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Old 13th Dec 2023, 23:27
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Ok...in a nutshell,
A319/320 FOs under 3 years will get 146,735 pa
A319/320 Captains over 10 years get 253,845 pa
There is no DTA, and OT is from 59 hours at 94/154 respectively.
There are yearly increment increases.

What does that mean? Does it mean one has to be a Network Capt. for 10 years to receive $253K or does it mean a Capt. with 10 years experience, on joining Network will receive 253K?

What does a First Year A320 Capt. with Network receive provided he had previous command experience on type?

In any other industry OT is normally paid at 1.5 the normal, yet QF are offering an amount far below the normal rate for flying over 59 hours. Absolute disgrace, it only suggests that they intend to work the pilots to their maximum and would be less costly, than to promote from within. In other words the F100 pilots would have to wait longer to progress.

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Old 13th Dec 2023, 23:32
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Originally Posted by Jester64
Already happening no?
please, its still early here in UAE , too good.

Will be a fight in the Octagon between Toowoomba and Jandakot.
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Old 13th Dec 2023, 23:34
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Originally Posted by framer
For an outsider these two statements seem incongruous.
I am wondering if the poster comparing the 737 F/O salary to the proposed Capt salary is forgetting the disparity in the hours worked per roster. To help the outsiders like myself understand it would be useful to know the year 1 Captains proposed salary at Network and also how many hours per month a Network Captain can expect to work. A good comparison would be a calculation based on both pilots flying 65 hours because it is a moderate roster and will include incentive pay for both pilots. I guess what I am asking for is the proposed Y1 Capt salary gross earnings if they flew 13 65hour rosters in order to see if there is any truth to the assertion that a 737 f/o would earn more than a Network Captain.
Youd need to compare time away from home, early starts, duty times as Netlink do day waits, etc. it gets complicated. Regardless, plenty 737 FOs this year will go north of 250 without trying
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Old 13th Dec 2023, 23:39
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Originally Posted by walesregent
you arenít missing anything- the overtime rate is one of the main problems with this proposal. Itís almost like the company has plans afoot to ratchet up flying and donít want to pay for it. Whatever lifestyle exists is most threatened by the overtime rate.
This is spot on. Netlink pilots can now expect to finally go into OT, however itíll be at exploited rates.

But their managements email stated their operations are unique. Canít be seen implying itís the same job as mainline with those new pesky laws coming into play.
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Old 13th Dec 2023, 23:49
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Originally Posted by YeahNup
All of your posts and statements are broad and rhetorical without any factual backup. If you really want to make a difference and prove how crappy the deal is, why don't you post actual figures and comparisons to substantiate your rhetoric?
If you like the deal, good for you. Would you care to elaborate on whatís good about it?
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Old 13th Dec 2023, 23:56
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Youd need to compare time away from home, early starts, duty times as Netlink do day waits, etc. it gets complicated. Regardless, plenty 737 FOs this year will go north of 250 without trying
Yip understood. I thought it might create a less murky starting point as a way of thinking about it ( comparing two 65 hour rosters) but I take the point that it is difficult to compare the two sets of earnings with day waits etc.
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Old 13th Dec 2023, 23:59
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Gordon, I haven't given my thoughts on the deal one way or another.

What I have done is ask you for a reasoned and fact-based argument rather than continued rhetoric and subjective statements.

But as one would expect, you obfuscate and attempt to deflect the question rather than answer it with a reasoned, objective and fact-based argument. So again, I ask if you really want to make a difference and prove how crappy the deal is, why don't you post actual figures and comparisons to substantiate your rhetoric?
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Old 14th Dec 2023, 05:29
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So just for some broader context.

NSW Paramedics just secured a 25% pay rise over four years.

Virgin cabin crew today secured a 15% pay rise over three years.

No means no.
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Old 14th Dec 2023, 14:02
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Fix this appalling overtime rate or your Ďlifestyle jobí wonít exist for much longer.
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Old 14th Dec 2023, 19:08
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Does anyone here know a website for calculating ‘cost of living increases’ over a set time period for different states? I’ve had a search but can’t find anything with authority, just private companies or news articles. I ask because it wouldn’t surprise me if WA has outperformed other states financially due to being able to continue production through the pandemic and has had greater cost of living increases than the East coast making the Network pilots situation tougher than an East coast equivalent.
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Old 15th Dec 2023, 07:45
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Originally Posted by soseg
54% No
Fantastic work 54%! Stick to the b*****ds!!
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Old 15th Dec 2023, 15:19
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Originally Posted by framer
Does anyone here know a website for calculating Ďcost of living increasesí over a set time period for different states? Iíve had a search but canít find anything with authority, just private companies or news articles. I ask because it wouldnít surprise me if WA has outperformed other states financially due to being able to continue production through the pandemic and has had greater cost of living increases than the East coast making the Network pilots situation tougher than an East coast equivalent.
Some info here that suggests Perth has a lower cost of living, even apart from housing, than the east coast. The report is over 12mths old now, so might have changed a bit, particularly for rental accommodation as Perth has one of the lowest vacancy rates atm, still probably cheaper than Sydney or Melbourne though?

https://www.wa.gov.au/government/pub...cost-of-living


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Old 15th Dec 2023, 19:25
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Ahhh sit on it Potsie. ( thanks for taking the time to post it thoughÖ..just wanted to say Ďsit on ití for the first time in thirty years)
Deloitte was paid by WA treasury to create that report in order to make adverts to entice people to live in WA.
I was hoping for something a little less biased.
The website Numbeo seems to be unbiased but Iím unsure of how much data they gather.
Numbeo would suggest that Perth and Melbourne are on par for cost of living behind only Sydney.
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Old 15th Dec 2023, 22:49
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Originally Posted by MBA747
What does that mean? Does it mean one has to be a Network Capt. for 10 years to receive $253K or does it mean a Capt. with 10 years experience, on joining Network will receive 253K?

Someone would have to be a captain with 10 years of service at Network to recieve $253K. As an example, 9 years as an FO and 1 year as a Captain = 10 Year Captain Pay, it doesn't reset when someone upgrades, however there is no recognition of prior experience in the pay structure.


Originally Posted by MBA747
What does a First Year A320 Capt. with Network receive provided he had previous command experience on type?

Assuming a direct entry Captain, Year 1 Pay

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Old 15th Dec 2023, 23:29
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Yes vote imminent after significant progress in talks. Substituting FIFO allowance for DHA. Yay what a win!
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Old 16th Dec 2023, 01:12
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Shows the benefit of never voting yes for option 1.

NJS Pilots have been paid more then NAA Pilots for a very long time. Once this agreement gets through there will be NAA line pilots on over 24% more then NJS Pilots!
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Old 16th Dec 2023, 01:21
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The NAA pilots have done well and good on them. Has the OT rate improved? what was offered was pathetic.
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Old 16th Dec 2023, 02:08
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The O/T rate at NJS 146 was circa 180/hr, that was 25 years ago so yeah, 154 is taking the pi55 a bit. That said the base at NJS (pre QF takeover) was always down amongst the lowest in Oz and the O/T kicked in at 75 hours.
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Old 16th Dec 2023, 03:50
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Originally Posted by MBA747
The NAA pilots have done well and good on them. Has the OT rate improved? what was offered was pathetic.
Nope. DHA is part of their no cost change policy so the Wild West bonus is going and thereís nothing extra to fix the appalling OT rate.
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Old 16th Dec 2023, 04:01
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That OT rate is offensive. Mate at Alliance over the road was telling me skippers are on $335 per hour and FOís are on $210 per hour over 57 hours on F100. What network are offering particularly considering 320/319 is pathetic.

1,000% would be voting NO until you were at least on par with that.

future proof this damn thing!
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