Network Aviation PIA
I Hope for all our sakes people like this are now in the minority.
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I feel for all you networks flyers. Imagine sharing the flight deck with people like this. No self respect, no self worth, **** all over your fellow employees because you don't care and " if you don't like it leave" etc.
I Hope for all our sakes people like this are now in the minority.
I Hope for all our sakes people like this are now in the minority.
Anyone who says there’s nothing in the proposal hasn’t read it or doesn’t understand what’s changed. Once you do it becomes a question of is there enough value in it for you to sign off on? That’s the real here.
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Those Tiger crews won some great conditions through PIA, really turned the screws on their company. But what happened in the first significant downturn that came along? Yeah, they shut that operation down. How are those Tiger crews & their great salaries going now?
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Imagine sharing the flight deck with people like this. No self respect, no self worth, **** all over your fellow employees because you don't care and " if you don't like it leave" etc.
The whole system is geared up to be voted on. If the proposed contract is acceptable to someone and suits their purposes, they should vote yes. If the proposed contract is not suitable or doesn’t suit their purposes, they should vote no. Abusing someone’s character based on their assessment of the contract says a lot more about your character than theirs.
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So you think Im ****ting on people because I dont mind the new EA? - and I have no self respect or worth (wtaf) because I actually read the doc - can see I can get $50K increase, see my family, actually have roster protection, have reassignable period A DAY with limited buffer period (that was my issue before) - what is wrong with that - that's nothing to do with self worth. A very immature and disrespectful response (as others have said to you) cos Ive read the thing and actually think the changes for me personally work. I just wanna be with my fam, AL changes, roster protection is all i want - I get some things I had issues with in this new one - so it works for me.
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If everyone votes based on what they think personally then the system will work as best a system can work. Don’t be pushed to vote no by loud mouths, and don’t vote yes just to rail against them. Vote based on what you as an individual thinks is the best move. Maybe you are ok with it but sense that one more little push will get improvements with little adverse risk, or maybe you sense one more little push is too risky. Totally up to you.
Personally I’d take a break from social media until it is decided.
Personally I’d take a break from social media until it is decided.
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From what I’ve witnessed so far is Network trying to go from “zero to hero.” An atrocious EBA, to attempting to match mainline short haul. It’s not going to happen in one hit, or there’s no point in Network existing.
What’s on offer is not a great EBA, but many decent improvements compared to the old. You have to start somewhere and not over reach IMO…
What’s on offer is not a great EBA, but many decent improvements compared to the old. You have to start somewhere and not over reach IMO…
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So you think Im ****ting on people because I dont mind the new EA? - and I have no self respect or worth (wtaf) because I actually read the doc - can see I can get $50K increase, see my family, actually have roster protection, have reassignable period A DAY with limited buffer period (that was my issue before) - what is wrong with that - that's nothing to do with self worth. A very immature and disrespectful response (as others have said to you) cos Ive read the thing and actually think the changes for me personally work. I just wanna be with my fam, AL changes, roster protection is all i want - I get some things I had issues with in this new one - so it works for me.
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[QUOTE[color=#000000]But the thing is you don't have roster protection, you won't be home more with your family, you are still well below the standard earnings at which your pears - Do what makes you happy and what you think is best, but please don't think this is what the network pilots deserve, and which you can get this round.][/QUOTE]
Could you prove this, please? There are lots of big statements without any facts to back them up. There is plenty of "bro science" and galley talk, nothing of any substance.
Could you prove this, please? There are lots of big statements without any facts to back them up. There is plenty of "bro science" and galley talk, nothing of any substance.
Hmmm have you read it? Sure some things arent in there, but its better than it was the changes show. Ive joined EB / TW calls and the questions are coming in hot - All of which are being answered to what people want. Not saying they are farting rainbows but still a lot in there is some decent stuff. There IS roster protection. and there is more than what peers are getting. AL, ADAYS all the **** I never thought would ever be considered. I refused to read it, actively took PIA - Ive done my own homework and the changes arent what I expected. Anyway, each to their own.
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Originally Posted by [i
Buttscratcher;11552615]DTA and other allowances
Mostly concerned about what's happening next year and subsequent growth.
Hobarts, Brisbane, back of the clock stuff, parking / overnighting at mine sites.....there's no future proofing in the current offering.
I suppose I'd be fine if the flying remained the same as it currently is......but it won't.
They lied in 2016 about no new types, and they are lying now about encroaching on SH routes[/i].
Mostly concerned about what's happening next year and subsequent growth.
Hobarts, Brisbane, back of the clock stuff, parking / overnighting at mine sites.....there's no future proofing in the current offering.
I suppose I'd be fine if the flying remained the same as it currently is......but it won't.
They lied in 2016 about no new types, and they are lying now about encroaching on SH routes[/i].
I'm sure you must know all this stuff; otherwise, you wouldn't be making all the claims.
From what I’ve witnessed so far is Network trying to go from “zero to hero.” An atrocious EBA, to attempting to match mainline short haul. It’s not going to happen in one hit, or there’s no point in Network existing.
What’s on offer is not a great EBA, but many decent improvements compared to the old. You have to start somewhere and not over reach IMO…
What’s on offer is not a great EBA, but many decent improvements compared to the old. You have to start somewhere and not over reach IMO…
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I remember an airline that used to exit in Australia not so long ago. Everyone used to come on this website and talk about the poor conditions on offer at XYZ, wonder why you’d ever work there when you could earn more money working fewer days at Tiger.
Those Tiger crews won some great conditions through PIA, really turned the screws on their company. But what happened in the first significant downturn that came along? Yeah, they shut that operation down. How are those Tiger crews & their great salaries going now?
Those Tiger crews won some great conditions through PIA, really turned the screws on their company. But what happened in the first significant downturn that came along? Yeah, they shut that operation down. How are those Tiger crews & their great salaries going now?
How did they end up in administration? Basic economics, because their costs exceeded their revenue. Yes they shut down several other entities as well, for the same reasons. Then they got back to their core business, & a whole bunch of staff took pay cuts, until their margins were sustainable. Many other airlines throughout the world, with a little more cost discipline, managed to survive armageddon.
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Network Pilots are Qantas Pilots.
Until your pay reflects that of Qantas Pilots, VOTE NO!
Know your worth!
Until your pay reflects that of Qantas Pilots, VOTE NO!
Know your worth!
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Last time I looked, no one at Network went through Australia's most competitive recruitment process, spent time as an SO, waited 20 years for a command or is on the short haul EA. If you want everything on offer at short haul, why don't you join QF?
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PART A - INTRODUCTION
PART A - INTRODUCTION
PART A - INTRODUCTION
- 1 Title
This Agreement shall be known as the Network Aviation Pilots Enterprise Agreement 2016
(the Agreement). - 2 Parties
This Agreement covers:
Network Aviation Pty Limited (ACN: 082 007 350) as Trustee for the Network Trust
Trading as Network Aviation Australia (the Company); and All pilots employed by the Company.
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