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Spoken like a true subsidiary pilot!
You can walk into a company like NWK at the moment with next to no experience, perform a **** sim assessment and pysch test, be an ass at the interview and still get the job. Good luck doing that at a mainline assessment. Does this make one candidate higher quality than the other? Absolutely
You can walk into a company like NWK at the moment with next to no experience, perform a **** sim assessment and pysch test, be an ass at the interview and still get the job. Good luck doing that at a mainline assessment. Does this make one candidate higher quality than the other? Absolutely
candidate A outscoring external candidate B by a golden mile during mainline assessment. Candidate A gets a start at mainline. Candidate B gets rejected and ends up at a cheaper subsidiary like NWK. Are you telling me mainline recruited the lesser quality candidate?
no ****…but my point refers to let’s say external
candidate A outscoring external candidate B by a golden mile during mainline assessment. Candidate A gets a start at mainline. Candidate B gets rejected and ends up at a cheaper subsidiary like NWK. Are you telling me mainline recruited the lesser quality candidate?
candidate A outscoring external candidate B by a golden mile during mainline assessment. Candidate A gets a start at mainline. Candidate B gets rejected and ends up at a cheaper subsidiary like NWK. Are you telling me mainline recruited the lesser quality candidate?
NAA Pilots are at NAA not because they flunked the Mainline interview, they are there because they wanted to live in Perth and have minimal overnights. Mainline doesn’t offer that. They need to ensure any future EA contains excellent lifestyle provisions as QF management will do everything they can to replace expensive mainline pilots with a cheaper entity.
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no ****…but my point refers to let’s say external
candidate A outscoring external candidate B by a golden mile during mainline assessment. Candidate A gets a start at mainline. Candidate B gets rejected and ends up at a cheaper subsidiary like NWK. Are you telling me mainline recruited the lesser quality candidate?
candidate A outscoring external candidate B by a golden mile during mainline assessment. Candidate A gets a start at mainline. Candidate B gets rejected and ends up at a cheaper subsidiary like NWK. Are you telling me mainline recruited the lesser quality candidate?
You've missed the point I was trying to make. Poetic Justice was explaining how no other pilot in Australia is equal to a Qantas pilot because we haven't endured such 'competitive recruitment'. I'm simply pointing out that those TAA pilots who joined the company didn't either, yet there's no issue with them being referred to as Qantas pilots. I don't care who calls themselves what, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy.
And dare I say if TAA had hypothetically continued and was absorbed by QF in the last decade they too would have "Link" and Beards. Let's not kid ourselves they just got lucky in a different time, under a different CEO with different ethics. It's this kind of 'Them vs us' attitude that causes the divide and conquer mentality in the first place.
And dare I say if TAA had hypothetically continued and was absorbed by QF in the last decade they too would have "Link" and Beards. Let's not kid ourselves they just got lucky in a different time, under a different CEO with different ethics. It's this kind of 'Them vs us' attitude that causes the divide and conquer mentality in the first place.
TAA/Australia and Qantas were both wholly owned airlines of the Australian government. They were merged and floated. Hence why Qantas mainline have two EBAs. When you go to shorthaul, you are on LWOP from longhaul, flying under the Australian EBA.
There are still Australian pilots rotating at the top on senior fleets living their best life. They got the better deal with the integration.
The subsidiary airlines since privatisation solely exist to reduce costs. That is it. If they weren’t cheaper or more flexible, they’d be cast adrift and another subsidiary would be acquired. There are of course some talented smart people in these operations. There are also corridor creepers and henchmen looking to further their careers in the mother ship.
The entrance requirements however are less. Some, may get the mainline ticket. Most won’t. That is just the nature of the beast.
Depends on what you’re comparing. Mainline interviews are stupidly heavy on the puppy patting qualities of a candidate whereas a NAA/NJS/Alliance interview actually confirms the candidate can fly and knows how to do a visual approach. Mainline wouldn’t know if they hired a lesser quality candidate from a flying skills perspective as they don’t check anymore.
NAA Pilots are at NAA not because they flunked the Mainline interview, they are there because they wanted to live in Perth and have minimal overnights. Mainline doesn’t offer that. They need to ensure any future EA contains excellent lifestyle provisions as QF management will do everything they can to replace expensive mainline pilots with a cheaper entity.
NAA Pilots are at NAA not because they flunked the Mainline interview, they are there because they wanted to live in Perth and have minimal overnights. Mainline doesn’t offer that. They need to ensure any future EA contains excellent lifestyle provisions as QF management will do everything they can to replace expensive mainline pilots with a cheaper entity.
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Spoken like a true subsidiary pilot!
You can walk into a company like NWK at the moment with next to no experience, perform a **** sim assessment and pysch test, be an ass at the interview and still get the job. Good luck doing that at a mainline assessment. Does this make one candidate higher quality than the other? Absolutely
You can walk into a company like NWK at the moment with next to no experience, perform a **** sim assessment and pysch test, be an ass at the interview and still get the job. Good luck doing that at a mainline assessment. Does this make one candidate higher quality than the other? Absolutely
I’ve known retards that have gotten into mainline, and also the subsidiaries. No recruitment process will stop that.
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This is why we can't have nice things.
(By "nice things", I mean pay and conditions worthy of the job of a professional pilot.)
And I mean it - as aptly displayed above, with this sort of disunity in the industry, whatever you're fighting for under whatever EBA, you're doomed to get 1/8 of F-ALL.
(By "nice things", I mean pay and conditions worthy of the job of a professional pilot.)
And I mean it - as aptly displayed above, with this sort of disunity in the industry, whatever you're fighting for under whatever EBA, you're doomed to get 1/8 of F-ALL.
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This thread has turned into absolute filth. Some absolutely garbage humans bashing fellow pilots. It's unfortunate that these types of QF pilots exist. Pprune really brings out that 5%. 💩
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Pprune really brings out that 5%.
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Have I had a knock to the head and woken on April 1st?
Parking - the issue with parking is because of Networks growth. You should be parking in Network HQ and catching a bus over. The carpark can only take so many Mazda 3s.
Encroaching on SH routes - too late. Isn't that what you all wanted? Bali?
Overnighting at Mines - that's your job. Mine flying , not RPT.
All too good to grab the great fast promotions and rapid growth with a **** eba and now want to start fixing it. The horse has bolted.
It is good to see though Hudsons as the new Network cafe of choice though , we can speak freely there!
Parking - the issue with parking is because of Networks growth. You should be parking in Network HQ and catching a bus over. The carpark can only take so many Mazda 3s.
Encroaching on SH routes - too late. Isn't that what you all wanted? Bali?
Overnighting at Mines - that's your job. Mine flying , not RPT.
All too good to grab the great fast promotions and rapid growth with a **** eba and now want to start fixing it. The horse has bolted.
It is good to see though Hudsons as the new Network cafe of choice though , we can speak freely there!
That's why I barely go on here anymore. It's all turned into doom and gloom.
Last edited by VHOED191006; 11th Dec 2023 at 22:37. Reason: Clearly I should go on here more to keep my grammar in check lol
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new NAA pilot sock's
What were ‘Those’ pilot meant to do? Take a job at Coles and stick it to them? The fight is with the C-suite not your fellow pilots. You can’t ridicule a pilot for taking a job to put food on the table.
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While some of the comments here have gone too far, they are likely driven by a resentment amongst mainline pilots that has built up since Jetstar was first created.
Many see promotional timeframes being blown out, at least in part, by the expansion of subsidiary flying into networks previously operated by mainline.
Some also see it as ironic that fast promotion amongst subsidiaries is now being followed up by demands for equivalence of pay and conditions with mainline, where progression is significantly slower.
I am not commenting on the rightness or wrongness of this attitude, however it would be naive to ignore the fact that many hold this view.
Many see promotional timeframes being blown out, at least in part, by the expansion of subsidiary flying into networks previously operated by mainline.
Some also see it as ironic that fast promotion amongst subsidiaries is now being followed up by demands for equivalence of pay and conditions with mainline, where progression is significantly slower.
I am not commenting on the rightness or wrongness of this attitude, however it would be naive to ignore the fact that many hold this view.
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