Network Aviation PIA
Good luck and well done on getting the ball rolling.
Imagine for a second that you are an executive at a large business…..your whole purpose is to minimise expenses and maximise profits. That’s what you get paid to do and that’s what you get judged on. If your large business is an Airline you need to minimise the expense of fuel ( try some smart hedging and comms to pilots about how much they order, create an app that shows pilots where they sit compared to their peers etc),you also need to minimise the expense of labour, ( try divide and conquer, a ‘wages policy’ , dragging out negotiations etc). Just do your best to minimise the cost, but at the end of the day if your hedging was off, or the Saudi’s restrict supply, that doesn’t mean you stop buying fuel, just that it was a tough day at the office. Same same with labour. The execs know exactly how much other industries( healthcare, education, IT etc) are increasing salaries by, they know it’s coming for them too and that it is just a cost of doing business. Just a tough day at the office for them.
Don’t feel too bad for them though, crack into it
Imagine for a second that you are an executive at a large business…..your whole purpose is to minimise expenses and maximise profits. That’s what you get paid to do and that’s what you get judged on. If your large business is an Airline you need to minimise the expense of fuel ( try some smart hedging and comms to pilots about how much they order, create an app that shows pilots where they sit compared to their peers etc),you also need to minimise the expense of labour, ( try divide and conquer, a ‘wages policy’ , dragging out negotiations etc). Just do your best to minimise the cost, but at the end of the day if your hedging was off, or the Saudi’s restrict supply, that doesn’t mean you stop buying fuel, just that it was a tough day at the office. Same same with labour. The execs know exactly how much other industries( healthcare, education, IT etc) are increasing salaries by, they know it’s coming for them too and that it is just a cost of doing business. Just a tough day at the office for them.
Don’t feel too bad for them though, crack into it
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Network flying RPT Perth to Darwin, Broome and soon Hobart and Adelaide is just the beginning.
Don’t for a second think that all of those shiny new A321 NEOs are going to mainline, dangle that carrot in front of the Network crews and they’ll be falling all over themselves to sign any deal.
Between the E190s at Alliance, A220s in QantasLink and A320s at Network, Qantas domestic is slowly being outsourced.
Slice and dice the master plan is coming together perfectly!
Don’t for a second think that all of those shiny new A321 NEOs are going to mainline, dangle that carrot in front of the Network crews and they’ll be falling all over themselves to sign any deal.
Between the E190s at Alliance, A220s in QantasLink and A320s at Network, Qantas domestic is slowly being outsourced.
Slice and dice the master plan is coming together perfectly!
Network flying RPT Perth to Darwin, Broome and soon Hobart and Adelaide is just the beginning.
Don’t for a second think that all of those shiny new A321 NEOs are going to mainline, dangle that carrot in front of the Network crews and they’ll be falling all over themselves to sign any deal.
Between the E190s at Alliance, A220s in QantasLink and A320s at Network, Qantas domestic is slowly being outsourced.
Slice and dice the master plan is coming together perfectly!
Don’t for a second think that all of those shiny new A321 NEOs are going to mainline, dangle that carrot in front of the Network crews and they’ll be falling all over themselves to sign any deal.
Between the E190s at Alliance, A220s in QantasLink and A320s at Network, Qantas domestic is slowly being outsourced.
Slice and dice the master plan is coming together perfectly!
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Network flying RPT Perth to Darwin, Broome and soon Hobart and Adelaide is just the beginning.
Don’t for a second think that all of those shiny new A321 NEOs are going to mainline, dangle that carrot in front of the Network crews and they’ll be falling all over themselves to sign any deal.
Between the E190s at Alliance, A220s in QantasLink and A320s at Network, Qantas domestic is slowly being outsourced.
Slice and dice the master plan is coming together perfectly!
Don’t for a second think that all of those shiny new A321 NEOs are going to mainline, dangle that carrot in front of the Network crews and they’ll be falling all over themselves to sign any deal.
Between the E190s at Alliance, A220s in QantasLink and A320s at Network, Qantas domestic is slowly being outsourced.
Slice and dice the master plan is coming together perfectly!
Good luck to the NWA crews with your PIA. It’s the beginning of the end for managements erosion of Pilot terms and conditions finally.
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Captains saving the day for $500 a day too! Flying a A320!
Break it down less 47 percent for tax bringing it to a total $265, work a 10 hour day (Fixed day off payment) that is $26.50 an hour take home!
Might as well get a job at the local cafe most likely paying cash with zero responsibility.
Break it down less 47 percent for tax bringing it to a total $265, work a 10 hour day (Fixed day off payment) that is $26.50 an hour take home!
Might as well get a job at the local cafe most likely paying cash with zero responsibility.
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Unfortunately I can't see the crewing issues even being a contributing factor to where any more orders go to.
I'd say DECs, a heap of cadets, and dare I say it - mainline pilots parachuted in on secondment (cough JQ and EFA?) will keep the subsidiaries going until the next global calamity.
I've read somewhere in the public domain about orders for the 220 being able to be pushed back if required.
But to the point of the thread goodluck to NAA. Remember plenty of these guys joined a sleepy little charter mob to happily ply the Pilbara on weekday returns and thier old EBA probably reflects thier needs of those days gone.
A good number of them didn't want any RPT flying anymore than they wanted to join the white hat brigade in the first place.
Remember that for anyone inclined to call someone a 'bin chicken'.
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Keep dreaming mate. All the A321’s and a dare say a fair chunk of the A220’s will be going to mainline. Don’t believe it? When the company can’t get pilots to fly them at the subsidiaries, do you think they’re just going to accept their shiny new metal just sitting around parked up? It’s already close to happening, give it a bit longer and it’ll only get worse.
People create in their mind the narrative that best suites their situation, but the reality is that only time will tell.
Best of luck to the Network pilots, I really hope you succeed and you show to the rest of the Qantas group how to put up a fight.
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And Virgin. With negotiations about to get underway, and no doubt a sh1t sandwich being offered initially by Bain, resolute PIA will be a requirement for any future restoration of previous salary and conditions.
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I have my doubts that your group will fight for the future, considering behaviour I’ve seen in other agreements recently, but this would be the most important agreement for the VA Group since the place started. Huge ramifications for the future of that pilot group if a turkey is voted in. Do not cave in for a quick dollar like a few others have done.
Your negotiations should be starting at the old base salary reinstated. If the company doesn’t even want to adhere to that, well then negotiations simply will not continue. Push bloody hard, and don’t forget, the old base salary is just the bread crumbs, much more to be pushed after that bare minimum. I’ll be supporting from the sidelines.
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Best of luck to the Network pilots, I really hope you succeed and you show to the rest of the Qantas group how to put up a fight.
Keep dreaming mate. All the A321’s and a dare say a fair chunk of the A220’s will be going to mainline. Don’t believe it? When the company can’t get pilots to fly them at the subsidiaries, do you think they’re just going to accept their shiny new metal just sitting around parked up? It’s already close to happening, give it a bit longer and it’ll only get worse.
Good luck to the NWA crews with your PIA. It’s the beginning of the end for managements erosion of Pilot terms and conditions finally.
Good luck to the NWA crews with your PIA. It’s the beginning of the end for managements erosion of Pilot terms and conditions finally.
I’ll believe it when it comes to fruition.
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My jab is at the expense of the scabs who are happy to come in for that ridiculous call out fee and those that only recently joined a union.
Id love to know how many pilots there as a percentage are union members and which morons didn’t vote in favour of PIA. It was 3% wasn’t it? Management stooges? Aren’t the votes anonymous?
An upgrade from their previous jobs. However, as far as I know, these guys don’t answer their phones for that pitiful call out. They’re not hours chasing for pennies. And were all AFAP members the day they joined.
My jab is at the expense of the scabs who are happy to come in for that ridiculous call out fee and those that only recently joined a union.
Id love to know how many pilots there as a percentage are union members and which morons didn’t vote in favour of PIA. It was 3% wasn’t it? Management stooges? Aren’t the votes anonymous?
My jab is at the expense of the scabs who are happy to come in for that ridiculous call out fee and those that only recently joined a union.
Id love to know how many pilots there as a percentage are union members and which morons didn’t vote in favour of PIA. It was 3% wasn’t it? Management stooges? Aren’t the votes anonymous?
You can whinge and carry on about Pilots joining and accepting the Network EA all you want but if they want to live in Perth what other options do they have?
Many don’t meet the puppy patting requirements of Coward street and the rest of the companies based in Perth are less secure jobs. Watch the Qantas 737 Pilots scrabble across to Network when they start downsizing the Perth Maggot base. Plenty of Jetstar and NJS Pilots both were on better conditions and both scrabbled across when faced with unemployment or East Coast relocation.
The best thing we can all do is throw our full support behind the NA Pilots.
Many don’t meet the puppy patting requirements of Coward street and the rest of the companies based in Perth are less secure jobs. Watch the Qantas 737 Pilots scrabble across to Network when they start downsizing the Perth Maggot base. Plenty of Jetstar and NJS Pilots both were on better conditions and both scrabbled across when faced with unemployment or East Coast relocation.
The best thing we can all do is throw our full support behind the NA Pilots.
Not complaining here about people accepting NWK conditions just to live in Perth. I just find it ridiculous one NWK pilot bitching about another when in they too choose (for whatever the personal reasons are) to come into work and fly day in day out for a shitty salary, day off or not. What a toxic place to be.
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I've been told its best for all Australian pilots to focus on increasing mainline salaries, even if you arent a mainline pilot, as it will eventually pull up everyones salary.
You can whinge and carry on about Pilots joining and accepting the Network EA all you want but if they want to live in Perth what other options do they have?
Many don’t meet the puppy patting requirements of Coward street and the rest of the companies based in Perth are less secure jobs. Watch the Qantas 737 Pilots scrabble across to Network when they start downsizing the Perth Maggot base. Plenty of Jetstar and NJS Pilots both were on better conditions and both scrabbled across when faced with unemployment or East Coast relocation.
The best thing we can all do is throw our full support behind the NA Pilots.
Many don’t meet the puppy patting requirements of Coward street and the rest of the companies based in Perth are less secure jobs. Watch the Qantas 737 Pilots scrabble across to Network when they start downsizing the Perth Maggot base. Plenty of Jetstar and NJS Pilots both were on better conditions and both scrabbled across when faced with unemployment or East Coast relocation.
The best thing we can all do is throw our full support behind the NA Pilots.
hang on, aren’t you the biggest user of ‘bin chicken’ on this website?
you’re seriously deluded that’s for sure. No 737 pilots will be scrambling to network. QF won’t close a pilot base, OR force people to leave. It costs them too much. More likely they will let the base shrink in size as people leave the fleet.
seriously, you have no idea about anything.
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And then be sure to call everyone in every other subsidiary a bin chicken, even though you voted a B scale into effect to throw new hires under the bus.
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