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Correct me if I’ve got this wrong, but if they can force you to work OT for a lower rate, then what’s the incentive to hire 100* pilots to fly for 60 hours a month at $100/hr* ($600,000), when they could hire 80 pilots to fly 75 hours a month for $546,000?
Essentially they will be motivated to make you work as much OT as possible.
*pilot numbers and hourly wage made up. Scenario based on OT rate being worth 45% less than normal rate.
Essentially they will be motivated to make you work as much OT as possible.
*pilot numbers and hourly wage made up. Scenario based on OT rate being worth 45% less than normal rate.
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Is that not comparing a mainline FOs total pay to a Network base only pay?
Im sure Network crews make more than bare bones base pay.
If history is anything to go by there will be no shortage of mainline FOs and SOs happy to jump at the offer of secondment & promotion regardless. Jetstar AU, Jetstar NZ, EFA to name a few past examples.
Im sure Network crews make more than bare bones base pay.
If history is anything to go by there will be no shortage of mainline FOs and SOs happy to jump at the offer of secondment & promotion regardless. Jetstar AU, Jetstar NZ, EFA to name a few past examples.
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Is that not comparing a mainline FOs total pay to a Network base only pay?
Im sure Network crews make more than bare bones base pay.
If history is anything to go by there will be no shortage of mainline FOs and SOs happy to jump at the offer of secondment & promotion regardless. Jetstar AU, Jetstar NZ, EFA to name a few past examples.
Im sure Network crews make more than bare bones base pay.
If history is anything to go by there will be no shortage of mainline FOs and SOs happy to jump at the offer of secondment & promotion regardless. Jetstar AU, Jetstar NZ, EFA to name a few past examples.
Jetstar LWOP during the GFC was one thing. The only other time people have really done it was during covid. So I guess managements only chance to lure pilots to jump across is to stand mainline pilots down due lack of flying.
Is that not comparing a mainline FOs total pay to a Network base only pay?
Im sure Network crews make more than bare bones base pay.
If history is anything to go by there will be no shortage of mainline FOs and SOs happy to jump at the offer of secondment & promotion regardless. Jetstar AU, Jetstar NZ, EFA to name a few past examples.
Im sure Network crews make more than bare bones base pay.
If history is anything to go by there will be no shortage of mainline FOs and SOs happy to jump at the offer of secondment & promotion regardless. Jetstar AU, Jetstar NZ, EFA to name a few past examples.
Check that history by the way. Most secondments are quickly followed by a regretful WTF moment as they realise they left a stable, well paying job for something unstable, poorly paid, poorly resourced, and now they’re carrying the legal can for that operation, just so they can “progress their career”. Most leave with the same urgency as someone leaving a burning fuselage.
Vote NO!
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I have zero idea because I'm sure everyone of them will gross something different depending on what or how much they work.
If someone chooses to work above the minimum is it not a tad misleading to say they are paid more than someone who refuses to work overtime or days off?
It moves away from a valid comparison which is why I asked the question earlier whether Network pilots will even get the choice to work overtime.
If they dont even get the choice then no amount of overtime or gross pay figures are going to compensate for a pineapple that size.
If someone chooses to work above the minimum is it not a tad misleading to say they are paid more than someone who refuses to work overtime or days off?
It moves away from a valid comparison which is why I asked the question earlier whether Network pilots will even get the choice to work overtime.
If they dont even get the choice then no amount of overtime or gross pay figures are going to compensate for a pineapple that size.
But they are not going to get equal pay to mainline and if they want equal pay, then come and fly for mainline.
There are many good FO’s at mainline who have had years cut off their commands because of subsidiaries and I’m not for one second blaming the subsidiary pilots. But why should someone who’s been in the Group 5 minutes get a command in a few years or less, and then earn mainline Captain pay, when an FO in mainline isn’t afforded the same opportunity?
There are many good FO’s at mainline who have had years cut off their commands because of subsidiaries and I’m not for one second blaming the subsidiary pilots. But why should someone who’s been in the Group 5 minutes get a command in a few years or less, and then earn mainline Captain pay, when an FO in mainline isn’t afforded the same opportunity?
Then why should someone who comes straight off an ATR (NZ) or a REX SAAB go straight to SH 737 on day one and earn more (as touted here), than someone who's been (for example), a Network A320 FO for 5 years? (i.e. in The Group for 5 years)
In the end, everyone has a licence issued by CASA which affords them the right to operate whatever type they are qualified to do, at whatever rate they are willing to accept for their circumstances. Having 'superior' expectations because they passed a Mainline interview process ahead of for example another candidate with widebody experience who did not pass the auto-filtered test to get into Phase 1 of our process, should not make the rest of us think we are specially superior. If the best available (and eligible) pilots in the world are not in the room on Day 1, then we have no reason to believe that we are indeed superior and deserve more than anyone else - it is merely a process of selection, to which the trap doors have never been quantified.
Stay Humble - Australian Pilots are in this Together, no matter how Good / Bad / Entitled some may think they are
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You are a complete muppet if you work an RDO while all your “mates” are benched. End of story.
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I have zero idea because I'm sure everyone of them will gross something different depending on what or how much they work.
If someone chooses to work above the minimum is it not a tad misleading to say they are paid more than someone who refuses to work overtime or days off?
It moves away from a valid comparison which is why I asked the question earlier whether Network pilots will even get the choice to work overtime.
If they dont even get the choice then no amount of overtime or gross pay figures are going to compensate for a pineapple that size.
If someone chooses to work above the minimum is it not a tad misleading to say they are paid more than someone who refuses to work overtime or days off?
It moves away from a valid comparison which is why I asked the question earlier whether Network pilots will even get the choice to work overtime.
If they dont even get the choice then no amount of overtime or gross pay figures are going to compensate for a pineapple that size.
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Because an FO in mainline is afforded significantly better benefits and career options than a pilot at Network is. They have the option of a base in nearly every capital city. The chance to fly long haul or short haul. Career opportunities that a network pilot can only dream of. So asking for pay parity isnt a big ask.
At Network Aviation, we're incredibly proud of our West Australian heritage. Based in Perth, we play an important role in connecting communities and industries.We operate seventeen Fokker 100's and thirteen A320’s from Perth Airport, operating over 300 weekly flights to destinations throughout WA and beyond. These flights include Fly-in, Fly-out (FIFO) services for the resources industry, corporate charter, routine or emergency freight, as well as regular airline services on behalf of Qantas.
Our fleet of Dash-8, Q400, 300 and 200 aircraft proudly service regional Australia and connect regional ports with our capital cities.
One of the world’s most experienced airlines, we operate a technically advanced fleet of Airbus (A380, A350 and A330) and Boeing (787 and 737NG) aircraft.As a Second Officer, you'll perform an essential role as part of the Qantas operating crew on our long haul services. Our Second Officers perform critical duties on our A380, A350, A330 and B787-9 aircraft.
Absolute BULLSH1T!!
That was my question which was answered by walesregent.
The reason I ask is that for me if I was negotiating for myself, it makes a difference. It is a 10% variance. The difference between 900 hours over 46 weeks and 1000 hours of 46 weeks, assuming they can roster to use the limit. I am guessing from comments above that duty time is the limiting factor though.