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Old 7th Dec 2023, 03:41
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...because the vote will be NO.
Just in time for an Intractable Bargaining and Same-Job, Same-Pay test case - phones must surely be ringing off the hook somewhere in the QF malaise

Labor’s same-job, same-pay laws pass parliament after deal with Lambie and Pocock

Labor’s same-job, same-pay in labour hire and wage theft legislation will pass parliament on Thursday after a deal with senators David Pocock and Jacqui Lambie.On Thursday the workplace relations minister, Tony Burke, declared it was a “great day for workers’ wages and safety”, with a majority of the Senate set to agree to key measures of the closing loopholes bill including on industrial manslaughter and provisions to help first responders.

On Thursday Burke told reporters in Canberra that “a whole lot of people who are being underpaid” needed parliament to “decide that it’s time for them to get a pay rise and all of that can be done today”.

Lambie told reporters she approved the deal because she had “had a gutful” of big businesses making “massive profits” while workers such as flight attendants and miners earn up to $30,000 less a year because they were employed by a labour hire company or a separate corporate entity.

“The companies that will be crying loudest about these changes are some of Australia’s biggest and most profitable."

“Mining companies such as Gina Rinehart’s or Qantas, whose CEOs are receiving huge bonuses, they don’t feel the hardships many Australians are feeling right now.”
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Old 7th Dec 2023, 05:20
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Originally Posted by Buttscratcher
DTA and other allowances
Mostly concerned about what's happening next year and subsequent growth.
Hobarts, Brisbane, back of the clock stuff, parking / overnighting at mine sites.....there's no future proofing in the current offering.
I suppose I'd be fine if the flying remained the same as it currently is......but it won't.
They lied in 2016 about no new types, and they are lying now about encroaching on SH routes.
Have I had a knock to the head and woken on April 1st?

Parking - the issue with parking is because of Networks growth. You should be parking in Network HQ and catching a bus over. The carpark can only take so many Mazda 3s.
Encroaching on SH routes - too late. Isn't that what you all wanted? Bali?
Overnighting at Mines - that's your job. Mine flying , not RPT.

All too good to grab the great fast promotions and rapid growth with a **** eba and now want to start fixing it. The horse has bolted.

It is good to see though Hudsons as the new Network cafe of choice though , we can speak freely there!
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Old 7th Dec 2023, 08:11
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Have I had a knock to the head and woken on April 1st?

Parking - the issue with parking is because of Networks growth. You should be parking in Network HQ and catching a bus over. The carpark can only take so many Mazda 3s.
Encroaching on SH routes - too late. Isn't that what you all wanted? Bali?
Overnighting at Mines - that's your job. Mine flying , not RPT.

All too good to grab the great fast promotions and rapid growth with a **** eba and now want to start fixing it. The horse has bolted.

It is good to see though Hudsons as the new Network cafe of choice though , we can speak freely there!
<sigh> do you want us to sign another **** EA? I’ll put the word out- should be enough to get it over the line. Better to enable a business unit to become a direct threat to short haul than to hurt your fee fees if we succeed in getting similar pay and conditions to you. We may be bin chickens but we’re the ones actually trying to do something about the long term viability of this career path in Australia. Glad most of your colleagues don’t feel the way you do.
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Old 7th Dec 2023, 09:19
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Jesus, Shandy
'Parking' means Parking/overnighting at mine sites.
The plan is to alleviate the parking congestion and cost at Perth by sending some of the the 'frames to the Pilbra and beond on overnights.
'Our job', as you put it, has never been overnights. In fact, the 2016 EA was specifically devoid of such, save for Sim references.
The point here, if I must spell it out for you, is the change in the business model without consultation, representation and appropriate remuneration.
You should really read the content and apply it in context.

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Old 7th Dec 2023, 09:44
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Wait till your multiple reserves in a row end up being a night in PBO, a night in Solomon then a night in Cloudbreak, sign on being 0500 and sign off being 2000L on day 3.

That home every night job based in Perth starts to look not so worth it…
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Old 7th Dec 2023, 09:57
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Wait till your multiple reserves in a row end up being a night in PBO, a night in Solomon then a night in Cloudbreak, sign on being 0500 and sign off being 2000L on day 3.

That home every night job based in Perth starts to look not so worth it…
Ask the NJS guys what that’s like. The ‘lifestyle’ job is nothing of the sort. Aviation as a career is dead, work/life balance and salary going at ballistic speeds in opposite directions. IB is the least of your problems.

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All too good to grab the great fast promotions and rapid growth with a **** eba and now want to start fixing it
That attitude achieves precisely zero.
Forget about the past, these dudes are trying to achieve something good right now, this month. Something that will help address
​​​​​​​Aviation as a career is dead, work/life balance and salary going at ballistic speeds on opposite directions.
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Old 7th Dec 2023, 21:48
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OT at $154 for a Capt. is a bit low. What are the other points of contention?
Overtime should kick in at 50 hours not 59. Vote NO!
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Old 7th Dec 2023, 22:01
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Overtime should kick in at 50 hours not 59. Vote NO!
Care to elaborate? I’m all for overtime starting at 20 hours, but doubt I’d get that. Why 50?
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Old 7th Dec 2023, 23:30
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Care to elaborate? I’m all for overtime starting at 20 hours, but doubt I’d get that. Why 50?
Why not? Mainline overtime kicks in at 53 hours IIRC. Mainlines overtime rate is more than double what Network has been offered. Vote No!
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Buttscratcher My mistake , thanks for clearing that up. I do know there is significant parking issues. Where are A319s going to go? Probably why HQ has decided to move into the deal with Perth Airport and move across the other side.

The mainline SH structure has changed just as significantly without consultation - but its not a transfer of business is it?. The lads tell me they don't even go to Port Headland anymore.

walesregent NA is just the ones at the present time who are able to do something. Everyone hopes for a better deal but if you wanted a good deal then you know where that was to be had. Through decades of negotiations with gives to get it to where it is today.

Matching SH pay won't be the end of the divide model. It's not the silver bullet most think it would be.

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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
Wait till your multiple reserves in a row end up being a night in PBO, a night in Solomon then a night in Cloudbreak, sign on being 0500 and sign off being 2000L on day 3.

That home every night job based in Perth starts to look not so worth it…
That sounds like what SH has turned into because of Network , just change PBO , Solomon and Cloudbreak for Sydney , Melbourne and Hobart.
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That sounds like what SH has turned into because of Network , just change PBO , Solomon and Cloudbreak for Sydney , Melbourne and Hobart.

Let us not forget who is actually in charge here and therefore responsible for the degradation in conditions and lifestyle. Management drive the wedge pure and simple. Network didn’t cause this, management did, remember who’s the fight is with.
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Old 8th Dec 2023, 01:17
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All too good to grab the great fast promotions and rapid growth with a **** eba and now want to start fixing it.!
Are you suggesting that the guys/girls at American Airlines should also deserve nothing more than a 38 page Network equivalent EA (or US CBA) - one that has more holes than a kitchen sieve - simply because they too qualify for fast promotions.

Or, should we all support those that have less favourable conditions than us, as we are all professionals here and should be treated as such in the workplace, as in the end, a rising tide lifts all boats.

The improvements currently seen by US majors is due to continued rejection of poor working conditions which started at the regionals, but was duly supported by all as a united front.



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RealSatoshi do you like archery ? Because that is one hell of a long bow to draw.

If there were upgrades at Mainline for new hires within 24 months then this thread would be irrelevant.

They (AA) also have scope clauses and solid membership throughout with representation from afar with serious weight not spread across three with competing interests.
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But are we going to walk away over "management" - I just wanna work and move on. I joined one of them calls n some of the changes arent half bad. a days and base sal are above what i expected.
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Why not? Mainline overtime kicks in at 53 hours IIRC. Mainlines overtime rate is more than double what Network has been offered. Vote No!
Exactly! Overtime should kick in at 50 hours. VOTE NO! Let it go to intractable bargaining.

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But are we going to walk away over "management" - I just wanna work and move on. I joined one of them calls n some of the changes arent half bad. a days and base sal are above what i expected.
​​​​​​​You think the offer is satisfactory?
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But are we going to walk away over "management" - I just wanna work and move on. I joined one of them calls n some of the changes arent half bad. a days and base sal are above what i expected.
If you like it and value your input accordingly, vote yes. If you vote yes, it will still go down in flames and you will still enjoy the eventual improvements like every other (duress free) yes voter in history.
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I remember an airline that used to exit in Australia not so long ago. Everyone used to come on this website and talk about the poor conditions on offer at XYZ, wonder why you’d ever work there when you could earn more money working fewer days at Tiger.

Those Tiger crews won some great conditions through PIA, really turned the screws on their company. But what happened in the first significant downturn that came along? Yeah, they shut that operation down. How are those Tiger crews & their great salaries going now?
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