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So is the only mainline approved career option that if you don't get a job at mainline or mainline isn't hiring for an extended period of time that you're just not allowed apply to work anywhere else in the group and keep flying in GA until they hire again?
Nothing negative is going to happen to mainline pilots if Network gets improved terms and conditions, surely it would be good for the entire group?
Nothing negative is going to happen to mainline pilots if Network gets improved terms and conditions, surely it would be good for the entire group?
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Let’s hope we see a no vote and the conditions there improve for those who for whatever reason don’t have another viable option. Anyone here who said “I’ll vote yes because it works for me” is naive and selfish. The conditions are **** and we are in the biggest pilot supply shortage I’ve ever seen. They’re hiring sub 1000 hr pilots with only VFR time and rumoured that some don’t have ATPL theory done. That is desperation. Use the current situation to gain the biggest win you can because chances are you won’t have this opportunity again. Do it for the crew who do have 25 years left in them and don’t have their mortgages paid off.
Anyone who votes yes is suffering from Stockholm syndrome.
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Nothing negative is going to happen to mainline pilots if Network gets improved terms and conditions, surely it would be good for the entire group?
Command progression and overall job security improves for Mainline pilots as subsidiaries conditions improve and the opposite is true. If you are Mainline you really should be in full support of the Network pilots if only to feather your own nest.
You could react to that statement by turning around and looking back at ‘what could have been’ but that achieves nothing but poor mental health and an abrasive personality.
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ENOUGH ALREADY! No wonder you can't even get a hello at the coffee shop! This drivel including childish socks gives mainline a terrible name. Yes I agree with the 5% retard5 comment above! Enough relishing in what's happening in their train set.
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Getting back to the OT rate. If Network pilots are to earn less than half of Mainline, perhaps the OT should kick in a lot earlier than 59 hours. Further, the OT rate should be at least 75% of the Mainline rate. Rest assured if OT rate is this low, one can expect a lot of OT flying costing QF peanuts while flogging the pilots.
If you are so stupid as to not recognise that the better the deal that NAA pilots get, the better the deal that you will get in mainline, then you deserve to be sitting there with no promotions and job security, and lose even more flying to subsidiaries.
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This thread is an absolute balltearer. Keep up the awesome work 
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Some are there because they want to live in Perth. I know plenty who either didn’t get a QF interview or didn’t get through it.
Let’s hope we see a no vote and the conditions there improve for those who for whatever reason don’t have another viable option. Anyone here who said “I’ll vote yes because it works for me” is naive and selfish. The conditions are **** and we are in the biggest pilot supply shortage I’ve ever seen. They’re hiring sub 1000 hr pilots with only VFR time and rumoured that some don’t have ATPL theory done. That is desperation. Use the current situation to gain the biggest win you can because chances are you won’t have this opportunity again. Do it for the crew who do have 25 years left in them and don’t have their mortgages paid off.
Anyone who votes yes is suffering from Stockholm syndrome.
Let’s hope we see a no vote and the conditions there improve for those who for whatever reason don’t have another viable option. Anyone here who said “I’ll vote yes because it works for me” is naive and selfish. The conditions are **** and we are in the biggest pilot supply shortage I’ve ever seen. They’re hiring sub 1000 hr pilots with only VFR time and rumoured that some don’t have ATPL theory done. That is desperation. Use the current situation to gain the biggest win you can because chances are you won’t have this opportunity again. Do it for the crew who do have 25 years left in them and don’t have their mortgages paid off.
Anyone who votes yes is suffering from Stockholm syndrome.
Call it mate. I say a no votes goes to IB. From there I don’t see us winning as fairwork will not want to give a particularly favourable result as they can’t be seen as the preferred option for all EBA’s to be negotiated. Additionally I don’t believe they will place much weight on supply and demand as a company can, without application or request, pay more than their EBA anytime they want right? I mean, if they can’t attract crew it’s sign on bonuses. If they can’t retain crew it’s retention bonuses. We’ve seen this at QF group entities before. Nothing new there.
How do you see this playing out? To say a yes vote is naive is suggests people aren’t aware of the game. That’s simply not true, some are naive, others are doing the math. I would retort you could be naive to not consider that yes might lead to the best result for the pilots. The result from the vote will be out today or tomorrow so I guess we’ll see.
So that being your assessment of the status quo, how do you see a no vote playing out? Will the company come back to the table or apply for IB? Because regardless of pilots mental state it’s a game.
Call it mate. I say a no votes goes to IB. From there I don’t see us winning as fairwork will not want to give a particularly favourable result as they can’t be seen as the preferred option for all EBA’s to be negotiated. Additionally I don’t believe they will place much weight on supply and demand as a company can, without application or request, pay more than their EBA anytime they want right? I mean, if they can’t attract crew it’s sign on bonuses. If they can’t retain crew it’s retention bonuses. We’ve seen this at QF group entities before. Nothing new there.
How do you see this playing out? To say a yes vote is naive is suggests people aren’t aware of the game. That’s simply not true, some are naive, others are doing the math. I would retort you could be naive to not consider that yes might lead to the best result for the pilots. The result from the vote will be out today or tomorrow so I guess we’ll see.
Call it mate. I say a no votes goes to IB. From there I don’t see us winning as fairwork will not want to give a particularly favourable result as they can’t be seen as the preferred option for all EBA’s to be negotiated. Additionally I don’t believe they will place much weight on supply and demand as a company can, without application or request, pay more than their EBA anytime they want right? I mean, if they can’t attract crew it’s sign on bonuses. If they can’t retain crew it’s retention bonuses. We’ve seen this at QF group entities before. Nothing new there.
How do you see this playing out? To say a yes vote is naive is suggests people aren’t aware of the game. That’s simply not true, some are naive, others are doing the math. I would retort you could be naive to not consider that yes might lead to the best result for the pilots. The result from the vote will be out today or tomorrow so I guess we’ll see.
If the company were perceived to get thier way the pilots end up on a comparatively crappy deal so arguably the status quo. If the pilots are perceived to get thier way watch the flood gates open with every other EBA in the group come the time.
If I was Qantas I would be wanting to avoid that at all costs, even if it means ceding some ground on this one.
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I can't recall a time in recent history where we're in a better position to win back some of the terms and conditions ripped away from us. Network is critical to this. We bring the bottom up we bring everybody up. We have a chance to bend over these Qantas IR ***** for the first time but our biggest enemy is ourselves. People are so used to Getting nothing that when they get the smallest win they think it's the earth.
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54% No
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If 54% no is the vote then that puts Qantas in an interesting position. If they were contemplating IB then they’ll have to think again. There is significant risk involved with IB as another poster pointed out and at 54% they know it will only take a couple of amended clauses to get it over the line, especially after another two months of bargaining fatigue. My bet is that Qantas will roll over on one more issue and put it back to the vote in early Feb.
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You won't be getting 50k a year there champ, nor will you have any protection or greater earning potential.
Great result for the guys at network, hopefully the other 46% come around and appreciate the good decision.
Great result for the guys at network, hopefully the other 46% come around and appreciate the good decision.
For the yes voters, just remember, on what they just offered you, an a320 captain will still earn less than a 737 FO. And that’s on their expired SH EBA. It’ll only go up when they come to an agreement.
Don’t get lured in by this pathetic FIFO bonus.
The 737 pilots two months ago got paid their bonus. FOs I speak to got about 28k and Captains I’ve heard quoted over 45k.
You ain’t close to being on the same playing field.
Don’t get lured in by this pathetic FIFO bonus.
The 737 pilots two months ago got paid their bonus. FOs I speak to got about 28k and Captains I’ve heard quoted over 45k.
You ain’t close to being on the same playing field.