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Old 8th Dec 2023, 22:48
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But are we going to walk away over "management" - I just wanna work and move on. I joined one of them calls n some of the changes arent half bad. a days and base sal are above what i expected.
I feel for all you networks flyers. Imagine sharing the flight deck with people like this. No self respect, no self worth, **** all over your fellow employees because you don't care and " if you don't like it leave" etc.
I Hope for all our sakes people like this are now in the minority.
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Old 8th Dec 2023, 23:20
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I feel for all you networks flyers. Imagine sharing the flight deck with people like this. No self respect, no self worth, **** all over your fellow employees because you don't care and " if you don't like it leave" etc.
I Hope for all our sakes people like this are now in the minority.
I hope for all our sake you keep your opinion about your colleagues to yourself on the flight deck. This person isn’t ****ting on anyone, just saying they see advantages in the proposal. You disagree. So what? You think your opinion trumps someone else’s? Get over yourself.

Anyone who says there’s nothing in the proposal hasn’t read it or doesn’t understand what’s changed. Once you do it becomes a question of is there enough value in it for you to sign off on? That’s the real here.
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Old 9th Dec 2023, 00:25
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Those Tiger crews won some great conditions through PIA, really turned the screws on their company. But what happened in the first significant downturn that came along? Yeah, they shut that operation down. How are those Tiger crews & their great salaries going now?
The great conditions enjoyed by the Tiger guys/girls was not the reason they shut the operation down
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Old 9th Dec 2023, 00:41
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Imagine sharing the flight deck with people like this. No self respect, no self worth, **** all over your fellow employees because you don't care and " if you don't like it leave" etc.
Mate that is spiteful, rough, immature and very negative.
The whole system is geared up to be voted on. If the proposed contract is acceptable to someone and suits their purposes, they should vote yes. If the proposed contract is not suitable or doesn’t suit their purposes, they should vote no. Abusing someone’s character based on their assessment of the contract says a lot more about your character than theirs.
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Old 9th Dec 2023, 00:50
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So you think Im ****ting on people because I dont mind the new EA? - and I have no self respect or worth (wtaf) because I actually read the doc - can see I can get $50K increase, see my family, actually have roster protection, have reassignable period A DAY with limited buffer period (that was my issue before) - what is wrong with that - that's nothing to do with self worth. A very immature and disrespectful response (as others have said to you) cos Ive read the thing and actually think the changes for me personally work. I just wanna be with my fam, AL changes, roster protection is all i want - I get some things I had issues with in this new one - so it works for me.
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Old 9th Dec 2023, 00:53
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If everyone votes based on what they think personally then the system will work as best a system can work. Don’t be pushed to vote no by loud mouths, and don’t vote yes just to rail against them. Vote based on what you as an individual thinks is the best move. Maybe you are ok with it but sense that one more little push will get improvements with little adverse risk, or maybe you sense one more little push is too risky. Totally up to you.
Personally I’d take a break from social media until it is decided.
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Old 9th Dec 2023, 01:00
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From what I’ve witnessed so far is Network trying to go from “zero to hero.” An atrocious EBA, to attempting to match mainline short haul. It’s not going to happen in one hit, or there’s no point in Network existing.
What’s on offer is not a great EBA, but many decent improvements compared to the old. You have to start somewhere and not over reach IMO…
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Old 9th Dec 2023, 01:22
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Originally Posted by FN4567
So you think Im ****ting on people because I dont mind the new EA? - and I have no self respect or worth (wtaf) because I actually read the doc - can see I can get $50K increase, see my family, actually have roster protection, have reassignable period A DAY with limited buffer period (that was my issue before) - what is wrong with that - that's nothing to do with self worth. A very immature and disrespectful response (as others have said to you) cos Ive read the thing and actually think the changes for me personally work. I just wanna be with my fam, AL changes, roster protection is all i want - I get some things I had issues with in this new one - so it works for me.
But the thing is you don't have roster protection, you wont be home more with your family, you are still well below the standard earnings at which your pears - Do what makes you happy and what you think is best, but please don't think this is what the network pilots deserve, and which you can get this round.
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Old 9th Dec 2023, 03:03
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[QUOTE[color=#000000]But the thing is you don't have roster protection, you won't be home more with your family, you are still well below the standard earnings at which your pears - Do what makes you happy and what you think is best, but please don't think this is what the network pilots deserve, and which you can get this round.][/QUOTE]

Could you prove this, please? There are lots of big statements without any facts to back them up. There is plenty of "bro science" and galley talk, nothing of any substance.
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Old 9th Dec 2023, 03:07
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Hmmm have you read it? Sure some things arent in there, but its better than it was the changes show. Ive joined EB / TW calls and the questions are coming in hot - All of which are being answered to what people want. Not saying they are farting rainbows but still a lot in there is some decent stuff. There IS roster protection. and there is more than what peers are getting. AL, ADAYS all the **** I never thought would ever be considered. I refused to read it, actively took PIA - Ive done my own homework and the changes arent what I expected. Anyway, each to their own.
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Old 9th Dec 2023, 03:09
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Originally Posted by [i
Buttscratcher;11552615]DTA and other allowances
Mostly concerned about what's happening next year and subsequent growth.
Hobarts, Brisbane, back of the clock stuff, parking / overnighting at mine sites.....there's no future proofing in the current offering.
I suppose I'd be fine if the flying remained the same as it currently is......but it won't.
They lied in 2016 about no new types, and they are lying now about encroaching on SH routes[/i].
You're clearly in the know. How do you know all of this with such certainty? Do you have contacts in management?
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Old 9th Dec 2023, 03:18
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Just in time for an Intractable Bargaining and Same-Job, Same-Pay test case - phones must surely be ringing off the hook somewhere in the QF malaise
You do realise that "same job - same pay" does not apply in this instance, right? And that Intractable bargaining is an unknown, unproven process with an uncertain outcome that apparently also legislates a 4-year deal once it's done - whether you like the outcome or not?

I'm sure you must know all this stuff; otherwise, you wouldn't be making all the claims.
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From what I’ve witnessed so far is Network trying to go from “zero to hero.” An atrocious EBA, to attempting to match mainline short haul. It’s not going to happen in one hit, or there’s no point in Network existing.
What’s on offer is not a great EBA, but many decent improvements compared to the old. You have to start somewhere and not over reach IMO…
Gets it.
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Old 9th Dec 2023, 04:12
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I remember an airline that used to exit in Australia not so long ago. Everyone used to come on this website and talk about the poor conditions on offer at XYZ, wonder why you’d ever work there when you could earn more money working fewer days at Tiger.

Those Tiger crews won some great conditions through PIA, really turned the screws on their company. But what happened in the first significant downturn that came along? Yeah, they shut that operation down. How are those Tiger crews & their great salaries going now?
Covid… and going bankrupt was not a significant downturn, it was Armageddon. They also shut down the NZ operation, the ATR operation and the WB operations. They didn’t single out Tiger due to the pilot EA cost. They shut it down because the company was on the brink of being bankrupt and they were scaling back to the core operation and jettisoning what they could to survive. As it was, shutting down Tiger didn’t help and it still slid into administration but Tiger wasn’t shut down based upon their EA. They could have been on the Award… it still would have been dissolved.
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Old 9th Dec 2023, 06:34
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How did they end up in administration? Basic economics, because their costs exceeded their revenue. Yes they shut down several other entities as well, for the same reasons. Then they got back to their core business, & a whole bunch of staff took pay cuts, until their margins were sustainable. Many other airlines throughout the world, with a little more cost discipline, managed to survive armageddon.
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Old 9th Dec 2023, 19:47
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Network Pilots are Qantas Pilots.
Until your pay reflects that of Qantas Pilots, VOTE NO!

Know your worth!
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Old 9th Dec 2023, 21:45
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Last time I looked, no one at Network went through Australia's most competitive recruitment process, spent time as an SO, waited 20 years for a command or is on the short haul EA. If you want everything on offer at short haul, why don't you join QF?
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Old 9th Dec 2023, 22:20
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Originally Posted by Swept-Wing
Network Pilots are Qantas Pilots.
Until your pay reflects that of Qantas Pilots, VOTE NO!

Know your worth!
PART A - INTRODUCTION

PART A - INTRODUCTION
  1. 1 Title
    This Agreement shall be known as the Network Aviation Pilots Enterprise Agreement 2016

    (the Agreement).
  2. 2 Parties

    This Agreement covers:
    Network Aviation Pty Limited (ACN: 082 007 350) as Trustee for the Network Trust

    Trading as Network Aviation Australia (the Company); and All pilots employed by the Company.
Nope.
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Old 9th Dec 2023, 23:37
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Originally Posted by Swept-Wing
Network Pilots are Qantas Pilots.
Until your pay reflects that of Qantas Pilots, VOTE NO!

Know your worth!
Exactly!
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Old 10th Dec 2023, 00:07
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Originally Posted by Swept-Wing
Network Pilots are Qantas Pilots.
Until your pay reflects that of Qantas Pilots, VOTE NO!

Know your worth!
Are Jetstar pilots considered Qantas pilots?

What about Alliance?
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