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Old 10th Dec 2023, 00:08
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Last time I looked, no one at Network went through Australia's most competitive recruitment process, spent time as an SO, waited 20 years for a command or is on the short haul EA. If you want everything on offer at short haul, why don't you join QF?
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Old 10th Dec 2023, 00:22
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Originally Posted by Swept-Wing
Network Pilots are Qantas Pilots.
Until your pay reflects that of Qantas Pilots, VOTE NO!

Know your worth!
Should call you the “master baiter” with a lure that good.
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Old 10th Dec 2023, 00:54
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Originally Posted by soseg
Are Jetstar pilots considered Qantas pilots?

What about Alliance?
A fair few new joiners to Alliance on the Ejet think they are Qantas pilots according to Linkedin 😂
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Old 10th Dec 2023, 01:55
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Great way to show a united front. None of this division helps anyone. It's exactly what Qantas (including all its subsidiaries) want. We need to fix the worst conditions in the industry to truly develop.
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Weren’t the first Qantas pilots hardened war heroes? What does that make the old school sky gods of today?

It’s a pointless debate.

Australian aviation, “The divide was manufactured by management, perfected by pilots”

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Old 10th Dec 2023, 10:59
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Originally Posted by Poetic Justice
Last time I looked, no one at Network went through Australia's most competitive recruitment process, spent time as an SO, waited 20 years for a command or is on the short haul EA. If you want everything on offer at short haul, why don't you join QF?
You do realise that the worse the deal network get the more work gets transferred from SH to network. If it’s leaps and bounds “cheaper” to run a Network 320 to Darwin than a Mainline 737 or A321 then you can bet management will put a network aircraft on. Like wise for Adelaide, Hobart etc.

Remember where to direct your anger and have a think where to direct your support. A great deal
for Network = A great deal for Mainline Pilots.
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Old 10th Dec 2023, 12:55
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Originally Posted by Poetic Justice
Last time I looked, no one at Network went through Australia's most competitive recruitment process, spent time as an SO, waited 20 years for a command or is on the short haul EA. If you want everything on offer at short haul, why don't you join QF?
Is that you Vanessa?
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Old 10th Dec 2023, 13:09
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Who’s Vanessa?
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Old 10th Dec 2023, 23:33
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Originally Posted by ShandywithSugar
Nope.
So shandy am I a Pilot in a Qantas uniform payed by NAA or a Qantas Pilot in a uniform payed by NAA. And who even cares enough at this point to think it over? 717 drivers have been ‘dressing up’ as QF pilots for more years than NAA right?

Oh and if you’re short haul QF are you really even a Qantas pilot? I mean, comon, you don’t fly ‘internationally!!!’ (Well not often)

PFFT! Back to the discussion… the customers certainly only see a Qantas pilot and at the end of the day that’s all that matters.
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Old 11th Dec 2023, 00:03
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Originally Posted by TooManyPineapples
So shandy am I a Pilot in a Qantas uniform payed by NAA or a Qantas Pilot in a uniform payed by NAA. And who even cares enough at this point to think it over? 717 drivers have been ‘dressing up’ as QF pilots for more years than NAA right?

Oh and if you’re short haul QF are you really even a Qantas pilot? I mean, comon, you don’t fly ‘internationally!!!’ (Well not often)

PFFT! Back to the discussion… the customers certainly only see a Qantas pilot and at the end of the day that’s all that matters.
No they see a QantasLINK Pilot. Qantas Pilots are far superior.
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Old 11th Dec 2023, 00:04
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Originally Posted by Poetic Justice
Last time I looked, no one at Network went through Australia's most competitive recruitment process, spent time as an SO, waited 20 years for a command or is on the short haul EA. If you want everything on offer at short haul, why don't you join QF?
Hmmmm neither did the TAA guys, they were purchased by Qantas and folded in, they didn't go through the Qantas recruitment process either. Waaaiiittt does that mean the history and core of the SH 737 operation are not Qantas pilots either? Jeez this is starting to get really confusing 😕
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Old 11th Dec 2023, 00:07
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Management must be rolling on the floor with laughter. Heaven help us.
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Old 11th Dec 2023, 00:28
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Originally Posted by pinkpanther1
Hmmmm neither did the TAA guys, they were purchased by Qantas and folded in, they didn't go through the Qantas recruitment process either. Waaaiiittt does that mean the history and core of the SH 737 operation are not Qantas pilots either? Jeez this is starting to get really confusing 😕
Integrated in. Joined the seniority. Ability to transfer across. No beards. No “Link” on the fuselage. Same AOC. EBAs linked. Provided promotion capability and career options, not division and out sourcing.

Quite different.
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Old 11th Dec 2023, 00:44
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Integrated in. Joined the seniority. Ability to transfer across. No beards. No “Link” on the fuselage. Same AOC. EBAs linked. Provided promotion capability and career options, not division and out sourcing.

Quite different.
You've missed the point I was trying to make. Poetic Justice was explaining how no other pilot in Australia is equal to a Qantas pilot because we haven't endured such 'competitive recruitment'. I'm simply pointing out that those TAA pilots who joined the company didn't either, yet there's no issue with them being referred to as Qantas pilots. I don't care who calls themselves what, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy.

And dare I say if TAA had hypothetically continued and was absorbed by QF in the last decade they too would have "Link" and Beards. Let's not kid ourselves they just got lucky in a different time, under a different CEO with different ethics. It's this kind of 'Them vs us' attitude that causes the divide and conquer mentality in the first place.
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Originally Posted by TooManyPineapples
So shandy am I a Pilot in a Qantas uniform payed by NAA or a Qantas Pilot in a uniform payed by NAA. And who even cares enough at this point to think it over? 717 drivers have been ‘dressing up’ as QF pilots for more years than NAA right?

Oh and if you’re short haul QF are you really even a Qantas pilot? I mean, comon, you don’t fly ‘internationally!!!’ (Well not often)

PFFT! Back to the discussion… the customers certainly only see a Qantas pilot and at the end of the day that’s all that matters.
Well, you probably wouldn't have passed the mainline literacy test.
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Old 11th Dec 2023, 02:06
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Originally Posted by pinkpanther1
You've missed the point I was trying to make. Poetic Justice was explaining how no other pilot in Australia is equal to a Qantas pilot because we haven't endured such 'competitive recruitment'. I'm simply pointing out that those TAA pilots who joined the company didn't either, yet there's no issue with them being referred to as Qantas pilots. I don't care who calls themselves what, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy.

And dare I say if TAA had hypothetically continued and was absorbed by QF in the last decade they too would have "Link" and Beards. Let's not kid ourselves they just got lucky in a different time, under a different CEO with different ethics. It's this kind of 'Them vs us' attitude that causes the divide and conquer mentality in the first place.
Hmm , not sure using TAA pilots as example really supports your argument ? The ones I meet usually had a degree and high intellect ( maybe too high for the job would be only criticism) .
However some of the best airline guys started of from farms and cut their teeth on tiger moths crop dusting, but different era .
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Hmm , not sure using TAA pilots as example really supports your argument ? The ones I meet usually had a degree and high intellect ( maybe too high for the job would be only criticism) .
However some of the best airline guys started of from farms and cut their teeth on tiger moths crop dusting, but different era .
No I completely agree with you, an altogether very highly skilled and competent pilot group and I am in no way trying to cast a shadow on the TAA legacy. The insinuation on this forum though is that pilots from the subsidiaries are of a lesser quality than mainline pilots - something that I think is simply untrue. There are very skilled and capable pilots at all the QF group airlines, just as there are some slightly less competent flyers at ALL the group airlines.
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Originally Posted by pinkpanther1
No I completely agree with you, an altogether very highly skilled and competent pilot group and I am in no way trying to cast a shadow on the TAA legacy. The insinuation on this forum though is that pilots from the subsidiaries are of a lesser quality than mainline pilots - something that I think is simply untrue. There are very skilled and capable pilots at all the QF group airlines, just as there are some slightly less competent flyers at ALL the group airlines.
Agree totally .
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Originally Posted by soseg
Integrated in. Joined the seniority. Ability to transfer across. No beards. No “Link” on the fuselage. Same AOC. EBAs linked. Provided promotion capability and career options, not division and out sourcing.

Quite different.
Jetconnect is on the same AOC
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Originally Posted by pinkpanther1
The insinuation on this forum though is that pilots from the subsidiaries are of a lesser quality than mainline pilots - something that I think is simply untrue.
Spoken like a true subsidiary pilot!

You can walk into a company like NWK at the moment with next to no experience, perform a **** sim assessment and pysch test, be an ass at the interview and still get the job. Good luck doing that at a mainline assessment. Does this make one candidate higher quality than the other? Absolutely
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