Network Aviation PIA
Current 5 year captain A320 approximately 206k
Proposed 10 year captain (I don’t have the document in front of me so don’t bite my head off if I’m out by a bit) 246k at commencement. Add on FIFO allowance for 253k approx.
47k pay rise.
Did I read the document incorrectly?
For the yes voters, just remember, on what they just offered you, an a320 captain will still earn less than a 737 FO. And that’s on their expired SH EBA. It’ll only go up when they come to an agreement.
Don’t get lured in by this pathetic FIFO bonus.
The 737 pilots two months ago got paid their bonus. FOs I speak to got about 28k and Captains I’ve heard quoted over 45k.
You ain’t close to being on the same playing field.
Don’t get lured in by this pathetic FIFO bonus.
The 737 pilots two months ago got paid their bonus. FOs I speak to got about 28k and Captains I’ve heard quoted over 45k.
You ain’t close to being on the same playing field.
Ok...in a nutshell,
A319/320 FOs under 3 years will get 146,735 pa
A319/320 Captains over 10 years get 253,845 pa
There is no DTA, and OT is from 59 hours at 94/154 respectively.
There are yearly increment increases.
A319/320 FOs under 3 years will get 146,735 pa
A319/320 Captains over 10 years get 253,845 pa
There is no DTA, and OT is from 59 hours at 94/154 respectively.
There are yearly increment increases.
on what they just offered you, an a320 captain will still earn less than a 737 FO.
I am wondering if the poster comparing the 737 F/O salary to the proposed Capt salary is forgetting the disparity in the hours worked per roster. To help the outsiders like myself understand it would be useful to know the year 1 Captains proposed salary at Network and also how many hours per month a Network Captain can expect to work. A good comparison would be a calculation based on both pilots flying 65 hours because it is a moderate roster and will include incentive pay for both pilots. I guess what I am asking for is the proposed Y1 Capt salary gross earnings if they flew 13 65hour rosters in order to see if there is any truth to the assertion that a 737 f/o would earn more than a Network Captain.
For an outsider these two statements seem incongruous.
I am wondering if the poster comparing the 737 F/O salary to the proposed Capt salary is forgetting the disparity in the hours worked per roster. To help the outsiders like myself understand it would be useful to know the year 1 Captains proposed salary at Network and also how many hours per month a Network Captain can expect to work. A good comparison would be a calculation based on both pilots flying 65 hours because it is a moderate roster and will include incentive pay for both pilots. I guess what I am asking for is the proposed Y1 Capt salary gross earnings if they flew 13 65hour rosters in order to see if there is any truth to the assertion that a 737 f/o would earn more than a Network Captain.
I am wondering if the poster comparing the 737 F/O salary to the proposed Capt salary is forgetting the disparity in the hours worked per roster. To help the outsiders like myself understand it would be useful to know the year 1 Captains proposed salary at Network and also how many hours per month a Network Captain can expect to work. A good comparison would be a calculation based on both pilots flying 65 hours because it is a moderate roster and will include incentive pay for both pilots. I guess what I am asking for is the proposed Y1 Capt salary gross earnings if they flew 13 65hour rosters in order to see if there is any truth to the assertion that a 737 f/o would earn more than a Network Captain.
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As an outsider, those “overtime” rates seem extraordinarily low.
Assuming 28 day rosters, 59 hours a roster minimum, at 253/146k base, there is an implied hourly rate for Captains of $330 and FOs of $191.
Why the hell is any additional flying over 59 hours being offered at anything less than those rates?
This agreement seems to offer less than half the base rate for any additional flying. Am I missing something here?
154/hr and 94/hr for Capts and FOs is an insult.
Assuming 28 day rosters, 59 hours a roster minimum, at 253/146k base, there is an implied hourly rate for Captains of $330 and FOs of $191.
Why the hell is any additional flying over 59 hours being offered at anything less than those rates?
This agreement seems to offer less than half the base rate for any additional flying. Am I missing something here?
154/hr and 94/hr for Capts and FOs is an insult.
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That’s basically semantics
I imaging the original poster wasn’t being too literal when comparing NAA Capt vs QF FO.
an a320 captain will still earn less than a 737 FO.
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It’s not semantics to compare apples with apples. I am behind the Network pilots 100% and trying to build an accurate picture. The reason I chose 65 hrs is because I thought it was ‘moderate’ in that the 737 pilots will be doing more than that and I suspect ( happy to be shown wrong) that the Network pilots will be doing less than the mainline pilots. Comparing a gross salary achieved for the same hours of work is about as reasonable as it gets.
Well this is a conversation that can be distilled into literal facts and figures to some degree so why not do that? People are in the process of making serious decisions and statements like that do have an impact however small. I read the statement that as meaning an a320 Captain will earn less than a 737 FO.
Well this is a conversation that can be distilled into literal facts and figures to some degree so why not do that? People are in the process of making serious decisions and statements like that do have an impact however small. I read the statement that as meaning an a320 Captain will earn less than a 737 FO.
To the 46%, I’d say stop being so eager to kick own goals, back yourself, you might just get somewhere.
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Ok cool, I get what you are saying, I was just trying to nail it down and create some clarity but maybe now is not the time for an outsider to be getting those details. All the people who have voting rights will know and that’s what matters. Have a good one.
As an outsider, those “overtime” rates seem extraordinarily low.
Assuming 28 day rosters, 59 hours a roster minimum, at 253/146k base, there is an implied hourly rate for Captains of $330 and FOs of $191.
Why the hell is any additional flying over 59 hours being offered at anything less than those rates?
This agreement seems to offer less than half the base rate for any additional flying. Am I missing something here?
154/hr and 94/hr for Capts and FOs is an insult.
Assuming 28 day rosters, 59 hours a roster minimum, at 253/146k base, there is an implied hourly rate for Captains of $330 and FOs of $191.
Why the hell is any additional flying over 59 hours being offered at anything less than those rates?
This agreement seems to offer less than half the base rate for any additional flying. Am I missing something here?
154/hr and 94/hr for Capts and FOs is an insult.
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Keep going.
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My mates at JQ indicate they are currently taking home around 190-200k and that was from a level 3. According to them there’s been an enormous amount of day off payments paid the last 12 months, so to achieve those figure they must GIVE UP days off. They don’t get them back, gone.
The new Capt A320 rate NAA tops out at 246 plus 7, or around 252k. You statement is wrong
Are you comparing JQ A320 pub rate to F100 Capt rate possibly? Please explain.
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ddrwk 
You're used to lowering your eyes to read the FMA on takeoff , maybe emulate the JQ agreement.
46% want to grab their cash and hand in their notice - more than 7 A320 drivers just waiting to drop plus more who've got start dates.
How much longer until jets are parked? ( see what I did there
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I'd be throwing the idea the A319s will be going to SH.
You're used to lowering your eyes to read the FMA on takeoff , maybe emulate the JQ agreement.
46% want to grab their cash and hand in their notice - more than 7 A320 drivers just waiting to drop plus more who've got start dates.
How much longer until jets are parked? ( see what I did there
)I'd be throwing the idea the A319s will be going to SH.
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The point is, no narrow body jet Captain should be earning anywhere near another borrow body jet FO. The fact that the comparison (even if not accurate to the dollar) is even being entertained is a sign of how crappy the offer is. Throw in the current pilot supply factor and the complete lack of options available to QF and we’re looking at a deal that fall well short of the mark, and that’s before you consider the rest of the agreement on offer. What lifestyle cost are we willing to absorb in order to achieve a salary we should be getting anyway?
To the 46%, I’d say stop being so eager to kick own goals, back yourself, you might just get somewhere.
To the 46%, I’d say stop being so eager to kick own goals, back yourself, you might just get somewhere.
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Congratulations to the 54% who had some self respect.
$154 or $94/hour is an absolute slap in the face. Didn’t QF make $2.5b profit? The board just tried to give themselves a 40% pay rise.
And they want you to get up at 3am for $94/hr?
Yeah - nah.
$154 or $94/hour is an absolute slap in the face. Didn’t QF make $2.5b profit? The board just tried to give themselves a 40% pay rise.
And they want you to get up at 3am for $94/hr?
Yeah - nah.
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Shandy has a point…
They haven’t threatened you with taking the jets away and giving them to another subsidiary, have they? Like they’ve done with everyone else.
That overtime rate is a disgrace, and as others have said, it’s obvious what will happen to you if you let it slide. The more you work, the cheaper per hour you’ll become for them. It should be the opposite.
Keep going. What, or else they’re going to threaten to give the 319s to RACWA to fly?
They haven’t threatened you with taking the jets away and giving them to another subsidiary, have they? Like they’ve done with everyone else.
That overtime rate is a disgrace, and as others have said, it’s obvious what will happen to you if you let it slide. The more you work, the cheaper per hour you’ll become for them. It should be the opposite.
Keep going. What, or else they’re going to threaten to give the 319s to RACWA to fly?