas’ Perth-based airline
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The Network Aviation pilots who fly A320-200 and Fokker 100s want to be paid on par with Qantas 737 pilots, which would amount to a 50 per cent jump in pay.
Remember when it was bought?
“We have reached agreement with the owners of Network Aviation to purchase the business. It presents strong growth opportunities and we will immediately look at significantly growing its fleet and its operations,” said Qantas CEO Alan Joyce.
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Advice for NAA pilots: when crewing call and ask if you can work on the day of PIA ask if there is a duty. Don't tell them you aren't willing to fly heard it's how pilots got paid on the last PIA even though they never intended to fly.
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“after they voted down three proposed work agreements, including two their unions had backed.”
which union can I ask actual backed a document twice that their own members rejected 3 times??
How can a union be soooooo out of touch with the people they are representing. Sounds like they are fighting to stay relevant with Qantas rather than their members. Good luck guys and girls. Don’t give up, keep fighting!!
which union can I ask actual backed a document twice that their own members rejected 3 times??
How can a union be soooooo out of touch with the people they are representing. Sounds like they are fighting to stay relevant with Qantas rather than their members. Good luck guys and girls. Don’t give up, keep fighting!!
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Lazy ‘journalism’ at its finest. The contract for publications appearing on Qantas Entertainment and in the lounge must be up. No comments sought from any of the unions, majorly biased language and no mention of the looming stop work action (maybe Qantas’ embedded mouthpieces have been told not to mention it- I think people might notice, though).
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The “Bargaining” system in Australia is a complete failure! Companies like Qantas have no intention to negotiate beyond what they’re prepared to give, and the current IR system just means that the parties have to be at each others’ throats for a considerable period of time before the “negotiation” heads to arbitration (circa 2011).
By the way, the FWC is made up of the “top end of town”. Don’t expect them to champion the cause of “the workers”. In 2011, there were very few changes to the status quo in the final FWD, and the pay rises mandated were exactly in accordance with Qantas’ “in stone” 3%. Plus, I’m assuming they’re all members of the Chairman’s Lounge.
Qantas has bought so many subsidiaries over the years because it allows them to play pilot groups off against each other. You could probably search threads about this here right back to 2003, when Jetstar was first brought into being. Network pilots have no chance of achieving parity with Mainline pilots when Qantas are using Network conditions as leverage over their Mainline pilots.
Good luck anyway!!
By the way, the FWC is made up of the “top end of town”. Don’t expect them to champion the cause of “the workers”. In 2011, there were very few changes to the status quo in the final FWD, and the pay rises mandated were exactly in accordance with Qantas’ “in stone” 3%. Plus, I’m assuming they’re all members of the Chairman’s Lounge.
Qantas has bought so many subsidiaries over the years because it allows them to play pilot groups off against each other. You could probably search threads about this here right back to 2003, when Jetstar was first brought into being. Network pilots have no chance of achieving parity with Mainline pilots when Qantas are using Network conditions as leverage over their Mainline pilots.
Good luck anyway!!
AFAP should use our dues from every subsidiary they organise to hire the best legal team money can buy. Fire must be met with fire. This is a chance to set a precedence for every pilot EA in the country!
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