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Old 14th Mar 2024, 13:40
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Originally Posted by walesregent
Do you understand the term ‘public interest’?
"I need of a change" thinks its in the public interest that he and all other pilots are paid less than bus drivers.

Clearly he doesn't realise that mining is in the Publics and Governments financial interests.
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Old 14th Mar 2024, 13:57
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Originally Posted by Zeta_Reticuli
"I need of a change" thinks its in the public interest that he and all other pilots are paid less than bus drivers.

Clearly he doesn't realise that mining is in the Publics and Governments financial interests.
I think we just got a glimpse of how Qantas IR operates with INOAC’s question. Don’t concede a single point, no matter how facepalm obvious it is, and place a burden on the opposing side to have to explain it. Anything not to negotiate.
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Old 14th Mar 2024, 14:04
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Originally Posted by I Need Of A Change
Who is the DP you refer to? Is that the Deputy Commissioner?
Deputy President is her title, buddy
GMFO was asked by what title he would like to be referred.....his answer was 'Captain'
He is not a Captain of any NAA aircraft and that is not his title.
What a sham.
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Old 14th Mar 2024, 18:44
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Where are you following along Buttscratcher?
I would like to have a read or a watch of the proceedings.
PS what is GMFO ( general manager flying operations?) and what is their Command experience? If they are legitimately an ATPL holder then I guess they can get away with Captain? Personally I wouldn’t give two hoots about the title and whether or not it was used if I was in a court setting but I can see an argument for it creating a constant recognition of someone’s training and the responsibilities they carry.
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Old 15th Mar 2024, 00:21
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Hey, INOAC how did it feel seeing the no vote swing another 20 percent against your BS views?

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Originally Posted by soseg
Hey, INOAC how did it feel seeing the no vote swing another 20 percent against your BS views?
particularly given he definitely isn't a pilot and likely a management MBA moron sipping cool-aid
😁🙄
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Old 15th Mar 2024, 02:44
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So do we have to call him Captain INOAC?

Anyhoo, since this is a rumour, on a rumour forum, I'll quickly ask if anyone knows about the NJS A220 pending increase?
$250 Y1 CAPT
up to $270 Y9 CAPT.
Apparently won't be signed off until the NAA deal is done.
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Old 15th Mar 2024, 02:46
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Is there any truth to the rumour that AIPA refused to endorse their Network members from taking PIA? INOAC, maybe you can elaborate?
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Old 15th Mar 2024, 03:01
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Originally Posted by Buttscratcher
So do we have to call him Captain INOAC?

Anyhoo, since this is a rumour, on a rumour forum, I'll quickly ask if anyone knows about the NJS A220 pending increase?
$250 Y1 CAPT
up to $270 Y9 CAPT.
Apparently won't be signed off until the NAA deal is done.
haha nice stir - that wouldn’t meet the strategic imperatives
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Old 15th Mar 2024, 03:03
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Originally Posted by Buttscratcher
So do we have to call him Captain INOAC?

Anyhoo, since this is a rumour, on a rumour forum, I'll quickly ask if anyone knows about the NJS A220 pending increase?
$250 Y1 CAPT
up to $270 Y9 CAPT.
Apparently won't be signed off until the NAA deal is done.

Thats about 200k more than Qantas believe they should be paying.
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Old 15th Mar 2024, 03:16
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Originally Posted by smiffysarmy
Is there any truth to the rumour that AIPA refused to endorse their Network members from taking PIA? INOAC, maybe you can elaborate?
I’m not an AIPA member so maybe ask someone who is, people have posted info from AIPA newsletters here and would have a better idea than me.
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Old 15th Mar 2024, 03:18
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Originally Posted by soseg
Hey, INOAC how did it feel seeing the no vote swing another 20 percent against your BS views?
Doesn't bother me as such. I think the result was more predictable than the last. My views are my own, despite you not agreeing to them doesn’t make them BS
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Old 15th Mar 2024, 03:24
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Originally Posted by I Need Of A Change
Doesn't bother me as such. I think the result was more predictable than the last. My views are my own, despite you not agreeing to them doesn’t make them BS
when they are blatantly and factually incorrect - it’s the definition of bull****.
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Old 15th Mar 2024, 03:49
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Originally Posted by smiffysarmy
Is there any truth to the rumour that AIPA refused to endorse their Network members from taking PIA? INOAC, maybe you can elaborate?
AIPA had not undertaken a PIA ballot, so advising its members to take any form of industrial action would have been unprotected. The members would have been liable for
penalties of up to $18,780 and the union $93,900.
Several AIPA members are also AFAP members and they are allowed to participate in PIA.

AIPA recommending members engage in unprotected action would hardly be in the members best interest.

The AIPA negotiators did not believe PIA would lead to a better EA outcome. It is not possible at this stage to determine who is correct. So far, the AFAP PIA has not achieved its presumed purpose of extracting a superior EA offer from the company. Hopefully this will change and the pilots will achieve the improved conditions they deserve.
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Old 15th Mar 2024, 03:56
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The AIPA negotiators did not believe PIA would lead to a better EA outcome.
They also didn’t want to affect their future QF management positions.
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Old 15th Mar 2024, 04:12
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Originally Posted by Beer Baron
AIPA had not undertaken a PIA ballot, so advising its members to take any form of industrial action would have been unprotected. The members would have been liable for
penalties of up to $18,780 and the union $93,900.
Several AIPA members are also AFAP members and they are allowed to participate in PIA.

AIPA recommending members engage in unprotected action would hardly be in the members best interest.

The AIPA negotiators did not believe PIA would lead to a better EA outcome. It is not possible at this stage to determine who is correct. So far, the AFAP PIA has not achieved its presumed purpose of extracting a superior EA offer from the company. Hopefully this will change and the pilots will achieve the improved conditions they deserve.
Exactly, now we are heading towards an outcome determined by the FWC unless either party moves prior to that. All of which could have been achieved by holding your ground at the negotiating table and voting down the deals. PIA cost the members who participated some money and annoyed some customers. It has not yet yielded any movement in the offer presented to the pilots.
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Old 15th Mar 2024, 04:26
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PIA has demonstrated Pilot Unity, resolve & extracted a price from QF who are intent on waging industrial warfare on its workforce.

We will all know soon enough the outcome and can then judge the results.

The Pilot cohort has already achieved a moral victory. This has moved beyond what QF IR can control. Even if QF “wins” this battle, at what cost to the ongoing operation?

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Old 15th Mar 2024, 04:41
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All of which could have been achieved by holding your ground at the negotiating table and voting down the deals.
Isn’t that exactly what happened?

Rumour is Network losing work that they may not get back.
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Old 15th Mar 2024, 04:51
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001
Isn’t that exactly what happened?

Rumour is Network losing work that they may not get back.
If that is true then thanks to Qantas IR/NS etc they would have lost far more money from losing a fifo contract than it would have cost to just pay Network pilots what they deserve.
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Old 15th Mar 2024, 04:52
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001
Isn’t that exactly what happened?

Rumour is Network losing work that they may not get back.
One masthead reported half a dozen crew left last week for other operators.

They probably need to lose work as they won’t have the numbers anyway.
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